Bear attack

Bawana jim · September 17, 2018, 14:47

Killed the guide and wounded the hunter.

https://buckrail.com/two-elk-hunters...still-missing/

KoKodog · September 17, 2018, 15:23

in bear country a gun in your pack is nearly useless, .44 mag is baseline to start, .45-70 or 12 gauge slugs are better

Black Blade · September 17, 2018, 15:30

Hunted elk in that part of the country. Mostly in the Big Horns to the east and have hunted north of Yellowstone in the Bitterroot and Pintler (Anaconda) ranges. Lot's of Grizz in that country. Always carry my S&W .500 just in case.

**308/223shooter** · September 17, 2018, 15:33

Chubon was able to run to his pack a few yards away and retrieve a pistol but was unable to safely fire a shot at the bear that had pounced upon Uptain. The attacking bear then spun, charged Chubon, grabbed his foot and dragged him to the ground. He sustained injuries to his leg, chest, and arm, but was able to throw the gun to Uptain and get loose before running from the scene to phone for help.

In other words, he left his hunting partner to deal with the bears and dug out. I mean, if he had the gun in his hand, why not shoot the bear in the face instead of tossing it to the other guy, before "running for help" ?

Bawana jim · September 17, 2018, 15:34

Bow hunters so I wonder if they are allowed to carry a handgun on their person when hunting. Couldn't find anything in the regs.

meltblown · September 17, 2018, 15:34

Threw the pistol to the other guy and ran. I guess the ole adage "i don't need to be faster than the bear, just faster than you applies."

Seems like I would have been carrying a holstered .50AE Desert Eagle up in that neck of the woods if a .44 mag is whimpy

Bawana jim · September 17, 2018, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by 308/223shooter

Chubon was able to run to his pack a few yards away and retrieve a pistol but was unable to safely fire a shot at the bear that had pounced upon Uptain. The attacking bear then spun, charged Chubon, grabbed his foot and dragged him to the ground. He sustained injuries to his leg, chest, and arm, but was able to throw the gun to Uptain and get loose before running from the scene to phone for help.

In other words, he left his hunting partner to deal with the bears and dug out. I mean, if he had the gun in his hand, why not shoot the bear in the face instead of tossing it to the other guy, before "running for help" ?

Was the gun even loaded

easttex · September 17, 2018, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by meltblown

Threw the pistol to the other guy and ran. I guess the ole adage "i don't need to be faster than the bear, just faster than you applies."

Seems like I would have been carrying a holstered .50AE Desert Eagle up in that neck of the woods if a .44 mag is whimpy

Desert Eagle .50 is a heavy cannon. This would be my drug of choice:

I already have a SRH in .44 with 7.5" barrel so it's a cartridge and revolver I'd be familiar with.

meltblown · September 17, 2018, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by easttex

Desert Eagle .50 is a heavy cannon. This would be my drug of choice:

I already have a SRH in .44 with 7.5" barrel so it's a cartridge and revolver I'd be familiar with.

I guess burst a couple of eardrums is better than being et up by a bear.

I know a guy that has a snubby 44 mag for his car gun. A flash bang to both parties

easttex · September 17, 2018, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by meltblown

I guess burst a couple of eardrums is better than being et up by a bear.

I know a guy that has a snubby 44 mag for his car gun. A flash bang to both parties

Well brother, sometimes the idea is to deafen them to death if you can't hit 'em!

meltblown · September 17, 2018, 18:50

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Originally Posted by easttex

Well brother, sometimes the idea is to deafen them to death if you can't hit 'em!

Sounds like my AK pistol Just burn them with the flash and miss. They're probably going to run like hell

lew · September 18, 2018, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Bawana jim

Bow hunters so I wonder if they are allowed to carry a handgun on their person when hunting. Couldn't find anything in the regs.

Don't think it's an issue in WY.

**V guy** · September 18, 2018, 12:27

A ******* suicide mission, it was.
Darwins law.

Bear country, and they lost the elk.

