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English Mike
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I never progressed much past 1:72 models but wish I had the skill & patience to do something like this.

Story & more photo's here


Attachment: spitfiremkidg_6.jpg
This has been downloaded 386 time(s).

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My favorite version of my favorite aircraft. Prolly the next best thing to owning a real one! By the way, Mike what's the difference between the MK I and II? Nothing much visually; is the engine in the II bigger?

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I went to see the Spitfire exhibit in the museum in London. Really great display and cool story about the plane. It served England well.

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More powerful version of the Merlin engine, Rotol propeller & some MkII's had cannon armament (MkIIB).

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Wow, that is beautiful.

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the Mk 1 had a 2 blade prop same as the first Hurricane.


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Shouldn't that model have a bulged canopy? I thought the flat early-style canopy went the way of the two-bladed fixed-pitch prop.

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quote:
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EM
the Mk 1 had a 2 blade prop same as the first Hurricane.



The Mk 1 started out with a two-blader, but got the 3 bladed variable pitch prop retrofitted (I believe)

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quote:
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I went to see the Spitfire exhibit in the museum in London. Really great display and cool story about the plane. It served England well.


Got any pictures to post?



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Magnificent. Thank you Mike.

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Beyond words for that


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No doubt the most elegant wing shape of any man-made flyin' machine. The Germans lost that air battle from sheer ugliness.

Anyone know the number of private Spitfires still flying vs. say P-51s?



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Wow, that is really good. Fabric work is amazing, as is the rest of it. The only thing that gives it away as obviously a model is the tires.


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No doubt the most elegant wing shape of any man-made flyin' machine. The Germans lost that air battle from sheer ugliness.

Anyone know the number of private Spitfires still flying vs. say P-51s?



Well theres a whole lot of p51s in the states, with only a small handful of spits. There are actually a bunch more spits in the UK than the states, but not even close to as many p51s as there are in the US.

I know there are 6 flying factory two seat conversion spitfires, and would guess (wildly) at there being 80+ flying in the world, with probably another 30-40 that could be made to fly with the proper time and money.

I love the spitfire. I think it is the most graceful plane ever built. Most planes fly like something made by men, the spitfire flies like something born to fly, like a bird of prey. Heres a little snapshot I took a couple years ago,




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quote:
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. Heres a little snapshot I took a couple years ago,





You flew one?



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quote:
Originally posted by Stoney
EM
the Mk 1 had a 2 blade prop same as the first Hurricane.



Only the very earliest ones; all squadron aircraft had three blade prop's by early 1940.
To start with they were coarse/fine pitch only but those were replaced with Rotol constant speed units.


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quote:
Originally posted by BAS
Shouldn't that model have a bulged canopy? I thought the flat early-style canopy went the way of the two-bladed fixed-pitch prop.

Bjørn



No; the bulged canopy was mostly the MkV & subsequent types - known as the Malcolm hood & introduced in 1941 IIRC.
Same hood was used on the P-51 prior to the bubble canopy on the -D model.

quote:
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Anyone know the number of private Spitfires still flying vs. say P-51s?


Fifty-odd I think: http://www.spitfiresociety.demon.co.uk/flying.htm


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quote:
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You flew one?



He has an in How's the bird coming, OP ???

From memory, about 150 or so flying P51s of all marks, and about 350 all told ( flying, static, stored, etc ), which is I am pretty sure significantly more than the Spit. Many reasons for that , but bottom line, I wish there were thousands more of both of them !!!

The Mustang has always been my personal favorite fighter, but there is no doubt the Spit is just as lovely and elegant as they come. My personal weakness is the Mk VIII and Mk XVI, although an F24 in the driveway would suit me fine, too. Always thought the Hawker Furies were elegant as well, but much less "dainty" !!!!

Jim Beaseley ( local gent ) has a Griffon engined Spit - Mk 18 maybe ??? - which is an awesome a/c and very much different sounding than the Merlin Spits.


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The Merlin engine sings the Song of the Spheres. 'Nuff said.


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Much as I love and appreciate the Merlin, I believe the Allison V1710 to be underappreciated and actually inherently a better design - and if you've ever heard one of the few two stage supercharged Allisons, you'd know that it is fit to sing harmony with the R/R

Besides, most of us colonials think of the Merlin as we hear it in a P51, and while the engine most assuredly has a lovely sound, much of our impression is not exclusively of the engine, but also of some unique airframe sounds that ( IMHO ) add to to music.


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When you are out of T-6/SNJ/Harvards you are out of fighter trainers, can't fly one till you have flew the other.

