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SARCO BM59 Type E Garand kit comes to life

I bought this from KOAM who had commissioned this build from James at http://www.cmparmory.com/ and was looking to sell. It was built with one of the Kits Sarco is advertising as a BM 59 kit. Their ad states that it is complete minus receiver and they offer "drawings" to describe the receiver modifications. The Sarco kits have all the indications of being BM 59 E (or BM 59 SL). That is to say they were surplus USGI Garands modified to select fire and to use BM 59 magazines. The gas system is unchanged from the Garand. The Overall length is 1/2" shorter owing to the caliber conversion to 7.62 NATO by chopping off the breach and reaming a new chamber. Consequently the stock, rear handguard, barrel and op rod have to be a 1/2" shorter too.



I have seen this ad in there for years and had never seen or heard of anyone who had done the conversion until now. James at CMP Armory said he has done a few. I remember reading here and there that some of these parts may be left over from old projects by Fed Ord/Sante Fe and Golden State. Other posters mentioned that these kits come from Type E conversions done by Beretta for the Argentine navy. I'm not sure what parts of that jazz are true or not. What is true is that these are very cool rifles.
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I have had a chance to run about 200 rounds through this rifle it and I have to say it runs great and is my current favorite to shoot. The barrel that came with this kit gauges 1 at the muzzle 3 at the throat. It shoots 1 MOA with no problem. The BM59 bolt that came with it did not headspace so this is running with a PB Garand bolt. It takes a little nudge to drop the bolt on the first round but feeds and cycles fine under power. This is probably due to the Garand bolt running in it instead of a BM59 modd'ed one.


Here you can see the biggest changes in the modifications to the Garand receiver. In this case the receiver legs have to be drastically reshaped not only on the inside to allow the mag to pass but too lock into the stock as that relationship is changed from the Garands.

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Here are some shots showing the differences in the inside of the stock.
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Here compared to a USGI postwar birch
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The receiver has been modified to have the BM59 bolt catch hold the bolt back after the last round is fired.

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The barrels are similar to but not identical to the Italian 7.62 conversions that Sarco also sells in that they are 1/2" shorter that a 30-06 barrel. The difference is that the Type E/BM 59 barrels have some contour added in the form of a ramp to ease the op rod along the barrel shoulder. The op rod in the type E kit is the same length as the Italian 7.62 conversion op rod. I tested and they are in fact interchangeable.
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Anyone know what make of barrel this is??
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The brake has 8 ports on the left and 16 ports on the right. I presume this was to control muzzle rise to the right in auto fire. The stubby little break works very well in semi auto and there is very little muzzle rise at all.
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Thanks KOAM. I love this thing.

JR


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Not a problem. Enjoy it. I'm glad you were able to find the compensator.


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The BM59 gas plug in this kit came from a Beretta Garand of mine. Nice looking rifle!


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Wow.
M-14/M1A is definitely cheaper!

The BM-59 modifications to the Garand receiver mean a lot of precison grinding. Machining away ribs on a heat treated receiver is no fun at all.

I'll bet that one cost at least $1,500 in machine shop costs, and likely much more.



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what is the depth of that internal cut? That is where you will find teh killer. Good TiALN coated solid cabide will attach welded material. might have to spot anneal, but not by that much.


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Rotor, if you don't mind me asking, what did that cost you?

$X for the kit, $X for the build, $X for the donor garand... etc?

Thanks

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That thing is very nice. Thank you for posting that.


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Originally posted by FAL GRUNT
Rotor, if you don't mind me asking, what did that cost you?

$X for the kit, $X for the build, $X for the donor garand... etc?

Thanks

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I paid $500 for the kit, $300 for the receiver and $400 for the build, IIRC.



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My rifle is almost exactly like yours. My barrel is marked the same as yours except for the year. Mine is dated 1968. As to the manufacturer, if yours is like mine, it is marked PB(Pietro Beretta)and a drawing number under the rear handguard. Great pics! Thanks!!


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Very nice machine work on that receiver.
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Excellent work! Certainly worth the $400!

Awesome gun for the price. Unique, strangely beautiful, and accurate too!

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That is a really cool rifle man! Please show that stock some love. I would stain it a dark reddish brown with an alcohol dye then put about 4 coats of oil on it.

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quote:
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My rifle is almost exactly like yours. My barrel is marked the same as yours except for the year. Mine is dated 1968. As to the manufacturer, if yours is like mine, it is marked PB(Pietro Beretta)and a drawing number under the rear handguard. Great pics! Thanks!!


My handguard is Beretta too. The barrel MFR code, SIAU, is one I have never seen before. A Beretta sub contractor maybe? Also the barrel (If you look at the breech pic above) has feed ramps timed into the throat. That suggests to me that it is not a converted Garand barrel.

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quote:
Originally posted by Warbirds Custom Guns
Very nice machine work on that receiver.
K.O.A.M. pm sent.



Tim, if you are getting the drawings let me be you guinea pig.

