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Old October 10, 2018, 21:00   #1
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When a person dies, what's gone?
What changes to make them dead?
Where does that electrical energy go?

Ok, that's three questions. Hard to ask it in just one.
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Old October 10, 2018, 21:08   #2
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Upon death, The vial is broken.
The spirit (animation of the flesh) returns to the ocean it came from.
We become one, again.

We live in a glass upon this earth.
Once that glass is broken beyond repair
We drift like ground water back to where we originated.

Recycling is good.

It is natural.

There is some stuff that needs to be burned in an incinerator though - like the Clinton's and . . .

I ramble.

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In the Greek language the word that means breath also means spirit. They thought the spirit enters the body on the first inhalation and leaves during the final exhale. Who am I to argue with that?

It takes a physical effort to maintain life. If you don't have enough energy remaining to sustain that effort, you die. While nerves use electrical impulses to fire, I'm pretty sure the energy required to sustain life is more chemical than electrical. On the other hand, most chemistry uses the electromagnetic force to work.

Where does the electricity go? Think battery. A battery uses a chemical reaction to produce free electrons. Those electrons return to the other end of the battery where they are absorbed. While nerve cells use a different set of chemicals to produce nerve impulses than what you find in a battery, the free electrons in nerve endings return to a chemical reaction that absorbs them.

Or perhaps your questions were more philosophical than science-y?
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Great response/post!!

"Use it or lose it" comes to mind.

There are way too many within our minds/culture that wish us all to lie down and die for political/personal gain.

"Deplorable/Irredeemable" comes to mind for some strange reason . . .

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When a person dies, what's gone?
What changes to make them dead?
Where does that electrical energy go?

Ok, that's three questions. Hard to ask it in just one.
Folks have been buying insurance on the answer to your questions for generations. The answers may come to you in an after life if you believe in it otherwise you are gone.
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It takes a physical effort to maintain life. If you don't have enough energy remaining to sustain that effort, you die. While nerves use electrical impulses to fire, I'm pretty sure the energy required to sustain life is more chemical than electrical.
I have never seen a better explanation.

Thanks for this gem!!

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Medically speaking, death occurs when breathing and heartbeat ceases. This is also accompanied by loss of consciousness, and all muscle movement, both voluntary and involuntary, ceases.
The brain sends electronic signals to nerves. When these signals are stopped, the body and it's organs cease to function.

The above is a simplified, easy to understand version of the biological process.

I cannot answer re: spiritual or metaphysical aspects.
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What abot the physics and thermodynamics laws?

Energy ,matter cannot be destroyed,but change forms?
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The human body converts chemical energy to electrical energy through a biological process. Upon death, the biological process stops and so does the electrical energy. Just like a car running out of gas...
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Just like a car running out of gas...
Sort of...cars can't make more gas out of seat cushions.
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The human body converts chemical energy to electrical energy through a biological process. Upon death, the biological process stops and so does the electrical energy.
What makes it stop? What is happening to perpetuate the process before it stops? It can't simply disappear, the energy has to go somewhere. What is the difference between live and dead?
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What makes it stop? What is happening to perpetuate the process before it stops? It can't simply disappear, the energy has to go somewhere. What is the difference between live and dead?
Man has been asking these questions since they, first men, met, then grunted at one another.

A wise old sage once commented upon being asked these questions by a young pupil, he said simply, live the life you have today to its fullest, any concerns or questions over the next one will be answered in the proper time and circumstances.

I've always fancied, all that electrical energy, our souls, that which makes us human, goes back into the well and is drawn out when needed for new life.
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I forget the author but some fellow recorded the death of an individual while on a weight scale - at the moment of death there was a loss of 23grams - it was repeated with the same result!
Antoine Bechamp, the founding father of Biochemistry and the arch enemy of Pasteur had his theories and made much of Pasteurs plagiarism of his work. He had a completely original perspective of life and the 'Third Element.' I am about to read up, maybe when I have more time I will comment further - but it's about Microscopes, Pre dark field Microscopy and strange 'things' in the Blood that leave your body when you die!!
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When a person dies, what's gone?
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Where does that electrical energy go?

Ok, that's three questions. Hard to ask it in just one.
I have lost someone very close to me, very suddenly. She was 38 years old and half of my world. What's gone? A whole ******* lot. She is still in my heart, soul and mind. What changes? She stopped breathing on her own. What happened to her energy? It went to a better place then this fucked up world. Where she is now there are no faggots, no socialists and none of the bullshit or pain.

