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Old January 20, 2015, 10:58   #1
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Night vision rifle scopes

I am looking to get an education on night vision rifle scopes. There are differences in Gen 1,2 and 3 but what are they? Gen 3 is the most modern and I would image the best of the three types. There is very little information that I can find specially for the price tags these things are carrying. Thermal is way out there price wise, too far out for me.
What I am looking for is a good solid night vision system for coyotes. Ranges out to 500 yards either add on or stand alone.
Links to information would be most helpful.
I have checked out Optics Planet and the like but there is no real useful information.
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Old January 24, 2015, 19:18   #2
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Disclaimer: I am no guru on night vision but I have a few night scopes and some experience.

So there is Gen 1, 1+, 2, 2+, 3, 3+. Basically the higher the generation the more advanced the light intensifier tube it has inside, and the clearer the image you will get. Also, the higher the generation the higher the price, as you have seen. I don't know anything about thermal, I won't even comment.

I started with PVS-7's in the Army and then used PVS-14's a little. The PVS-7's are a helmet mounted unit and can't be put on a weapon. The PVS-14's can either be helmet mounted on put on a weapon. The downsides are: they only have 1x magnification, they have no reticle so you have to mount them behind another optic like an Aimpoint, they are recoil sensitive and work best on AR's (no .308), and they are expensive ($3,000+). Overall, not a good option for me.

Night scopes don't generally have a lot of magnification. For real long range night shooting snipers will mount a high end night optic like a PVS-29 in front of their normal optic. This is another very expensive option I didn't even consider.

When it came time for me to buy night vision I started simple and cheap. I bought a vintage 3.6x Gen 1 Russian NSPU 1PN34. They usually sell for $400-$700. I found it surprisingly effective and ended up buying another. I use them on AK's but hey would also work PSL's or SVD's. If you want to shoot coyotes at 500 meters these may not be good enough. I have only used mine up to 200 meters. It was in the woods though and there wasn't much light at that distance. If you are shooting in open fields you may get longer distances out of the Russian scopes.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381863

Just recently I wanted a night scope to fit on my FAL's and SCAR's. I looked at the PVS-4's which have 3.6x and which you can get in either Gen 2 or Gen 3. Then I found the TVS-5 which have 5.8x (designed for the M2 .50 cal). The TVS-5 is basically a PVS-4 with a HUGE objective lens for gather light at greater distances.

I ended up getting a Gen 2 TVS-5 from NAIT (nvsurplus09 on Ebay) for $1,100, the Gen 3's were too much, like $2,300-$2,500. It is HUGE, too big to move around with, but in a stationary position you might be able to shoot 500 meters. It gathers light up 1,200 meters. I haven't shot with mine yet so you'll have to stand by for an update.

TVS-5 on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gen-2-TVS-5-...item2edc415130

PVS-4 on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AN-PVS-4-Gen...item2c94a92af7

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Old February 08, 2015, 07:53   #3
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Thanks! Great information! Some of these are huge!
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What was the scope nomenclature for the M-60/M-240 medium machine guns? IIRC they had a pretty cool ranging reticle. Didn't get to play with them much since the brass didn't want them getting broke on a FTX. Only saw them during gunnery and usually we weren't even given time for a good zero.

I don't know what generation the tube was on the TVS-5 I used on the .50's but it worked fairly well. It was probably older since that was in the National Guard in the 1990's.
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Thumbs up IMPO, the best Night Vision Scope for the buck is ..

