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Old April 17, 2018, 19:08   #1
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Debt as currency

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/04/...-currency-era/

Gold is the currency of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants, but debt is the money of slaves.

—Norm Franz, Money and Wealth in the New Millennium

The article is interesting but the above quote on who uses 'what' as money is telling.
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Old April 17, 2018, 19:44   #2
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I'd rather have tangible any day, as has been said in another thread at least gold and silver can't be taken from you with a computer key stroke.

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Old April 17, 2018, 20:49   #3
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The funny bit is buying gold with fiat paper!
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I've heard "If you borrow a dollar, the bank owns you. If you borrow a million dollars, you own the bank."
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The funny bit is buying gold with fiat paper!
Hell,I have a tough time parting with a bucket of scrap brass or copper for paper fiat. Part of me saying I should be doing the opposite..
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Legally to actually own the gold or silver when bought with fiat there is a process in order to not be subject to confiscation of said PM.

Buying Canadian or any other countries gold or silver coin or bullion would be better imo.

It's the fact that it's been purchased with the debt currency that makes it subject to government taking it.


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Legally to actually own the gold or silver when bought with fiat there is a process in order to not be subject to confiscation of said PM.

Buying Canadian or any other countries gold or silver coin or bullion would be better imo.

It's the fact that it's been purchased with the debt currency that makes it subject to government taking it.
What else could be exchanged other than the fiat currency?
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Barter, labor, futures contracts, other PM,s..

But if you look at it from my pov that cash in its present incarnation has no value behind it as in its only accepted because of the perceived value.

Look at it in actuality it is debt, keeping that in mind it would only be traded for cash money (if you really feel the need to call it money) for a real limited time.

Lawful money to me will always mean gold or silver coin us coin or a other countries money no matter how the government changed things to suit their desires.

As the coinage act fixed the dollar as a specific weight of gold or silver.

When I speak of confiscation that from everything I've read can legally happen if anything is purchased with government fiat currency of any kind.

Title 12 SS 144 addresses demanding lawful money aka non debt currency aka us notes which are not federal Reserve notes.




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I've heard "If you borrow a dollar, the bank owns you. If you borrow a million dollars, you own the bank."
Truer than most folks can appreciate. The situation with China comes to mind. Most folks gnash and wail over the idea of China sitting on tens of trillions of US debt. It apparently doesn't occur to them that China has it all crammed up their ass, literally. And I couldn't think of a better bunch to own it. Because we can easily return China to pre-industrial feudalism by simply devaluing it. Sure we might get our hair mussed but they will, by far, get the worst end of it. They know this too and it helps 'em keep their minds right.
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Truer than most folks can appreciate. The situation with China comes to mind. Most folks gnash and wail over the idea of China sitting on tens of trillions of US debt. It apparently doesn't occur to them that China has it all crammed up their ass, literally. And I couldn't think of a better bunch to own it. Because we can easily return China to pre-industrial feudalism by simply devaluing it. Sure we might get our hair mussed but they will, by far, get the worst end of it. They know this too and it helps 'em keep their minds right.
Seems Trump, unlike many others before him, figured this all out concerning China.

China is far more dependent on USA than USA is dependent on China.
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We designed a commercial blast hardening chamber for a Chinese RR supplier.

When it came time to start the welding,,they lined up about 50 'welders' and handed the first man a piece of colored glass. That first man held the colored glass up to his face and welded a few minutes (until he was blind) then he handed that piece of colored glass off to the next man and proceded to walk to the back of the line to wait his turn again.

All the workers lived and ate on site in a dormitory, never leaving for anything, for fear they would be replaced and not have a job to return to.

Tell me again how crashing and devaluing the dollar would hurt their economy and standard of living more than ours
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We designed a commercial blast hardening chamber for a Chinese RR supplier.