What did they think was going to happen overnight? Draw in some mosquitos?..............or bears.

Where was the 45-70 guide gun, or bigger for protection?

Assholes; **** the law when finding a lost elk overnight. Robert Roark said, "use enough gun."

Yesterday at the local post office, a hunter was describing his taking a black bear this past weekend in the Adirondacks; bow hunter too. He hit the bear with 7 arrows, and finally chased him down and ultimately used a 9mm; 10 more shots.

Only a 275lb black bear.

Those 2 bears are still grinning about that delicious meal.
Goddammit, this pisses me off..............incompetency and total foolishness.

John A · September 18, 2018, 16:19

A man was killed last week by a black bear near the smokey mountain national park in Tennessee.

sniperdoc · September 18, 2018, 23:31

Some people don't need to hunt, unless it's on a video game!

**Mebsuta** · September 19, 2018, 04:38

Will a Garand take out a bear?

TenTea · September 19, 2018, 05:17

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Originally Posted by Mebsuta

Will Garand take out a bear?

Yes, John was known to hate bears.
Given half a chance, that bear is toast!

**Mebsuta** · September 19, 2018, 07:01

Okay, I am rethinking taking that Garand out of the laminated stock. I might need it as a counter-Bear weapon in case some stupid liberul project releases bears into the suburbs.

**V guy** · September 19, 2018, 09:35

Years ago, I can remember a bullet ad, maybe Hornady; a record brown bear, (really huge), was taken with a bolt action 30-06, using a 180 or 220 grain bullet.

When a bear has his blood up, and running at you............

If the bear gets the drop on you...........make sure to have a bottle of hot sauce or honey in your jacket pocket, to make the meal hit the spot.

An 5 shot clip in a Garand, might just be very good bear medicine.
5 180's, would give you time to reload another 5 rd clip.

**Mebsuta** · September 19, 2018, 15:18

Is it illegal to shoot the bear with all 8?

**V guy** · September 20, 2018, 11:14

Hunting laws re capacity over 5 rounds.

BAR, Rem 7400, can be had in 30-06. The Remington can be had in 35 Whelen.
Win 95 Lever gun, too.

Lever action. 45-70 guide gun would be first choice, however.

Dave Scoville in Rifle mag a while back, converted a new Browning '95 lever gun, into a wildcat based upon the 9.3 x 62; he hates bears too.

John A · September 20, 2018, 11:41

Hunting laws where I live are 10 rounds.

And the 7400 in 30-06 did have an aftermarket magazine that would do 10+1.

I had one.

Made by Eagle Industries IIRC.

Bawana jim · September 21, 2018, 10:27

Looks like they found an empty can of bear spray....

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/09/bea...#axzz5RkYfJzX2

raubvogel · September 21, 2018, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mebsuta

Will a Garand take out a bear?

They did use them on and bolted to the top of piper cubs in Alaska to shoot them down. There is a picture of one in one of the Grandad's owner association magazine.

With that said, there is a girl who killed a black bear with a .22 rifle

grumpy1 · September 22, 2018, 00:08

I’ve got to hand it to the the hunting guide, at least from what I have read is that he drew the attention of the bears to protect his client. I grew up hunting in the Windriver area of WY and hunted some in the area north of Yellowstone NP as a youth. This is where I learned the value of carrying a handgun as a backup. It also seems these two bears were not interested in the elk that they had taken. When the fish & game cops went looking for the bears the bears charged them & it took five of them to kill the bears. They also located the elk which had not been touched by the bears. This is the reason why WY, ID, and MT all want to hunt Grizzly Bears as there aren’t any grizzly bears in the lower 48 that have ever been hunted by humans. They don’t see us as another apex predator but as prey.

