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Old February 01, 2014, 18:45   #1
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Aussie "Bitch" pistol grip.. is it real or is it memorex?

So I found an odd pistol grip for sale on Ebay from a guy in Australia. It was listed as being a Vietnam era grip. I took a chance and bid on it and won.

We have all seen pics of the "bitch" rifles..



This is what I got:





Here you can see that an allen screw goes up through the bottom of the grip into a threaded stud that has been welded to a piece of tubing:




Next to my Aussie rifle:



Without handguards:



So.. Essentially it looks like the tube slides over the barrel, the handguards are then put on and the allen screw is inserted and screwed on tight from below through the pistol grip.

One issue.. The ID of the tube is perfect for fitting solidly on the OD of the barrel, the kicker is that the ID of the tube is smaller than the OD of the journal around the barrel at the gasblock so you cannot slide it on without removing the gasblock and then turning down the journal behind the gas block.



However, if you went through the trouble of doing this, the pistol grip and tube as shown should make a solid/sturdy connection.

What does the peanut gallery think? Did I possibly score a real "bitch" grip or did I get something that bubba in the outback put together in his shop?

Either way.. I see this becoming the seed for another Aussie.
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Old February 01, 2014, 19:10   #2
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If it was a factory part I don't think the top would be cut for a selector.
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Old February 01, 2014, 19:26   #3
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If it was a factory part I don't think the top would be cut for a selector.
These were all mods done in the field by unit armorers, the grip is a standard as issued L1A1 grip. Plus, look at the 1st pic of an actual rifle from the era..
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Old February 01, 2014, 19:43   #4
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well you got to build a "Bitch" now you have no other choice.do a search for a thread by one of or members down under.I remember he had a thread on the "Bitch"I seem to remember the pg just had two screws in the grip and where just sandwiched between the handguards.not saying that was the only manner the pg was attached but may give you some insight.

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Old February 01, 2014, 21:02   #5
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Does it fit over the gas tube ????
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If it was a factory part I don't think the top would be cut for a selector.
...as the others not this was never something built by Lithgow, all done by enterprising souls in the field using whatever could be "re-purposed" for the task, in this case a used PG I suspect.

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We here use to also use an SLR PG on the front of some MP5s back before rail was popular, think early 80s, some of these arrangements also included a push button to activate the honking big 4 or 4 D cell maglight or streamlight in a mount over the receiver...
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Does it fit over the gas tube ????
Too large of a diameter of tubing, it would just spin around..
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Old February 03, 2014, 11:15   #9
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id bet this was a field mod by an enterprising 'digger' or his armorer. Vietnam saw all sorts of these things, even on m16s etc where they used a standard M16 grip and modded it etc
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It's also possible that it's not complete as in: the tube has yet to be split length wise leaving clearance for the barrel by the "nut" or, clamping plate surface. This would be more stable then a hex nut during assembly of the HGs and Bitch grip plus an increased contact surface of the three parts during firing.

Conection methods seem varied.
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Saw that auction, glad you got it. Looks real deal to me. AND straight from Australia no less.
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I would be more inclined to think the small tube was just used as a fixture for the handgurds to squeeze around. It sits way to low on the profile to have gone around the barrel. It was just a nice piece of "meat" for the handguards to grab onto when they were clam shelled around it.
I would imagine the handguards at a small relief cut on either side so as to accommodate the clearance of the tube itself.

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it would fit over the journal ? then you probably have the prototype, mark II fixed that problem .
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Although the PG is undeniably for an L1A1, I personally think THIS pistol grip does not originate from a SLR 'Bitch' or even intended for one. It may have been someone's backyard experiment to add a pistol grip to perhaps even a civilian rifle. Although I can't confirm for sure but it would make more sense to me to have the pistol grip either affixed directly to or somehow rigged to be sandwiched between the front handguards. This accounts for some pictures showing the pistol grip canted off to one side, having been directly fixed to one of the handguards depending on whether the firer is left or right handed.
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Although the PG is undeniably for an L1A1, I personally think THIS pistol grip does not originate from a SLR 'Bitch' or even intended for one. It may have been someone's backyard experiment to add a pistol grip to perhaps even a civilian rifle. Although I can't confirm for sure but it would make more sense to me to have the pistol grip either affixed directly to or somehow rigged to be sandwiched between the front handguards. This accounts for some pictures showing the pistol grip canted off to one side, having been directly fixed to one of the handguards depending on whether the firer is left or right handed.
I agree with this. Seems more likely a replacement for an Owen SMG or the like.
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Don't the Sten guns use a similar forward grip attached to a section of tubing? The small ID of that one, rules out a L1A1 application.
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yes, the Mk V, but it goes around the larger shroud.
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