When it came time to start the welding,,they lined up about 50 'welders' and handed the first man a piece of colored glass. That first man held the colored glass up to his face and welded a few minutes (until he was blind) then he handed that piece of colored glass off to the next man and proceded to walk to the back of the line to wait his turn again.

All the workers lived and ate on site in a dormitory, never leaving for anything, for fear they would be replaced and not have a job to return to.

Tell me again how crashing and devaluing the dollar would hurt their economy and standard of living more than ours
Here's how. The guys waiting in line for one of those 'welders' jobs would realize that the way forward no longer included peering through a piece of colored glass given to him by some communist functionary and instead of surface welding pot metal junk and making rubber dog shit for export they'll revolt. Ain't nothing more dangerous than a man who has nothing more to lose, but first he's gotta realize it. Once he does it's game over, and the rat bastards know it. China has the potential to make everyone forget about Germany in the '30s.

All you gotta do is take away the chance of a job. You said it yourself, it's the threat of being replaced that keeps 'em in line. But that's a thing that can only happen once. And once it does it's no longer a factor and all bets are off.
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Here's how. The guys waiting in line for one of those 'welders' jobs would realize that the way forward no longer included peering through a piece of colored glass given to him by some communist functionary and instead of surface welding pot metal junk and making rubber dog shit for export they'll revolt. Ain't nothing more dangerous than a man who has nothing more to lose, but first he's gotta realize it. Once he does it's game over, and the rat bastards know it. China has the potential to make everyone forget about Germany in the '30s.

All you gotta do is take away the chance of a job. You said it yourself, it's the threat of being replaced that keeps 'em in line. But that's a thing that can only happen once. And once it does it's no longer a factor and all bets are off.
I cant say thats beyond possibility,,,but I think it more likely they'd just turn into another NK.
Lets face it, most have been kept on a tight peasant leash for millennium and know no different.
Maybe a greater percentage is less ignorant and more educated today,,,willing to fight or be run down by tanks,,,but you cant fight the Chinese army with rice bowls and chop sticks...
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Here's how. The guys waiting in line for one of those 'welders' jobs would realize that the way forward no longer included peering through a piece of colored glass given to him by some communist functionary and instead of surface welding pot metal junk and making rubber dog shit for export they'll revolt. Ain't nothing more dangerous than a man who has nothing more to lose, but first he's gotta realize it. Once he does it's game over, and the rat bastards know it. China has the potential to make everyone forget about Germany in the '30s.

All you gotta do is take away the chance of a job. You said it yourself, it's the threat of being replaced that keeps 'em in line. But that's a thing that can only happen once. And once it does it's no longer a factor and all bets are off.
All folks got to do, is look at what China fears, AKA, bans!
Free speech
Bibles
Free press
Any and all criticisms of the government
Freedom of movement
Free trade
private firearms
Public gatherings
unfiltered internet
Christian faith

China knows they can fall apart overnight, been that way forever, reason they clamp down on everything and everyone.

Then again,,,,,,,

All folks got to do, is look at what US Democrat's/RINO's fear, AKA, wants to ban!

Free speech
Bibles
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Any and all criticisms of the government
Freedom of movement
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I cant say thats beyond possibility,,,but I think it more likely they'd just turn into another NK.
Lets face it, most have been kept on a tight peasant leash for millennium and know no different.
Maybe a greater percentage is less ignorant and more educated today,,,willing to fight or be run down by tanks,,,but you cant fight the Chinese army with rice bowls and chop sticks...
There's a reason they need to be kept on a tight peasant leash and it's worth noting that some folks don't. Like for example, the Swedes. The Chinese have been ruled by warlords of both the foreign and domestic variety since the beginning of time. Consensual governance takes time to develop and is a very fragile thing at that, and without digressing too much it's worth noting that there are signs it's going off the rails even here.