Ok, so I did a lotta digging and researching before pulling trigger, had a friend buy & evaluate Gen 1 as an example and after dust settled, so to speak, the best for the buck and performance-wise is the Sightmark Photon XT 4.6x42S DIGITAL NV Riflescope (with LED, not laser) - boy this one gives me eyes in almost complete darkness (to human eye)! With additional infrared lighting (UNV-20IR, which by the way, you can build yourself for much-much less - google it) I can easily see beyond 250 yards. Not that I intend to shoot at that distance with that little of magnification especially at night. For less than $500 you get the performance of like Gen 2+ if not Gen 3! Read reviews, watch YouTube and see if you like what you see. I'm one happy hunter! Bagged many, many hogs. Also, Digital NV can be used at day time unlike regular NVs - big plus for me. Tips: use rechargeable batteries which last much longer than regular AAs - they last for hours, the whole evening hunt with on&off. If you do use additional lighting then set it a bit away from the optics as it tends to blind it a bit. Flash Suppressor matters much for NV - pick one that gets rid off the flash, otherwise your NV will go blind for a few precious seconds if you do follow up shots.
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Ok, so I did a lotta digging and researching before pulling trigger, had a friend buy & evaluate Gen 1 as an example and after dust settled, so to speak, the best for the buck and performance-wise is the Sightmark Photon XT 4.6x42S DIGITAL NV Riflescope (with LED, not laser) - boy this one gives me eyes in almost complete darkness (to human eye)! With additional infrared lighting (UNV-20IR, which by the way, you can build yourself for much-much less - google it) I can easily see beyond 250 yards. Not that I intend to shoot at that distance with that little of magnification especially at night. For less than $500 you get the performance of like Gen 2+ if not Gen 3! Read reviews, watch YouTube and see if you like what you see. I'm one happy hunter! Bagged many, many hogs. Also, Digital NV can be used at day time unlike regular NVs - big plus for me. Tips: use rechargeable batteries which last much longer than regular AAs - they last for hours, the whole evening hunt with on&off. If you do use additional lighting then set it a bit away from the optics as it tends to blind it a bit. Flash Suppressor matters much for NV - pick one that gets rid off the flash, otherwise your NV will go blind for a few precious seconds if you do follow up shots.
So if your friend bought a Gen 1 NV to compare how do you know that your Sightmark is equivalent to Gen 2+ to Gen 3?

I like to save $$ also so just asking. Thanks.
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What was the scope nomenclature for the M-60/M-240 medium machine guns? IIRC they had a pretty cool ranging reticle. Didn't get to play with them much since the brass didn't want them getting broke on a FTX. Only saw them during gunnery and usually we weren't even given time for a good zero.

I don't know what generation the tube was on the TVS-5 I used on the .50's but it worked fairly well. It was probably older since that was in the National Guard in the 1990's.
Was is the pvs-17 at that time?
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Ok, so I did a lotta digging and researching before pulling trigger, had a friend buy & evaluate Gen 1 as an example and after dust settled, so to speak, the best for the buck and performance-wise is the Sightmark Photon XT 4.6x42S DIGITAL NV Riflescope (with LED, not laser) - boy this one gives me eyes in almost complete darkness (to human eye)! With additional infrared lighting (UNV-20IR, which by the way, you can build yourself for much-much less - google it) I can easily see beyond 250 yards. Not that I intend to shoot at that distance with that little of magnification especially at night. For less than $500 you get the performance of like Gen 2+ if not Gen 3! Read reviews, watch YouTube and see if you like what you see. I'm one happy hunter! Bagged many, many hogs. Also, Digital NV can be used at day time unlike regular NVs - big plus for me. Tips: use rechargeable batteries which last much longer than regular AAs - they last for hours, the whole evening hunt with on&off. If you do use additional lighting then set it a bit away from the optics as it tends to blind it a bit. Flash Suppressor matters much for NV - pick one that gets rid off the flash, otherwise your NV will go blind for a few precious seconds if you do follow up shots.

Is it shock proof? have you used it on a FAL? Is it waterproof?
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I'm no expert, but I went into the armed forces in 1968 and have some considerable experience with Vietnam-period equipment. I have 3 night vision scopes - 2 x AN/PVS-2A and 1 X Zeiss Ferro Z51. My two US scopes were 1990's rebuilds (from Gov't contractor) and give a very good sight picture when properly focused. Although they are a little "heavy" they work well and are very rugged. The Zeiss is US Property marked and is brand new, but I don't think the performance is much different than the US Starlight scopes. The AN/PVS-2 scopes cost me about $500 each - but came with M14 and M16 mounts. The Zeiss comes with 3 different kinds of mounts for various HK weapons. I found an AN/PVS-1 rail that fits the Zeiss so it mounts on the US M16 and M14 brackets.
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Those PVS-4's are a pretty good price on Ebay. Rebuilt GEN 2. These are built to take the recoil of an M2.

Kinda big - built like a brick latrine and almost as shock proof.
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Bug- Thanks,

But I was refering to the digital model described in the post. I already have a BIG gen 2 Ziess for my Izzie HB. and gen three pvs14 helmet mounted. for me and another comming next month for a son. I was thinking of the digital as a dedicated patrol NV scope. IF it would handle the recoil, of a FAL.
I just can't bring myself to go to an ar for that reason alone-Mabey when I'm a really old lady -
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But I was refering to the digital model described in the post. I already have a BIG gen 2 Ziess for my Izzie HB. and gen three pvs14 helmet mounted. for me and another comming next month for a son. I was thinking of the digital as a dedicated patrol NV scope. IF it would handle the recoil, of a FAL.
I just can't bring myself to go to an ar for that reason alone-Mabey when I'm a really old lady -
If stealth is needed the 'hunting' digital is useless without an IR torch. So far
the only thing that will 'see' in near total darkness are intensifier based systems.
There are some digital sensors coming but they won't be cheep. I got a quote
to build prototype 'see in the dark' cmos sensor, it was about 2.5 million
and it would take 18 months (even though they already built them for other
customers) wtf?
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I was thinking of the digital as a dedicated patrol NV scope. IF it would handle the recoil, of a FAL.
I have used the Pulsar N750 & the Photon XT digital NV & both will handle up to 50bmg no problem.
You will need to run a better external IR but that's a cheap add on.