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quote:
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He has an in How's the bird coming, OP ???



Not much to say really. Mr. Middleton and his guys are working on it, I'm sure its going to be a long time still though. I haven't even seen it since the accident, honestly not sure that I care to.

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When you are out of T-6/SNJ/Harvards you are out of fighter trainers, can't fly one till you have flew the other.


There are 6 of these bad boys still flying. They make a pretty good trainer. Fully dual instruments and controls from the factory. I THINK there are another one or two non factory two seat conversions, but I can't really remember.




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OP,
How did they accomodate the change in cg for the tandem trainer? Does it handle, take off and landing, substantially different than the single seat versions?
Magnificent works of art. Thanks,
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OP,
Also meant to ask, if solo, front or aft cockpit?
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Not sure what cg stands for other than computer generated, and I don't think thats what you mean since they didn't have computers back then. But for the conversion, the front cockpit was moved forwards about a foot, and the rear cockpit added.

I don't think it handles too much different than a normal mk 9, although I've never flown a single seater, so I couldn't tell ya. I do know that in the front seat, the two seater is actually easier to taxi since you can see a bit better due to being farther forwards. I have been told that with someone in the back seat it takes a bit of forward pressure on the stick to get the tail to come up during takeoff, but other than that, I haven't heard anything.

The forward seat is the one most people would fly in if they flew one solo, although the instructors that used them to train learned to fly solo in the back seat so the students could fly up front.



EDIT: Heres a breif history of that particular plane, which talks about the conversion a little, http://www.jerrybilling.com/Jerry%20Billing%20Spitfire's/History%20of%20Spitfire%20TE308.htm



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cg = center of gravity.

You answered the question by explaining that the cockpit was moved forward.
I'm guessing that soloed from the front, she is probably a bit nose heavy compared to a single seater, but being within cg limits, probably trims out pretty easily. In looking at plans of both single and two seaters, when flown with two she is probably about on the original cg, maybe a bit tail heavy, and again easily trimmed. Just conjecture on my part, but seems logical.

Hey, Stoney, what would it take to lure you here to PA in the spring - put you up for a couple of nights and see about reuniting you with MAAMs "Briefing Time " ??? Open offer..............................


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Thank you Gentlemen.
Not sure, but moving front cockpit forward +- a foot, doesent seem as though it would balance center of gravity change with additon of rear cockpit. I'll bet solo from rear seat would take a fair amount of forward stick to get the tail up, same for wheel landing. Flying big taildraggers is a vanishing art.
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Only the very earliest ones; all squadron aircraft had three blade prop's by early 1940.
To start with they were coarse/fine pitch only but those were replaced with Rotol constant speed units.



Three-bladers fitted as standard from the 78th aircraft produce. (did a quick dive in my bookshelf. hehe)

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quote:
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No; the bulged canopy was mostly the MkV & subsequent types - known as the Malcolm hood & introduced in 1941 IIRC.
Same hood was used on the P-51 prior to the bubble canopy on the -D model.



Actually the bulged canopy started replacing the flat one in 1939. Pilots complained of too little head-room, bashing plexiglass with their noggin'. The Mk.1a I believe.



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That's not the Spit I used to see flying around Ft Collins, CO 10 years ago is it?

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Wow, that is really good. Fabric work is amazing, as is the rest of it. The only thing that gives it away as obviously a model is the tires.




Well theres a whole lot of p51s in the states, with only a small handful of spits. There are actually a bunch more spits in the UK than the states, but not even close to as many p51s as there are in the US.

I know there are 6 flying factory two seat conversion spitfires, and would guess (wildly) at there being 80+ flying in the world, with probably another 30-40 that could be made to fly with the proper time and money.

I love the spitfire. I think it is the most graceful plane ever built. Most planes fly like something made by men, the spitfire flies like something born to fly, like a bird of prey. Heres a little snapshot I took a couple years ago,




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As to CG, Bill greenwood would not take me up as his weight limit is 190# and I'm way over that. As to PA, I'll be at OSH as always.

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quote:
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That's not the Spit I used to see flying around Ft Collins, CO 10 years ago is it?




Possibly. QG Aviation is based out of FT Collins, they specalize in warbird restoration and maintainence, so there have been lots of cool old planes that have been in and out of their shop within the last decade. The spit in my pics has been there plenty though.

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As to CG, Bill greenwood would not take me up as his weight limit is 190# and I'm way over that. As to PA, I'll be at OSH as always.


Thats my old man. The plane in my pics is his.



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quote:
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As to PA, I'll be at OSH as always.


No reason not to do both


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