As for carrying a Desert Eagle in 50AE, it is pretty useless. It has too long of a barrel, weights too much, has too big of a grip (unless your Andre the Giant) and the 50AE isn’t all that great of a round. I usually carry a S&W model 19 with a 2.5 barrel loaded with 6 rounds of 180 gr bullets traveling at about 1300 fps or my Glock G20 with 15 rounds of 180 gr bullets at about 1350fps. I carry these because I’ve learned that by the end of the week of hunting I’m looking for anything I can to leave at camp because the weight is taking a toll on me. If I had a short barreled revolver in 44 mag, 45 LC, or 454 Casual, I’d carry one too.

As for carrying a gun while bow hunting, more states in the West are allowing it and most don’t consider a CCW as a hunting tool.

Southern 7.62 · September 22, 2018, 08:24

I used to carry a large can of Bear Spray (pepper spray for bears) and my S&W 500 for defense against grizz when hiking in Montana. The Bear Spray was for the Bear, the S&W 500 was my final defense to kill myself if the Bear Spray didn't work. Lol.

adam762 · October 16, 2018, 12:37

I had a 35 Whelen Garand built for such occasions. One of these days I’ll live in bear country for real, but even here in southern Ohio we are seeing black bear again. If I can devise a way for the Garand to hold and feed more than 4 rounds effectively it will be potent.

Whydah · November 03, 2018, 16:22

Left the house last Monday morning and as I turned a corner headed down the driveway I had four black bears beneath one of my pear trees. A sow and her three half-grown cubs. I figured as much since we have a light acorn crop this fall and something has been cleaning up the fallen pears on all my trees. They took off like a shot once the car came into view. Today was the first day of our early muzzle loader deer season. I take along a .357mag just because.

EinheitElf · November 03, 2018, 22:40

Honestly i think if just for protection from bears and moose ,if in an area where both inhabit, a shotgun with the nastiest slugs possible and 3" ones at that. Shot a few 3" mag slugs from my benelli and holy shit did it punch the shit out of my shoulder and have a visible flash in broad daylight... and gave me a ear to ear grin when i looked at the target..got all 3 holes to touch at 50y ..soo i think it would work.
I would also carry my Desert ego in 44 mag..only big bore i have..

Tazman1602 · November 04, 2018, 04:44

Law or no law I don't go into woods where there are bears without a large caliber handgun....

Art

September 17, 2018, 14:47	#1
Bawana jim Registered FALaholic #: 17482 Join Date: May 2005 Location: west coast Posts: 20,986	Bear attack Killed the guide and wounded the hunter. https://buckrail.com/two-elk-hunters...still-missing/

September 17, 2018, 15:23	#2
KoKodog Registered FALaholic #: 31665 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: on top of a wind swept ridge Posts: 6,148	in bear country a gun in your pack is nearly useless, .44 mag is baseline to start, .45-70 or 12 gauge slugs are better __________________ Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take refuge with those timid spirits that know neither victory, nor defeat. Teddy Roosvelt Pray for peace, but prepare for war. Winston Churchill

September 17, 2018, 15:30	#3
Black Blade Registered FALaholic #: 76490 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Springville/USA Posts: 1,676	Hunted elk in that part of the country. Mostly in the Big Horns to the east and have hunted north of Yellowstone in the Bitterroot and Pintler (Anaconda) ranges. Lot's of Grizz in that country. Always carry my S&W .500 just in case. __________________

September 17, 2018, 15:33	#4
308/223shooter FALaholic Enabler Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Land of moss,mudd and liberal bullshyte. Posts: 7,470	Chubon was able to run to his pack a few yards away and retrieve a pistol but was unable to safely fire a shot at the bear that had pounced upon Uptain. The attacking bear then spun, charged Chubon, grabbed his foot and dragged him to the ground. He sustained injuries to his leg, chest, and arm, but was able to throw the gun to Uptain and get loose before running from the scene to phone for help. In other words, he left his hunting partner to deal with the bears and dug out. I mean, if he had the gun in his hand, why not shoot the bear in the face instead of tossing it to the other guy, before "running for help" ? __________________ What if the Mystery Babalon described in Revelation, which is destroyed by the nations of the North, is actually America? The biggest problem with religion is those who claim to know Jesus, then turn around and deny Him with their lifestyle. That is what a unbelieving world, simply finds unbelievable. Before you die, you should have a will with extra copies. The old saying "No one will screw you faster than family" is bloody well true. Women are dangerous. All warm, soft and cuddly on the outside, and berserker, Ragnarok crazy upstairs in the control room.