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Problem with some of the Gen 3 stuff is it can't handle the recoil of a .308. My Ferro was big and heavy (but not as big and heavy as the ELTRO!). Excellent value.

I'm thinking of a dedicated night vision scope for my bolt action with silencer. My buddy bought a Raptor and is happy (TNVC). For anything else, it's just a helmet mount PVS-14, with a .7mw IR OTAL for targeting.
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So if your friend bought a Gen 1 NV to compare how do you know that your Sightmark is equivalent to Gen 2+ to Gen 3?

I like to save $$ also so just asking. Thanks.
Sorry, for late response, I suppose I got lost in the woods. ehh, I had to note in my original post that I haven't, to my recollection, tried Gen 2+ nor 3rd myself, but I've read enough and watched videoclips that give me an idea what these "new" digital sights could be compared to performance-wise. I love my Sightmark digital NV which feeds me when the game comes around and to update my review of it, here're some negatives about it I've found: at times the sight will turn off after a shot, especially it seems with a higher power/grain ammo; the battery indicator is not actual, that is, if I start using an additional external to the sight infrared torch, the battery level indicator drops down significantly which is, of course, bs - it perceives that additional lighting as internal use of the battery. Sightmark has got to fix that, it's a bit annoying to see the battery level almost depleted when it's not. Another small (not a deal-braker, by any chance) issue is a lens cap that tends to open after a few shots - it matters only if you are shooting at a daytime. Not a con, but I also wish it had more magnification power. As far as how waterproof it is, imo, it does not like to get wet: I had to return the 1st one because the screen went red after (maybe) I went hunting in the rain. There you go. Since then my buddy who had the same scope got another version of it with better magnification and laser-torch (which gives grainy image, imo), but it does cost $200 more for not much improvement. Hope this helps someone.
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For anything else, it's just a helmet mount PVS-14, with a .7mw IR OTAL for targeting.
This^^^^

I've been looking into them lately as well, and after reading that most don't hold up well to recoil, I think I'm angling towards head/helmet mount NV. That will also allow use with multiple firearms. Just add your IR light to whatever gun you pick.
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I am looking to get an education on night vision rifle scopes. There are differences in Gen 1,2 and 3 but what are they? Gen 3 is the most modern and I would image the best of the three types. There is very little information that I can find specially for the price tags these things are carrying. Thermal is way out there price wise, too far out for me.
What I am looking for is a good solid night vision system for coyotes. Ranges out to 500 yards either add on or stand alone.
Links to information would be most helpful.
I have checked out Optics Planet and the like but there is no real useful information.
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Here are night vision scopes of latest 3rd generation atncorp.com/thermal-scope-thor-hd , I think the biggest difference hides in Obsidian thermal core, smaller size and lighter weight (very ergonomic devices).
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I'm still curious about the recoil tolerance of these sights.

Seems like Thermal might be for detection, which would be better handheld in my not-at-all-expert opinion.
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I'm still curious about the recoil tolerance of these sights.

Seems like Thermal might be for detection, which would be better handheld in my not-at-all-expert opinion.
My opinion...

Folks tend to chat about the latest and greatest in NVDs in these conversations
That shit is insane money.
I have ran everything from a WWII Nazi Vampir to Korean War US M3s forward.

Early shit was all "active", meaning infared lit
upside you don't need any light
downside is everyone else with a NVD sees you.

Passives came out in the 60s, they magnified ambient light hence the term Starlight scope.
PVS1s were pretty bad however they did incorporate an adjustable recticle
PVS2 were far better but abandoned the adj reticle for a W/E adjustable base. Much of the Canuck and OZ top cover NVD bases were designed for PVS1s which mounted far lower.

The Zeiss Fero is a casacading tube...seriously a good value
another was the early S&W LE starlights. Those coupled custom German Zeiss glass with a superior American made tube. Technically they are Gen1 but perform better than most Gen2. Just be warned they are larger than an ANPVS 4

The 4's are pretty much affordable and can be had in both Gen 2 and 3
Have several Gen 2, one Gen 3. The 3 while much brighter isn't hardly a thousand bucks brighter.

