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Old September 15, 2017, 15:58   #1
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Just plain stupid in my opinion

I went to a nearby Long John Silvers for lunch today. While eating my Friday ration of fish I noticed a middle aged man walk in with a holstered handgun on his right hip and next to it was a shiny badge. He walked by my booth and I saw that the badge was one of those "Certified Concealed Weapon" pieces of pot metal that I have seen advertised on some of the gun forums. The pistol looked to be a Glock 26 or 27.

Now this is just my own personal opinion on the subject but I think that it is stupid go around advertising the fact that you are armed. I wonder what would happen if a police officer on or off duty saw that badge next to the gun. He might get the idea that this person is impersonating a police officer and decide to jack up the idiot with the badge and gun.

As I have posted before I do have a Indiana Life Time CHL and carry whenever I leave the house. Concealed and no stupid badge either. Maybe the idiot with the badge and gun was just one of those attention whores I read about from time to time.

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Old September 15, 2017, 16:11   #2
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I agree.

Open carry is a risk, but add a fake badge and it's even worse, with all the anti-cop madness going on in the nation.
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Old September 15, 2017, 16:15   #3
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Maybe the idiot with the badge and gun was just one of those attention whores I read about from time to time.

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Old September 15, 2017, 16:30   #4
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"Certified Concealed Weapon"
I'm unsure if having a gold badge announcing "concealed carry" is an oxymoron or just a regular, everyday moron. Probably both I suspect
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Old September 15, 2017, 19:08   #5
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Sometimes I open carry because I'm busy doing stuff and don't feel like being bothered to cover up. Maybe people will become desensitized over a full growned up citizen carrying a pistol. Or not. I'll do as I please. I don't bother with a tin badge, but not bothered by one either. If a cop loses his shit that's his shortcoming.
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I agree.

Open carry is a risk, but add a fake badge and it's even worse, with all the anti-cop madness going on in the nation.
Not that I would ever a) open carry (unless a rifle at port arms) or b) have a fake badge for concealed carry BUT I would imagine that seeing a badge next to a gun might stop some panicky poo poo head from calling the cops to report "a man carrying a gun". Does the benefit outweigh the risk and general idiocy? No. But I can see where someone may use it as a ploy...
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Old September 15, 2017, 20:22   #7
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Nobody calls the cops if that gun is concealed and, as has been alluded, you just put a big target on your back for a significant segment of society
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Old September 15, 2017, 21:01   #8
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Old September 15, 2017, 21:43   #9
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Old September 15, 2017, 22:47   #10
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Those Concealed Carry badges are about the most idiotic thing I've seen in awhile.
They serve no positive purpose and make the one wearing it look like somebody who's trying to play cop.

As to open or concealed carry, I personally prefer concealed carry, but if somebody chooses to open carry it's their choice.
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Old September 16, 2017, 09:11   #11
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The element of surprise is lost when out in the open. Heck someone can come up behind you and grab your gun if you not on your toes about it. I like the surprise method myself. Cops are shot with their own weapon at times same thing can happen to civilians when carrying out in the open.
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Old September 16, 2017, 12:28   #12
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All these comments me think again about alaska, you can open carry and up there at least can argue that its hard to conceal a 44 or larger caliber handgun and if you did,it would be hard to draw against a grizzlie or pissed off moose

i would almost see carrying a glock or 1911 more out of place unless you live and stay in the towns.. towards the boonies,big guns please...

My desert ego and me would fit right in.....mostly...btw, love shooting that brick
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yep, got my homeless long coat all dirtied up riding in the back of my Jeep, just in case, can hide a ton of crap under that thing and never get a second look from anyone in this country.
add a dirty ball cap, got plenty of those, you become invisible.
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Old September 17, 2017, 15:52   #15
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It amazes me every time I see someone open carrying and the holster is some cheap 5 dollar gun show special. I mean if you are going to show off that you are armed at least have the self respect to have a descent holster and quality pistol.
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Some people will carry just about any old clunker if that is all that they can afford to buy.