September 17, 2018, 15:34	#6
meltblown Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 34604 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SA Tx Posts: 14,949	Threw the pistol to the other guy and ran. I guess the ole adage "i don't need to be faster than the bear, just faster than you applies." Seems like I would have been carrying a holstered .50AE Desert Eagle up in that neck of the woods if a .44 mag is whimpy __________________ Giving people the benefit of the means it’s ok to screw you over. Expect the worst, and you'll never be disappointed. Before trying to beat the odds, make sure you can survive the odds beating you.

September 18, 2018, 12:27	#13
V guy Dinosaur Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 17,430	A ***** suicide mission, it was. Darwins law. Bear country, and they lost the elk. What did they think was going to happen overnight? Draw in some mosquitos?..............or bears. Where was the 45-70 guide gun, or bigger for protection? Assholes; ** the law when finding a lost elk overnight. Robert Roark said, "use enough gun." Yesterday at the local post office, a hunter was describing his taking a black bear this past weekend in the Adirondacks; bow hunter too. He hit the bear with 7 arrows, and finally chased him down and ultimately used a 9mm; 10 more shots. Only a 275lb black bear. Those 2 bears are still grinning about that delicious meal. Goddammit, this pisses me off..............incompetency and total foolishness.

September 18, 2018, 16:19	#14
John A Registered FALaholic #: 73828 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: NOT california Posts: 1,290	A man was killed last week by a black bear near the smokey mountain national park in Tennessee.

September 18, 2018, 23:31	#15
sniperdoc Registered FALaholic #: 80483 Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: TN Posts: 626	Some people don't need to hunt, unless it's on a video game!

September 19, 2018, 04:38	#16
Mebsuta Khemi, Stygia Contributor FALaholic #: 4143 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Khemi, Stygia Posts: 10,774	Will a Garand take out a bear? __________________ Hai

September 19, 2018, 07:01	#18
Mebsuta Khemi, Stygia Contributor FALaholic #: 4143 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Khemi, Stygia Posts: 10,774	Okay, I am rethinking taking that Garand out of the laminated stock. I might need it as a counter-Bear weapon in case some stupid liberul project releases bears into the suburbs. __________________ Hai

September 19, 2018, 09:35	#19
V guy Dinosaur Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 17,430	Years ago, I can remember a bullet ad, maybe Hornady; a record brown bear, (really huge), was taken with a bolt action 30-06, using a 180 or 220 grain bullet. When a bear has his blood up, and running at you............ If the bear gets the drop on you...........make sure to have a bottle of hot sauce or honey in your jacket pocket, to make the meal hit the spot. An 5 shot clip in a Garand, might just be very good bear medicine. 5 180's, would give you time to reload another 5 rd clip.

September 19, 2018, 15:18	#20
Mebsuta Khemi, Stygia Contributor FALaholic #: 4143 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Khemi, Stygia Posts: 10,774	Is it illegal to shoot the bear with all 8? __________________ Hai

September 20, 2018, 11:14	#21
V guy Dinosaur Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 17,430	Hunting laws re capacity over 5 rounds. BAR, Rem 7400, can be had in 30-06. The Remington can be had in 35 Whelen. Win 95 Lever gun, too. Lever action. 45-70 guide gun would be first choice, however. Dave Scoville in Rifle mag a while back, converted a new Browning '95 lever gun, into a wildcat based upon the 9.3 x 62; he hates bears too.

September 20, 2018, 11:41	#22
John A Registered FALaholic #: 73828 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: NOT california Posts: 1,290	Hunting laws where I live are 10 rounds. And the 7400 in 30-06 did have an aftermarket magazine that would do 10+1. I had one. Made by Eagle Industries IIRC.

