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dean06919
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I took my resume in last Wednesday to have the career counselor look it over. Her suggestion was to change the wording "Received Honorable Discharge" to something more positive such as "Released after completion of contract." I also included Specialist-E4 on the resume, to which she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

Oh well, probably a good question since I'll probably be interviewed by someone without any military experience.

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Originally posted by dean06919
I took my resume in last Wednesday to have the career counselor look it over. Her suggestion was to change the wording "Received Honorable Discharge" to something more positive such as "Released after completion of contract." I also included Specialist-E4 on the resume, to which she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

Oh well, probably a good question since I'll probably be interviewed by someone without any military experience.

Clueless Idiot.

Tell her you were a specialist in shooting people and blowing things up.

But in an "honorable" way.

Oh, and you might inform her that a fellow Veteran seeing "Released after completion of contract", on a resume, will think you are trying to conceal a Dishonorable or Less Than Honorable Discharge.

Idiot.

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Anyone who matters should know what an honorable discharge and a "specialist" is. If you are interviewing some idiot and they don't know what an honorable discharge is, tell them its a discharge associated with a wet dream about your wife as opposed to the usual wet dream about some slutty bimbo.

Good luck in the job market. It is tough out there, but there are a lot of employers who recognize the hard work and dedication it takes to be in the military and know they can count on you to serve their business well also.

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Anyone who matters should know what an honorable discharge and a "specialist" is.

+1

Typical HR f*@kwit. Wouldn't know s#!t from clay. At the end of the year, her total contribution to society is...... NOTHING!

What an oxygen thief.

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Post #5

....and if I was looking over the CV of an ex-military type person and saw ANYTHING other than "Honorable Discharge", it would be straight to the round file.

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Post #6

I have never served, and I know for sure what Honorable Discharge means, and it sounds Honorable to me.

Even if someone didn't, if they were halfway decent at their job of hiring people, they'd take 30 seconds to google "Honorable discharge" and the very first result would be this wikipedia article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Milit...
d_States

where with 30 seconds of skimming they could find out what Honorable Discharge actually means.

Would you really want to work for a company that employed someone to be in charge of hiring that was too stupid/careless to do that? I wouldn't.

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ok.

i didn't serve in the military. and i also do not know what a specialist is?

does this make me an "oxygen thief"? maybe "i don't matter" since i don't know what it means...

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Changing what you really are to appear as something more broadly acceptable seems to be gaining favor. Ignorance should never be accept as a norm. Piss in her potted plant and send her a bill for plant care,,,, even if it's plastic.

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Post #9

Why do you ask stupid questions for? You want a job or not?
Who do you think prescreen the resumes? Smart people?

Get her word for it and correct that resume. Have another version for smart people you meet in person.

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November 14, 2009 22:02

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I wouldn't change a thing.

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November 14, 2009 22:03

Post #11

quote:
Originally posted by jaykden
ok.

i didn't serve in the military. and i also do not know what a specialist is?

does this make me an "oxygen thief"? maybe "i don't matter" since i don't know what it means...

Not unless you're in HR, where the most useless people get to decide what you're worth.

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November 14, 2009 22:43

Post #12

I did eight years in the Army and went around filling out job applications after my Honorable Discharge. I was called in for a job interview with the Department of Corrections and produced my DD214 as proof of military service. The captain who did the interview wanted to know what a Radio Communications Traffic Analysis Specialist was and what was my speciality.

So I told him in broad terms what I did and that my speciality was the Soviet Military Radio Callsign System. He just looked at me and shook his head. But I got the job anyway.

And so it goes.

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Typically, career counselors don't make much money. This should tell you a lot about the value of their advice.

If they had the world's best advice, would they not be CEOs of corporations instead...?

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quote:
Originally posted by dean06919
I took my resume in last Wednesday to have the career counselor look it over. Her suggestion was to change the wording "Received Honorable Discharge" to something more positive such as "Released after completion of contract." I also included Specialist-E4 on the resume, to which she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

Oh well, probably a good question since I'll probably be interviewed by someone without any military experience.

"I served, you didn't, shut up honey" (she'll appreciate the honey remark, trust me)

She's a counselor, not someone doing the hiring.