Case in point. A neighbor's 22 year old son decided to apply for the state's CHL and got it. He then purchased a beat up looking Chinese Tokarev chambered in 9mm Luger. He carried it in a cheap "chocolate chip" camo nylon holster. I asked him what he was using for a carry load. It was some nasty half corroded Egyptian FMJ that frankly I doubted would even fire. It came with the pistol. I asked if he had shot the Tok to see if it worked okay. The answer was no of course. So I did my good deed for the day. I swapped him some Winchester USA white box 9mm 115 grain FMJ for the Egyptian rounds.

Oh well, if he was happy then I guess that was good enough.

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Old September 17, 2017, 19:25   #17
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Old September 18, 2017, 13:30   #18
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I had a customer that did it. Landscaper. His dovetail was getting robbed at every job he stopped at. I dont know if open carry changed anyone's mind when he got out of the truck but I understood his frustration.

I will say that every time he walked in, all eyes were on him and his giant Uncle Mike's holster. Nothing has ever convinced me that the attention would be worth doing that in public.

I "open carry" on my farm. The deer and squirrels dont seem to mind.
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Yep... badges mean 2 things, "jack" and "$#!+."

I do OC on occasion though. When it's 98 degrees with 100% humidity CC is a pain. That DOES mean, however, a retention holster than someone can't just pull out. Anyone that tries is getting an elbow at best and a switchblade or shot with a bug at worst.

As far as being a target goes though it sounds reasonable, but show me one case where a bad guy chose to try to take out the carrier, rather than just going somewhere else? Generally the OC types have some level of training, and bad guys want a score to be easy. While generally "criminalz iz stoooopid," they mostly are lazy and choose victims as such.
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"They" made a huge thing out of legalizing open carry here in Texas a couple years ago. Many of my friends and acquaintances were elated that they could finally strap a gun on their hip and walk around in public like Billy-Badass. My old local sheriff though, and I agree with him, tactfully came out against open carry for several reasons I felt were valid (many have been named above already). I bought a Glock 43 and easily concealable holster that I can comfortably and easily conceal while wearing shorts in the summer time. Although I can legally carry openly, I do not because I subscribe to the "gray man" belief. Two years out from legalization, I don't see anybody else carrying openly either, other than the police and the occasional security guard. It's like it was a great idea! And it sounded great on paper! And we had to have it! But now that we got it, nobody really makes use of it...

But, if the gentleman the alluded to in the OP's post above with the dime store badge wishes to carry openly and make a target of himself, that is his legal right and may he exercise it to his fullest satisfaction. I just really hope he's prepared to deal with the full weight of the consequences should he ever need to exercise his rights. Some licensees are prepared; however many are not. I'm not sure which end of the spectrum the badge toting members of the tribe fall into.

And so it goes.
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Old September 18, 2017, 16:12   #21
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The biggest upside to open carry law changes is not having to worry about printing or accidentally showing a concealed firearm. Glad all the chatter about that "liability" has blown over.
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I love the handwringers that harp about open carry. Liberty is scary.

I open carry whenever I feel like it. Around here, no gives a shit.
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The element of surprise is lost when out in the open. Heck someone can come up behind you and grab your gun if you not on your toes about it. I like the surprise method myself. Cops are shot with their own weapon at times same thing can happen to civilians when carrying out in the open.
very few people know how retention holsters work or how to get a service belt off. but with the cost of shooting negros as high as it is, it's easier to just avoid the confrontation.
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I don't mind it at all.

While the open carry crew is getting all shot to hell by the bad guy(s) doing bad things this will allow me, the gray man time to draw from concealment and place my shots before exiting stage left.
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I think open carry is a TERRIBLE tactical loss.


But (after years of making fun of them...) I can actually see why someone who would make the poor tactical decision to open carry might not be Ill advised to wear one of those dumb badges.