In any case the problem China's rulers have is how to do you manage the expectations of a billion people who have for the first time taken notice of the relative prosperity of the rest of the world enjoys and who are beginning to realize what has been taken from them over the last centuries? And the answer is very very carefully. This is their dilemma. Too little and they will certainly be dealing with a revolt. Too much and their control will crumble. The last thing China's leadership needs is a domestic economic crisis as it cannot end well for them.
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There's a reason they need to be kept on a tight peasant leash and it's worth noting that some folks don't. Like for example, the Swedes. The Chinese have been ruled by warlords of both the foreign and domestic variety since the beginning of time. Consensual governance takes time to develop and is a very fragile thing at that, and without digressing too much it's worth noting that there are signs it's going off the rails even here.

In any case the problem China's rulers have is how to do you manage the expectations of a billion people who have for the first time taken notice of the relative prosperity of the rest of the world enjoys and who are beginning to realize what has been taken from them over the last centuries? And the answer is very very carefully. This is their dilemma. Too little and they will certainly be dealing with a revolt. Too much and their control will crumble. The last thing China's leadership needs is a domestic economic crisis as it cannot end well for them.
The differences between the Chinese and the USA, are great, but the one thing we can do they can not do, the USA can survive/withstand a MAJOR hit, regardless if its financial, military, whatever, whereas China is extremely fragile, as you pointed out.

Having a population measured in the billions is good for many things, but its also includes many, many, millions of people who would love to see China crumble from its current political experiment.

We have, maybe, 60 million in this country, those that voted for HRC that would love them some socialist/communist type government planted firmly here in the good old USA.

Just a guess, but China has what, 600,000,000 seeking freedoms like we enjoy here, that don't care to be living under anyone's boot heel, at least for a time longer.

60 vs 600 million, I like our chances far better than theirs, theirs being a continued communist/socialist form of governance vs all of us becoming like them.

We can always just DEAL with our malcontents when the time comes.
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We can always just DEAL with our malcontents when the time comes.
Up until now liberty minded folk have mostly just ignored 'em and when that became impossible, moved to friendlier climes where the leftist/statist mentality was not so pervasive. This is becoming harder and harder to do and it has occurred to me that we might have been better off had we just dealt with 'em a long time ago.
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Up until now liberty minded folk have mostly just ignored 'em and when that became impossible, moved to friendlier climes where the leftist/statist mentality was not so pervasive. This is becoming harder and harder to do and it has occurred to me that we might have been better off had we just dealt with 'em a long time ago.
I suspect, actually expect, we will shortly, all over the 2nd amendment.

Every time these ass wipes open their mouths, it shows for all to witness, they could care less about the Constitution/Bill of Rights, and intend to disarm what they see as "malcontents" that being all of us.

Might sound like a good idea over a bowl with their like minded friends, going to be rather interesting when they try and implement their grand ideas.

I suspect for many of them, will be the first time in their little lives, they have ever been told to shut the fug up, speak only when spoken too, and had their snowflake butts simply pounded into the ground.
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Of course debt is a commodity, and has been for centuries.

https://www.investopedia.com/calculator/pvcal.aspx

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I went into debt to buy my house and don't regret it a bit. Some debt can help bring around a better life if you pay it off early. I lived in a duplex paying rent that went up every year and was losing money on rent. Bought a nice house and paid it off in 12 years and lived pretty much debt free since then except I got a heloc that was tax deductible to buy a new truck. Paid it off early too, still have it and took it to idaho looking for a house last week. Truck is an 03 and I am pissed I already have 37k on it 444 miles on 22 gallons of fuel
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We were debt-free for years until my wife thought it a great idea to own rental property. So we went in debt for a duplex. By the time the monthly mortgage was paid, insurance, taxes, HOA, the realtor managing it, we banked about $300. That was better than the interest we received on the $39K we paid down than from the bank it was sitting in. Still, I was uneasy. I tried to explain to her that one HVAC replacement, a new roof, or a number of other maintenance costs would wipe out any profit for a LONG time. She finally agreed and we sold that sucker! Made a bit of a profit, too. Being back debt-free feels pretty good.
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It’s been a decade since the last financial Armageddon. We don’t learn much as a society since we are probably in worse shape now than then. I still remember all the other disasters too.....1980 oil embargo....1982 oil collapse...
The 1982 collapse caused the banking and savings and loan crisis. You couldn’t buy a job back then. It wasn’t until 1993 that things turned around here in the south. I got so used to seeing empty buildings that I was numb to the fact it might someday get better. It took a while before I accepted a return to prosperity. The average millennial will simply live on the couch and snatch food that they didn’t buy.