September 21, 2018, 10:27	#23
Bawana jim Registered FALaholic #: 17482 Join Date: May 2005 Location: west coast Posts: 20,986	Looks like they found an empty can of bear spray.... https://www.ammoland.com/2018/09/bea...#axzz5RkYfJzX2

September 22, 2018, 00:08	#25
grumpy1 Registered FALaholic #: 72190 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: ut Posts: 594	I’ve got to hand it to the the hunting guide, at least from what I have read is that he drew the attention of the bears to protect his client. I grew up hunting in the Windriver area of WY and hunted some in the area north of Yellowstone NP as a youth. This is where I learned the value of carrying a handgun as a backup. It also seems these two bears were not interested in the elk that they had taken. When the fish & game cops went looking for the bears the bears charged them & it took five of them to kill the bears. They also located the elk which had not been touched by the bears. This is the reason why WY, ID, and MT all want to hunt Grizzly Bears as there aren’t any grizzly bears in the lower 48 that have ever been hunted by humans. They don’t see us as another apex predator but as prey. As for carrying a Desert Eagle in 50AE, it is pretty useless. It has too long of a barrel, weights too much, has too big of a grip (unless your Andre the Giant) and the 50AE isn’t all that great of a round. I usually carry a S&W model 19 with a 2.5 barrel loaded with 6 rounds of 180 gr bullets traveling at about 1300 fps or my Glock G20 with 15 rounds of 180 gr bullets at about 1350fps. I carry these because I’ve learned that by the end of the week of hunting I’m looking for anything I can to leave at camp because the weight is taking a toll on me. If I had a short barreled revolver in 44 mag, 45 LC, or 454 Casual, I’d carry one too. As for carrying a gun while bow hunting, more states in the West are allowing it and most don’t consider a CCW as a hunting tool. Last edited by grumpy1; October 21, 2018 at 20:25.

September 22, 2018, 08:24	#26
Southern 7.62 Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 79321 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Tenna-she Posts: 368	I used to carry a large can of Bear Spray (pepper spray for bears) and my S&W 500 for defense against grizz when hiking in Montana. The Bear Spray was for the Bear, the S&W 500 was my final defense to kill myself if the Bear Spray didn't work. Lol.

October 16, 2018, 12:37	#27
adam762 Registered FALaholic #: 11334 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington Court House, OH Posts: 4,134	I had a 35 Whelen Garand built for such occasions. One of these days I’ll live in bear country for real, but even here in southern Ohio we are seeing black bear again. If I can devise a way for the Garand to hold and feed more than 4 rounds effectively it will be potent. __________________ When is the bleeding going to stop? Charter Member, Knob Creek Book Club

November 03, 2018, 16:22	#28
Whydah Registered FALaholic #: 74237 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mid-Atlantic Region Posts: 1,281	Left the house last Monday morning and as I turned a corner headed down the driveway I had four black bears beneath one of my pear trees. A sow and her three half-grown cubs. I figured as much since we have a light acorn crop this fall and something has been cleaning up the fallen pears on all my trees. They took off like a shot once the car came into view. Today was the first day of our early muzzle loader deer season. I take along a .357mag just because.

November 03, 2018, 22:40	#29
EinheitElf Registered FALaholic #: 21533 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Around here somewhere Posts: 3,625	Honestly i think if just for protection from bears and moose ,if in an area where both inhabit, a shotgun with the nastiest slugs possible and 3" ones at that. Shot a few 3" mag slugs from my benelli and holy shit did it punch the shit out of my shoulder and have a visible flash in broad daylight... and gave me a ear to ear grin when i looked at the target..got all 3 holes to touch at 50y ..soo i think it would work. I would also carry my Desert ego in 44 mag..only big bore i have..

November 04, 2018, 04:44	#30
Tazman1602 Registered FALaholic #: 80461 Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Alanson, Michigan Posts: 74	Law or no law I don't go into woods where there are bears without a large caliber handgun.... Art __________________ ____________________________________________ Pappys Rifle Shop Alanson, Michigan

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