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My barrel is stamped on top(under the handguard) PB and the drawing number. I was thinking that meant that it was made by Beretta? I agree with you that these are not converted Garand barrels. I wish I knew what the SIAU meant. No markings on my handguard.
How is your bolt stop pin(clip latch pin on regular Garand) retained. With the stock cut out for the full auto selector on the original stock, mine would wander forward while firing. My solution was to slightly peen by the head of the pin.



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Parts and stocks are available at reesesurplus.com also brand new PB 7.62 stocks sets are available straight from Italy on gunbroker.


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quote:
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Tim, if you are getting the drawings let me be you guinea pig.
JR

I could if time allowed but, other work has me tied up to my neck right now. Maybe after the 1rst of the year. I thought K.O.A.M. did the work (now I read differently) & I was trying to get info. so I could refer others to him to have it done. Looks like I'll have to pm Moses.


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quote:
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My barrel is stamped on top(under the handguard) PB and the drawing number. I was thinking that meant that it was made by Beretta? I agree with you that these are not converted Garand barrels. I wish I knew what the SIAU meant. No markings on my handguard.
How is your bolt stop pin(clip latch pin on regular Garand) retained. With the stock cut out for the full auto selector on the original stock, mine would wander forward while firing. My solution was to slightly peen by the head of the pin.



Oh! I did not notice the top of the barrel when I had the handguard off. I'll check next time.

My bolt catch pin walks forward too. I was going to try peening it or splice a bit of wood or bedding into that area. I'll try peening first.

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James my partner at CMP Armory (or should I say I am his partner) is the only guy I know offering the conversion.

He has done quite a few now.
I think price for conversion and refinish is $695 now.
There is a lot of work involved!
But if your interested call him to make sure of the price 704 263 5490

Very nice review thanks!


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Those $1500 Reese BM59's are starting to look cheap these days.

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quote:
Originally posted by Womper
My barrel is stamped on top(under the handguard) PB and the drawing number. I was thinking that meant that it was made by Beretta? I agree with you that these are not converted Garand barrels. I wish I knew what the SIAU meant.


I did find out that the barrel markings... SIAU, stands for SocietÃ_ Italiana Acciai Ugine, or the Italian Society of Steel, Ugine. It was founded in 1930 as an Italian subsidiary of the French Ugine S.A.




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Cool....Italian Society of Steel. Would SIAU be the inspector or manufacturer? I would assume them to be the manufacturer if it weren't for the "PB" stamped on top of my barrel.

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Several years ago I bought a bunch of B.A.R. mags with the intent to convert a Garand receiver to accept them. I abandoned the project and sold the mags. I see now that I made the right choice.

Whomever did the machine work on that rifle did a fine job. Congrats on your rifle.


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The angled cut on the op-rod is where the connector on a full auto model hits to actuate.

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quote:
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The angled cut on the op-rod is where the connector on a full auto model hits to actuate.


Here's a better shot.
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Anyone care to explain how that would work.

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Pages 30 and 31 of this manual show cutaways that will give you the feel of how it works. Kinda like an m14...only different.
http://stevespages.com/pdf/beretta_bm59.pdf



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i saw this rifle at cmp when i was dropping off one of my fal kits for a build....looks sweet...nice park job too....


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quote:
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Pages 30 and 31 of this manual show cutaways that will give you the feel of how it works. Kinda like an m14...only different.
http://stevespages.com/pdf/beretta_bm59.pdf



Thanks that's a great download.

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I had James build me 2 of these conversions ,they both work without a hitch !


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I just picked up a couple of BM59 bolts and they both headspaced so I can take the std Beretta M1 bolt out of my Type E. The std bolt took a little nudge to get into battery when dropping the bolt on a fresh mag.

These bolts are USGI Garand bolts converted by Beretta with relief cuts to allow the bolt to better pass through the feed lips of the BM 59 magazine. They have been lightly engraved on the top so you can see that the mods have been done.

These two were once USGI bolts from IHC and SA.
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Here you can see some of the modifications made on the right side.
New SA Garand bolt on top. BM 59 bolt on bottom.
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Here you can see a bottom view of the relief cuts.
BM 59 bolt on left. New SA Garand bolt on right.
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From the front you can really see where Beretta took some meat off.
BM 59 bolt on left. New SA Garand bolt on right.
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Lucky me. It's in and headspaces fine.

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Now what?

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FYI

Reese Surplus has just found some BM59 "E" stocks ($50.00) and rear handguards ($15.00) in their inventory.
If your E stock from Sarco was as bad as mine you may want to grab one of these. The one I got from her was inleted for full auto and was the correct length to lock up nice and tight on the BM59 E. It did not have the side swing rear swivel and will therefore tolerate a Std Garand butt plate. It was a light colored walnut that had been dyed brown. No makers marks but the heel and grip profile is like the other 1/2" short Terni 7.62 Garand stock I have.

If you order one, ask Colleen to double check this measurement on the right side from the full auto cutout to the tip of the stock ( w ferrule removed).

The BM59 is 9 1/2 " from the full auto cutout to the tip of the stock
The BM59 "E" is 9" from the full auto cutout to the tip of the stock

Colleen Reese (309)441-5003 phone
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The BM59 is a nice rifle. Mine isn't a SARCO kit, but a reweld. Here it is next to a Garand.


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