I believe in tangible assets. Skills and Tools are a standard by which I have survived my entire life. Silver is a good short term backup plan but when you are fighting for something to eat it might not be as simple as some make it out. You certainly would be an instant target in target rich environment.
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Just a point here. Dirivitives started in the 1970s after Nixon took us off the gold standard. Dirivitives are basically debt turned into financial instruments to be bought and sold or traded. There are trillions in dirivitives and we have trillions in debt yet we never have a correction, it seems all the government debts and bank debts never come due.
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Just a point here. Dirivitives started in the 1970s after Nixon took us off the gold standard. Dirivitives are basically debt turned into financial instruments to be bought and sold or traded. There are trillions in dirivitives and we have trillions in debt yet we never have a correction, it seems all the government debts and bank debts never come due.
Money as it is commonly accepted today is basically, no scratch that precisely debt turned into a financial instrument. And probably the most important one of all. Which is to say the coin of the realm, legal tender.

Derivatives do complicate things because they make it difficult to track the impact of additional debt, in fact they can make it difficult to evaluate the solvency of both the issuers and the owners. This is the primary concern around derivatives because there are folks that care about these things. Like the FedRes board of governors for example. And stockholders, customers, basically everyone in fact.

The only point is the thing that's unique about 'em ain't that they're debt although there is that. Then again so is everything else. The problem with derivatives is they render it unaccountable.
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Once they went off the gold standard they could call anything money or debt, Nixon was a tool and hurt this country the worst of any potus in my opinion.
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Once they went off the gold standard they could call anything money or debt, Nixon was a tool and hurt this country the worst of any potus in my opinion.
Well to be fair all Nixon did was acknowledge reality and that has it's upsides. There was never anything close to enough gold to ransom back the federal script that has been issued over the years and it wasn't some sort of secret. Not at thirty five bucks an ounce anyway. But because of Nixon they couldn't pretend anymore. Note that the US had gone off the 'silver standard' during the Johnson administration a few years earlier in 1965 when they began issuing tokens made of pot metal. And this was arguably a bigger sin from a constitutional point of view but in my view all of this is really a bit beside the point. The original sin is not whether or not a currency is 'backed' by a commodity that someone may or may not desire and it's not about whether it's debt money or not, shocking as that may sound to some folks. The original sin is attaching an interest load to the debt, this is the part that makes it impossible to pay down and permanently enslaves the country to the issuers. This is the crux of the issue, the rest to be honest is noise.
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Debt is the goal!