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On retirement from the Navy, I was told to adjust my resume to English, that is either corporate or gov't terms. Reveiw your current resume and make is so your high school English teacher would understand it, and get all military "speak" out of it. (If you can't find it in a dictionary, change the words so it can be found.) Conclude it with Military Service: # years, Honorable Discharge. It may come across the desk of a vet who knows what it means.

Best of luck and thanks for your service.

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Wouldn't know s#!t from clay

Hey Hoot, could you change this to SHINOLA since there are people named Clay.
Yeah, I'm one of them and yes I to think it's funny my Momma named me dirt!!!

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Post #17

I've been out for over 12 years and I always put down Honorable.
Never been asked for my dd214.

Is there a better term for Honorable discharge??

Completed my contract without fawking up??

Does Honor not mean anything these days?
I just check the box Honorably discharged and go about my way.

I have not had to submit an application for 9 years so maybe things have changed.

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quote:
Originally posted by tigerfans2

"I served, you didn't, shut up honey" (she'll appreciate the honey remark, trust me)

She's a counselor, not someone doing the hiring.

Don't forget to call her "sugar tits" too.

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November 15, 2009 16:32

Post #19

quote:
Hey Hoot, could you change this to SHINOLA since there are people named Clay. Yeah, I'm one of them and yes I to think it's funny my Momma named me dirt!!!

Doooh! Sorry!

But, I did use little "c". I'm sure she would definitely know s#!t from Clay...

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Post #20

I wouldn't change a thing. If they know about military terms they will understand. If they don't, you can't explain it to them in this lifetime.

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Post #21

I agree with the halfwit that you need to change your resume. Just not the way she wants it changed.

Change "received Honorable Discharge" to "Earned Honorable Discharge" or "Honorably Discharged" or "Honorably Discharged Veteran". While the last one is redundant, the term "veteran" is more generally known and draws more respect.

As far as "specialist-e4" goes, that is nothing more then your rank and grade. You need to actually list the short title of your MOS so the block heads might have an interest in what it actually means and you might get a call back.

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Post #22

Write for your audience. If you expect to send your resume to military types only, then ignore her suggestions. However, if non-military types will see your resume, it might be worth your time to think about her suggestion (even if you don't follow it verbatim). No need to leave non-military folk scratching their heads when a simple parenthetical element can clear up the confusion and perhaps even teach them a little military jargon.

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Post #23

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dean06919 -- she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

dean06919, thanks for your service. Too bad you must deal with idiots such as these. You do not deserve this disrespect but she does'nt know any better. Just a product of our liberal society, she is.

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Post #24

Those who risk all to serve their country are a special breed. You have my sincere thanks for your service to our grand country.

That said, for me, jaykden, and others having never served and perhaps not in the know regarding all military nomenclature, some of the terminology used can be confusing. I know what an honorable discharge is, but I had to google Specialist E-4 to see what that was. It was no problem to find the answer. However, learning that an E-4 is a Specialist Third Class, I can see why a layperson like me might not immediately understand the classification. Why wouldn't an E-4 be a Specialist Fourth Class or a Specialist Third Class be an E-3 instead? No big deal that the classification is what it is, but that doesn't necessarily make understanding it a cakewalk for those like me who didn't serve. It's not unlike any large organization or industry with it's own terminology--it can be somewhat cryptic for outsiders.

And sure, it's no big deal for me to look up the info on google, but the point of a resume isn't to create work for the person looking at yours and 400 other folks' resumes.

I agree that the gal's suggestion about changing the wording for honorable discharge is lame, but I can't fault her for not knowing what an E-4 was. Hope you ex-military folk can give us armchair commandos a bit of a break on this one.

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Post #25

I have a friend who had been recently discharged (yes, honorably..) from the Marine Corp and was interviewing for a job at a restaurant. He said the interview hadn't gone very well and he already knew he wasn't going to get it, and then the girl interviewing him asked him what he did in the Marines. When he responded "infantry," she asked him what job skills he learned from that. I don't think she liked his responsed of "effective ways to kill people."