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Rest easy, Sir and remember that love lost but don't regret any of it for a minute.

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I have lost someone very close to me, very suddenly. She was 38 years old and half of my world. What's gone? A whole ******* lot. She is still in my heart, soul and mind. What changes? She stopped breathing on her own. What happened to her energy? It went to a better place then this fucked up world. Where she is now there are no faggots, no socialists and none of the bullshit or pain.
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I am blessed by her daughter. Her spitting image. Thank you yellowhand and Bama Steve. It's been about 5 months since. The pain is softer now but wells up at times.
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I have lost someone very close to me, very suddenly. She was 38 years old and half of my world. What's gone? A whole ******* lot. She is still in my heart, soul and mind. What changes? She stopped breathing on her own. What happened to her energy? It went to a better place then this fucked up world. Where she is now there are no faggots, no socialists and none of the bullshit or pain.
She left you all that energy in the love she gave you and that's what keeps us alive when someone close to us dies. Lost my highschool sweetheart after 40+ years of loving each other. When it happens it's like your heart is torn right out of your body and the grief never ends. Yet all that love she gave me is still there too and it's what I live on.

My wife knew I wanted a dog so bad and couldn't have one because I traveled a lot and worked long brutal hours. When I slowed down she got me Sam and he was just full of love and the best chocolate lab you could ask for. When the wife died people didn't know what to say or do but Sam was there full of love and quiet help in my grief.

I have been up all night with Sam as he is dieing and tomorrow is the first day I can get him in to put him to sleep. It's hard to even explain how it feels to put him down and how much more heartache the world can give you. I tell you the love is worth it and as he looks at me tonight I realize no matter how bad the world can be there is still love out there and we were taught how to love by those we lost.

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She left you all that energy in the love she gave you and that's what keeps us alive when someone close to us dies. Lost my highschool sweetheart after 40+ years of loving each other. When it happens it's like your heart is torn right out of your body and the grief never ends. Yet all that love she gave me is still there too and it's what I live on.

My wife knew I wanted a dog so bad and couldn't have one because I traveled a lot and worked long brutal hours. When I slowed down she got me Sam and he was just full of love and the best chocolate lab you could ask for. When the wife died people didn't know what to say or do but Sam was there full of love and quiet help in my grief.

I have been up all night with Sam as he is dieing and tomorrow is the first day I can get him in to put him to sleep. It's hard to even explain how it feels to put him down and how much more heartache the world can give you. I tell you the love is worth it and as he looks at me tonight I realize no matter how bad the world can be there is still love out there and we were taught how to love by those we lost.

Sorry to burden you guys with my problems
It is no burden. I own my business. It was in a decent part of town until they built section 8. I had a great Doberman. One day I came into my shop and there was blood everywhere and I kid you not a ripped up FUBU Tshirt. The following day the mother......... killed my dog and robbed my tools. That dog was a better animal then all of the ones that live in that section 8 slum. I understand your pain very well. What did I do? I put in cameras and brought my Dobe from home, got two new pups from the same mother and father. Once they matured they got rotated in. Those section 8ers may be smarter than one Dobe but I guarantee they are not smarter then a tandem. Since my SO died, I sold the house. Her shadow was in every corner. Now I got a trifecta at the shop. I love them. I feel your pain. It fades with time and slowly gets replaced by good memories. It doesn't make it any easier though. So very sorry for your loss and you and your buddy are in my prayers.
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Bawana Jim. I'm so sorry brother. Sometimes we all have to lose. It makes winning taste that much sweeter.
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The human body converts chemical energy to electrical energy through a biological process. Upon death, the biological process stops and so does the electrical energy. Just like a car running out of gas...

pretty accurate. the surprising thing is just how much of it can stop functioning before it all ends in what we call death. speaking as a guy with 92% of a brain i have some first hand experience in the matter.

it's all just function, so what matters is not what happens, but what we do.
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[QUOTE=hkshooter;4644471 It can't simply disappear, the energy has to go somewhere. [/QUOTE]



I know this is a thread on spiritual matters, but it is "Matter cannot be created or destroyed". They don't say that about energy as apparently it does not apply to energy.