As someone said.... It'll make it far less likely someone will freak out and call the cops about "a man with a gun"
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As someone said.... It'll make it far less likely someone will freak out and call the cops about "a man with a gun"
When this happens in real America, the cops quickly disregard the complaint.

Buncha nancys around here. Carry how you want and stop trying to give a shit about how others are carrying; it ain't gonna make a damn bit of difference.
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Yep... badges mean 2 things, "jack" and "$#!+."

I do OC on occasion though. When it's 98 degrees with 100% humidity CC is a pain. That DOES mean, however, a retention holster than someone can't just pull out. Anyone that tries is getting an elbow at best and a switchblade or shot with a bug at worst.

As far as being a target goes though it sounds reasonable, but show me one case where a bad guy chose to try to take out the carrier, rather than just going somewhere else? Generally the OC types have some level of training, and bad guys want a score to be easy. While generally "criminalz iz stoooopid," they mostly are lazy and choose victims as such.
I recall a case where two bandits shot a cop, then ran into a Walmart. A man and a women. A CCW guy drew on one of the bandits but was shot and killed by the other who he was not aware of. Not exactly the case you're looking for and I might have some details wrong. But I read about it here. Maybe 3 years ago. Or 4.
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I recall a case where two bandits shot a cop, then ran into a Walmart. A man and a women. A CCW guy drew on one of the bandits but was shot and killed by the other who he was not aware of. Not exactly the case you're looking for and I might have some details wrong. But I read about it here. Maybe 3 years ago. Or 4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings

The CCW failed to identify all the assailants involved and, terribly, it cost him his life.

The incident is valid to the extent that the shooters specifically picked out the officers because they could visually ID them and then ambushed them, killed them, and took their weapons.

Criminals arent necessarily frightened by holstered weapons and condition white carriers. In fact, it might attract them:

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Well, thinking about it, by the numbers, who are we most likely to encounter as an armed assailant?
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Yeah, that's what he was referring to. Statistical analysis. That poster is known for his in depth statistical analysis.
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While hunting or in the field it is open carry. While in town it is concealed carry. Also in town I dress just better than a homeless person. OC in town. Who does the bad guy shoot first? The guy with the gun. I do not want to be the guy shot first.
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Now this is just my own personal opinion on the subject but I think that it is stupid go around advertising the fact that you are armed. I wonder what would happen if a police officer on or off duty saw that badge next to the gun. He might get the idea that this person is impersonating a police officer and decide to jack up the idiot with the badge and gun.

Maybe the idiot with the badge and gun was just one of those attention whores I read about from time to time.

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Why would someone announce to the world that he is an immature jackass with a sidearm to boot? The purpose of a concealed weapon is CONCEALED carry, only to be revealed in extremis.. This jack-off was carrying openly and advertising that he is a "Licensed concealed carrier"??? Playing cop. Those stupid badges make the rest of us look bad, IMO. They also make the wearer a target if things go south... I never carry openly unless Im hunting or in the woods, but that's me... YMMV
This sort of person is exactly the type that shouldnt have a ccw. Maybe he was open-carrying because he doesnt yet have his ccw paperwork.
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As my fellow Houstonian said in his comment above, when it is 98° and 98%, carrying concealed sometimes just sucks too much. I'm not wearing a wool jacket to marginally conceal a real pistol, and going about with no more than my NAA.22 revolver in my back pocket is no longer acceptable.
That said, when I'm wearing my lawyer clothes, i.e. slacks with tucked in dress shirt and tie, I carry my Glock 19 in a Glock made Austrian police holster that sits about mid thigh. 99%+ of the people I pass while out and about don't even see my middle age ass, much less the pistol.
When in normal clothes, either jeans or jean shorts and an untucked polo or similar shirt, said Glock 19 resides IWB, in front of my stomach and indiscernable to all except maybe an experienced Secret Service agent.
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