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November 19, 2009 21:10

Post #26

quote:
Originally posted by Nick H.
Anyone who matters should know what an honorable discharge and a "specialist" is. If you are interviewing some idiot and they don't know what an honorable discharge is, tell them its a discharge associated with a wet dream about your wife as opposed to the usual wet dream about some slutty bimbo.

Good luck in the job market. It is tough out there, but there are a lot of employers who recognize the hard work and dedication it takes to be in the military and know they can count on you to serve their business well also.

Contrary to popular belief (at least here) the fact that one has military experience does not necessarily make one smarter or better qualified for a job than one that does not have military experience. I have had several employees with military experience. Some were outstanding workers. Some were highly intelligent. Some were dumber than rocks. Some just wanted to bitch about every single thing no matter how insignificant. One guy in particular was a great personable guy who would bust his ass all day if you could sit there and watch him and order him around but he was so dumb I don't know how he even got dressed in the morning and you sure as hell couldn't leave him unsupervised for too long.

If you think that everyone that matters will be fluent in all military jargon, I hope you are either applying for a job in the military or a related field, or you are good at flipping burgers.

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Post #27

quote:
Originally posted by doodster

If you think that everyone that matters will be fluent in all military jargon, I hope you are either applying for a job in the military or a related field, or you are good at flipping burgers.

Anyone who matters should know what an Honorable Discharge is or be smart enough to connect the words "honorable" and "discharge" and infer a meaning. I would simply write: "honorably discharged at the rank of Specialist-4," and be done with it.

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Post #28

quote:
Originally posted by doodster

I have had several employees with military experience.

A fellow that calls himself doodster has several employees. Isn't America great?

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Post #29

quote:
Originally posted by tigerfans2

A fellow that calls himself doodster has several employees. Isn't America great?

America is great. So is the internet. Where else can you resort to making fun of someone's name when you have nothing intelligent to say? In the real world you would be laughed at and told to shut up and return to your ditch and continue digging. Thank god for the internet so you can truly speak your mind.

So in the words of Junior - "Hey white boy, that hole ain't gonna dig itself. Get your dick skin on that thing boy dig! We ain't got all day - Dig Dig!

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quote:
Originally posted by doodster

America is great. So is the internet. Where else can you resort to making fun of someone's name when you have nothing intelligent to say? In the real world you would be laughed at and told to shut up and return to your ditch and continue digging. Thank God for the internet so you can truly speak your mind.

So in the words of Junior - "Hey white boy, that hole ain't gonna dig itself. Get your dick skin on that thing boy dig! We ain't got all day - Dig Dig! [/B]

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Post #31

I just remembered a a joke a med student once told me ,, he said he and his class mates classified non-transmissible urethritis strain drip as a non-venereal "honorable discharge".

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Post #32

The latest posts beg the question, is "Doodster" a real name used for legal ID purposes? If it is, then that's one thing. If not, then why get bent out of shape if you chose a tongue-in-cheek user handle and someone finds humor in the pseudonym that you chose?

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That's now TWO threads currently at the top of GNFD where a poster has revealed his "issues".

We obviously need a lot more therapy around here, yes, a lot more therapy.

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quote:
Originally posted by doodster

Contrary to popular belief (at least here) the fact that one has military experience does not necessarily make one smarter or better qualified for a job than one that does not have military experience. I have had several employees with military experience. Some were outstanding workers. Some were highly intelligent. Some were dumber than rocks. Some just wanted to bitch about every single thing no matter how insignificant. One guy in particular was a great personable guy who would bust his ass all day if you could sit there and watch him and order him around but he was so dumb I don't know how he even got dressed in the morning and you sure as hell couldn't leave him unsupervised for too long.

If you think that everyone that matters will be fluent in all military jargon, I hope you are either applying for a job in the military or a related field, or you are good at flipping burgers.

This is probably the wrong board to take cheap shots at vets chief.

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When I retired after 21 years in the Air Force, I built my resume but never referenced my rank or discharge on it. I just put down the time I was in the service and what the job was that I did. I had a second section that listed the specifics of my work experience. I have never been asked for my DD-214 either. In my current job about 60% of the shop are prior service (Mostly Navy)

A resume is just an advertisment of your skills to get you in the door for the interview.