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I know this is a thread on spiritual matters, but it is "Matter cannot be created or destroyed". They don't say that about energy as apparently it does not apply to energy.

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Well, technically it does apply. Matter can be converted to energy and back. So what they should say is the sum total of matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed.

I'll expound upon this further in another thread.
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I know this is a thread on spiritual matters.....
It may have taken that slant but it was not originally intended to be such. Spiritual or medical notwithstanding, from a purely objective POV I'm very curious and have been for years.

We know when people are dead. We know the mechanics, we know the energy production from matter to heat, from stored to kinetic and what not. Professionals can generally determine when a body is alive and when it isn't. Sometimes it doesn't even take a doctor.
But all we can do is confirm that someone is no longer living, we cannot determine why. Trauma? Destruction of the mechanical unit? Sure. But that living energy, that life, it has to go somewhere. What about an infection or a heart attack? A sickness unbalances the bodies systems and causes it to shut down, or the heart seizes and takes away oxygen from the process of engery conversion. Body dies but does the person? His mind? Experience? Are we cursed to always wonder this thing and never learn the answer? Or is there simply no answer but only a feeling we have that we came from somewhere and therefore have to return?

Some have missed my question and view it from a purely mechanical point of view. There's something more, something we don't know. There's an exact moment that something either occurs or doesn't occur that makes the physical, the mechanical cease to function. In theory as long as there's fuel and a process to convert it into energy living beings shouldn't die. But they do. Why?

I've asked because I'm curious as to what people thought. And though I'd like to know myself the answer to the question, I know there is no answer that men know. That is knowledge that has been withheld from us and we will never know the answer while we breathe air on this planet, in this world, in this physical universe.

Man is predisposed to always wonder where it is that he came from all the while knowing he cannot know the answer. I believe the Bible tells of such knowledge that has been withheld from us, answers to questions we will never know. In that, the question is spiritual in nature. That doesn't change that there is still an answer that I'd love to know. Supernatural or natural, either way, I'd love to know.
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It may have taken that slant but it was not originally intended to be such. Spiritual or medical notwithstanding, from a purely objective POV I'm very curious and have been for years.

We know when people are dead. We know the mechanics, we know the energy production from matter to heat, from stored to kinetic and what not. Professionals can generally determine when a body is alive and when it isn't. Sometimes it doesn't even take a doctor.
But all we can do is confirm that someone is no longer living, we cannot determine why. Trauma? Destruction of the mechanical unit? Sure. But that living energy, that life, it has to go somewhere. What about an infection or a heart attack? A sickness unbalances the bodies systems and causes it to shut down, or the heart seizes and takes away oxygen from the process of engery conversion. Body dies but does the person? His mind? Experience? Are we cursed to always wonder this thing and never learn the answer? Or is there simply no answer but only a feeling we have that we came from somewhere and therefore have to return?

Some have missed my question and view it from a purely mechanical point of view. There's something more, something we don't know. There's an exact moment that something either occurs or doesn't occur that makes the physical, the mechanical cease to function. In theory as long as there's fuel and a process to convert it into energy living beings shouldn't die. But they do. Why?

I've asked because I'm curious as to what people thought. And though I'd like to know myself the answer to the question, I know there is no answer that men know. That is knowledge that has been withheld from us and we will never know the answer while we breathe air on this planet, in this world, in this physical universe.

Man is predisposed to always wonder where it is that he came from all the while knowing he cannot know the answer. I believe the Bible tells of such knowledge that has been withheld from us, answers to questions we will never know. In that, the question is spiritual in nature. That doesn't change that there is still an answer that I'd love to know. Supernatural or natural, either way, I'd love to know.
They, all the questions, are good ones.

We may get to expand what we think we know shortly, or maybe already have?

AI

When we shut our eyes, we can "think", remember, conjure, do things in our minds in the abstract, then do them in reality, love, hate, enjoy, dislike, fear death, love life, feel things, break things, create and destroy, etc.

As you said, all based upon small electrical signals cursing thru our brains and out our nerves to our feet, hands, legs, fingers, eyes, heart, etc.

What happens, when humans create a "being" an AI that can also do all of these actions?

Do "we" become G-D, or like G-ds, are we already there as a species?

"We" can already take life, and also create life, where none existed before, by mixing parts to make a whole.

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