One has to remember the only product a bank has, is debt! Thats all banks require, the bigger the debt, the greater the leverage!
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... and the best way yet found to keep ratcheting up the leverage is to let the debt create even more debt in such a way that it does not create an additional amount of money. Which is exactly what the FedRes, or indeed any debt-based system will do once you attach an interest load.
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Hence removal of the fedres, and any country becomes free from them shackles - many ‘retalitory’ wars are based on that notion - ww2 as example, or Lybia or any country that threaten the globalist bankers.
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Hence removal of the fedres, and any country becomes free from them shackles - many ‘retalitory’ wars are based on that notion - ww2 as example, or Lybia or any country that threaten the globalist bankers.
Well it (removal) is certainly a necessary precondition but it's important to remember that FedRes answers to others too. And yes, it does seem that the ultimate puppetmasters do like their wars, all kinds. Churns the economy on both the destruction and construction ends of things and creates all sorts of opportunities for profit while getting rid of those pesky alpha males. This along with the surplus population who they really don't need anyway.
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Well since the bankers seem to co-opt everything, even education and run it into the ground - why aren’t they held accountable? Because they aren’t recognised as doing anything other than lending money. They simply aren’t answerable to anyone - they refuse to be audited.
I mention education - smart people tend to have less offspring. Educate people(properly) and population will reduce.
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Well since the bankers seem to co-opt everything, even education and run it into the ground - why aren’t they held accountable? Because they aren’t recognised as doing anything other than lending money. They simply aren’t answerable to anyone - they refuse to be audited.
I mention education - smart people tend to have less offspring. Educate people(properly) and population will reduce.
Maybe it's because some debt is choice, personal debt is what you choose to buy on credit. Banks don't force you to borrow but government does force you in debt by printing. You will never get people properly educated when government guarantees school debts, it's corruption at its best.
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Well since the bankers seem to co-opt everything, even education and run it into the ground - why aren’t they held accountable? Because they aren’t recognised as doing anything other than lending money. They simply aren’t answerable to anyone - they refuse to be audited.
I mention education - smart people tend to have less offspring. Educate people(properly) and population will reduce.
They aren't held accountable because, as you say everything has been co-opted. And the very idea of actually taking power back scares the living crap out of folks, even most of 'em right here. Folks like living on the farm and thinking that nice guy who wears the blue jeans and feeds 'em every day is their friend.
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Personal debt may not always be choice - circumstance and the erosion of value plays its part. Ultimately debt is coercion, the ultimate tool of politics.
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Personal debt may not always be choice - circumstance and the erosion of value plays its part. Ultimately debt is coercion, the ultimate tool of politics.
They can create conditions that can drive you to debt if you feel you must have that lifestyle but still you have a choice. I chose to be a debt slave to buy my house but paid it off in 12 years to get out of slavery. Once I paid my house off it was the biggest increase in wealth I had ever had because with no house payment or rent payment the money I earned was mine.

Like I was trying to tell j and he carries it around in every post, some debt is good because with it I built a better life by owning my own house rather than renting.
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Yep, just so.

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They can create conditions that can drive you to debt if you feel you must have that lifestyle but still you have a choice. I chose to be a debt slave to buy my house but paid it off in 12 years to get out of slavery. Once I paid my house off it was the biggest increase in wealth I had ever had because with no house payment or rent payment the money I earned was mine.