I started playing back in the 90s using 2s vs 3s on 35mm cameras
just not much difference once film was developed.

You want small ?
bunch of Litton 845s out there, Gen 2 optic for the grand range
earlier you had Hyper Minis, much smaller than a 2 or a 4 but bad FOV

Thermals are stupid money for a real one
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I know zilch about NV but am interested in a few scopes gen2+ units for AR's and FAL's

What does everyone think of the Litton MK845 MKII scopes on ebay ? they have 1.5x power and i believe 2.8x power models ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Litton-MK845....c100009.m1982

Seem much smaller than the PVS 4's

I think they are Israeli surplus ?

Or would the 4x power PVS 4 be a better option even if a little bigger ?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/AN-PVS-4-NAI...kAAOSwNuxXZA4B

both are priced basically the same REBURB condition seems the same as well ? "GOOD/CLEAN"


what's battery life on these surp gen2+ units like ? is one more efficient ?

Do they both run on standard AA's ?

Would the "newer" Digital Sightmark Photon XT 4.6x42S (linked to in an above post) for $500, be a superior optic to all the above except maybe in,, possibly,, durability ?
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AN/PVS-4 on the first AR pistol I ever built.

I'm now wishing I had never let that thermal vision scope get away from me, but at 1K It's not an easy choice to make truck payment or rifle scope.
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Damn its HUGE.. what does it weight ?
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Wikipedia says 4 lbs.

I'm without a scale that will measure that range, my puny PM scale only goes up to 2 lbs.

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That 845 looks like the prettier, slimmer sister of the PVS4 but the PVS4 is rated to 50 cal... (like that is a consideration for me..... )
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It also has some magnification where the anpvs14 does not and the anpvs14 will not withstand 308.

I'm thinking of putting this on my DSA riFAL.


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im thinking

1.5x for an AR15 ?
2.8x for an FAL ?



Or would you guy advise the 2.8x versions and skip the 1.5x altogether ?
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Old September 10, 2017, 22:26   #29
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I am thinking this.
http://www.jrhenterprises.com/FLIR-T...3WN9RX0011.htm
FLIR has now hit $2k for 30Hz! I can't see a PVS-14 would be a superior choice with the BOSON cores low power consumption and external bulk power capability. and connection to a PC.
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Falmouth, is that FLIR Thermosight PRO PTS233 made by Sightmark ?



What about the Torrey Pines Logic T12-W thermal red dot ? claim is it can handle 12 gauge recoil

Seems interesting with an MSRP of $400 ,, 30 Hz for $700 ish ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2cz9wDsPTs


Heres an airsoft review of the T12 that actually shows it in some sort of use..:/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5m3SW3no44
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This item is marked as a FLIR Systems product. When the UPC was checked it shows as being Armasight Inc. Far down in the listing it actually says both. Not too sure. This may be one company with a retail name and the other for their commercial development. FLIR has the money to make their products rate higher in my score and they provide software upgrades when they become available. The sensor pitch is smaller than Tory Pines and the front end processor (flip side of chip) is where the work is done and this component has a 10 year warranty. The sensor serves the same purpose as the photo-multiplier on a ‘starlight’ scope so the warranty is an indication of the robust design.

https://www.barcodelookup.com/849815007817

If I could pay $700 and get the optical and digital zoom to put this as a fitting companion to a .308 caliber I surely would! This seems to be the closest design I would consider for the price points. Do not buy 10 Hz. This is too slow for refresh.
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Falmouth ,

Where are you seeing that FLIR sight you are referring to for $700 ?,,

(Or were you referring to the Torry Pines offering for their 30Hz model ?)

If thats the going rate that would be the way to go.
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Old September 12, 2017, 12:32   #33
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Is 30hz the standard refresh rate for thermal vision scopes ?

I hope not, that seems way too slow.
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Problem with some of the Gen 3 stuff is it can't handle the recoil of a .308. My Ferro was big and heavy (but not as big and heavy as the ELTRO!). Excellent value.

I'm thinking of a dedicated night vision scope for my bolt action with silencer. My buddy bought a Raptor and is happy (TNVC). For anything else, it's just a helmet mount PVS-14, with a .7mw IR OTAL for targeting.
Heck, I broke a Z-51 with a 308 ages ago.



Course it was just the dimmer shade, but still.

I have an ATN Th0r 8x I will be testing on a 308 at some point.
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