Like I was trying to tell j and he carries it around in every post, some debt is good because with it I built a better life by owning my own house rather than renting.
Some debt can be useful, even necessary given the environment we live in. A smart person can figure out how to work it to his advantage. But on the scale of things structural debt has the same effect as putting everyone in shackles and chaining 'em up while leaving a lockpick on the ground. A sharp person will spot it, figure out how to use it and free himself and his pals. But most won't. And consider what sort of world we might live in if folks weren't chained up in the first place, which is basically the effect when you have extracted wealth on a global scale at a rate which corresponds to the increase in productivity of the entire planet over the last hundred years. It's doubtful most folks would need to borrow money at all, and if they did simple deals between friends would probably suffice. We sure as hell wouldn't have much use for things like international banksters and they'd likely be forced into honest habits.
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Some debt can be useful, even necessary given the environment we live in. A smart person can figure out how to work it to his advantage. But on the scale of things structural debt has the same effect as putting everyone in shackles and chaining 'em up while leaving a lockpick on the ground. A sharp person will spot it, figure out how to use it and free himself and his pals. But most won't. And consider what sort of world we might live in if folks weren't chained up in the first place, which is basically the effect when you have extracted wealth on a global scale at a rate which corresponds to the increase in productivity of the entire planet over the last hundred years. It's doubtful most folks would need to borrow money at all, and if they did simple deals between friends would probably suffice. We sure as hell wouldn't have much use for things like international banksters and they'd likely be forced into honest habits.
If I get your point debt serves many purposes for the masters, with your nose to the grindstone your decisions are limited. Freedom would be cruel on the masters as they would lose control and basically inflation is to tighten the screws so few will ever be free. At some point you would think the yoke would be too heavy but a little pay raise seems to make folks content with the burden. I am glad I am out of that world now, life is good.
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If I get your point debt serves many purposes for the masters, with your nose to the grindstone your decisions are limited. Freedom would be cruel on the masters as they would lose control and basically inflation is to tighten the screws so few will ever be free. At some point you would think the yoke would be too heavy but a little pay raise seems to make folks content with the burden. I am glad I am out of that world now, life is good.
Yep, that's the point. It is a tool, damnably powerful one too. And folks do seem to love minutia and they tend to get lost in it, wondering how to manage M1 or M2, tweaking exchange rates rather than asking the big question of why are we allowing banks to lend something they don't own to start with?
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Yep, that's the point. It is a tool, damnably powerful one too. And folks do seem to love minutia and they tend to get lost in it, wondering how to manage M1 or M2, tweaking exchange rates rather than asking the big question of why are we allowing banks to lend something they don't own to start with?
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Yep, that's the point. It is a tool, damnably powerful one too. And folks do seem to love minutia and they tend to get lost in it, wondering how to manage M1 or M2, tweaking exchange rates rather than asking the big question of why are we allowing banks to lend something they don't own to start with?
Education has worked hand in hand with the masters to keep the herd in the debt slave mentality. As long as the slaves accept it then the life goes on. Maybe that is man's fate, he has become the cattle of the banks to be used for a lifetime and butchered in the end so nobody can see what freedom is.
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Yep, that's the point. It is a tool, damnably powerful one too. And folks do seem to love minutia and they tend to get lost in it, wondering how to manage M1 or M2, tweaking exchange rates rather than asking the big question of why are we allowing banks to lend something they don't own to start with?
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Remington just monetized its entire debt....they gave creditors a share in the company.
That, turned debt into cash.
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Remington just monetized its entire debt....they gave creditors a share in the company.
That, turned debt into cash.
Now if they can figure out a way to do that before they owe anything, assign a recurring interest load to the IOUs created in the process, sell them to dumbasses willing to buy and (oh yeah almost forgot) get congress to grant you a monopoly on this scam they can become bankers and get out of the manufacturing business entirely.
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Education has worked hand in hand with the masters to keep the herd in the debt slave mentality. As long as the slaves accept it then the life goes on. Maybe that is man's fate, he has become the cattle of the banks to be used for a lifetime and butchered in the end so nobody can see what freedom is.
To be brutally honest I think a lot of folks like the lot of a debt slave. Life is predictable and they think that nice guy that fills the slop bucket every day really cares about them and would never say, take 'em to the slaughterhouse. They really don't mind that they are looked at as simple farm animals, kept for the exclusive benefit of the keepers. As long as it's a golden cage with cable and beer they're good.
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On one level or another we have all become institutionalized.

We cannot break out of the current paradigm for numerous reasons that the institution has created for us and that we accepted well before we understood the devil's bargain we were entering.

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To be brutally honest I think a lot of folks like the lot of a debt slave. Life is predictable and they think that nice guy that fills the slop bucket every day really cares about them and would never say, take 'em to the slaughterhouse. They really don't mind that they are looked at as simple farm animals, kept for the exclusive benefit of the keepers. As long as it's a golden cage with cable and beer they're good.
Construction life was brutal, I have been there and I can only count on one hand the number of men I know for sure to be honest. For me to be sure of your honesty I would have to hear your fishing stories while you look me in the eye. Give a man a fishing pole and instantly his stories tell you who he is.

Anyway, folks just don't know better. It's why I have such a hatred for educators, they could build the greatest society ever yet waste a lifetime in agendas. Most of our problems could be solved if they taught people how to think instead of what to think.
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