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quote:
Originally posted by Davewusaf
When I retired after 21 years in the Air Force, I built my resume but never referenced my rank or discharge on it. I just put down the time I was in the service and what the job was that I did. I had a second section that listed the specifics of my work experience. I have never been asked for my DD-214 either. In my current job about 60% of the shop are prior service (Mostly Navy)

A resume is just an advertisment of your skills to get you in the door for the interview.

Dave

Spot on. I did the same exact thing. No ruffles and flourishes, just plain english. Worked like it was supposed to - it's simply a ticket to the dance, not a bid for homecoming king.

As a former Marine grunt, I brought zero applicable technical skills to any of my civilian employment positions. However, my current employer stated he has had better overall results from prior service guys (which all of the most recent hires have been) versus MBA holders (none of which work there anymore). I think it has something to do with "knowing what you don't know" versus a "let me tell you what I learned at business school" mentality.

That is obviously NOT a univeral truth. Plenty of MBA guys make better businessmen than old grunts. But, somebody going through a stack of resumes is putting them into 2 piles: call back and don't call back. You just need to be in the call back pile. If the guy (or gal) can't make heads or tales of your Ninja skills rap sheet, guess which pile you are going to be in.
The rest is up to your interview skills.

Let your resume be plain enough that anyone can understand it. Let it be an opportunity for an intelligent employer to ask you questions to which you have intelligent answers. Let him know you have a history of performing as asked and have a willingness to learn. Few people with that attitude have trouble finding work.

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Originally posted by MACV

This is probably the wrong board to take cheap shots at vets chief.

Grow some thicker skin, MACV. It wasn't a cheap shot at vets, it is the truth.

Being in the military doesn't miraculously make a person intelligent, honorable, or worthy of praise. All manner of idiotic, moronic, psychotic, lying, cheating, and lazy people can be found in the military.

If you want to argue with that I have two words for you. Nidal Hassan.

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quote:
Originally posted by Stranger

Grow some thicker skin, MACV. It wasn't a cheap shot at vets, it is the truth.

Being in the military doesn't miraculously make a person intelligent, honorable, or worthy of praise. All manner of idiotic, moronic, psychotic, lying, cheating, and lazy people can be found in the military.

If you want to argue with that I have two words for you. Nidal Hassan.

So what have you done?

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Post #39

Spec 4's have become an overall description of in-between NCO's,
right before Corporal and Sgt. Technically an outdated rank.
Civilians would probably only recognize those two ranks or above. If you say anything else, it falls on deaf ears.

My service has never favored me for a job, unless it was for cleaning.
Or a free sammich on Veterans Day.

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Post #40

quote:
Originally posted by Stranger

Grow some thicker skin, MACV. It wasn't a cheap shot at vets, it is the truth.

Being in the military doesn't miraculously make a person intelligent, honorable, or worthy of praise. All manner of idiotic, moronic, psychotic, lying, cheating, and lazy people can be found in the military.

If you want to argue with that I have two words for you. Nidal Hassan.

My skin is plenty thick. Maybe "doodster" didnt mean it as I took it. I think he did. Dean relayed to us some silly comments from a career councelor and I agree with him. Why would you change the words "Honorable Discharge" to anything else? Why would you list your pay grade as anything other than what it was? Maybe the councelor should learn more about military jargon if he/she is going to be working with vets.

This was a swipe;
"If you think that everyone that matters will be fluent in all military jargon, I hope you are either applying for a job in the military or a related field, or you are good at flipping burgers."

Either way you dont really have a dog in the fight.

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Post #41

quote:
Originally posted by MACV

My skin is plenty thick. Maybe "doodster" didnt mean it as I took it. I think he did. Dean relayed to us some silly comments from a career councelor and I agree with him. Why would you change the words "Honorable Discharge" to anything else? Why would you list your pay grade as anything other than what it was? Maybe the councelor should learn more about military jargon if he/she is going to be working with vets.

This was a swipe;
"If you think that everyone that matters will be fluent in all military jargon, I hope you are either applying for a job in the military or a related field, or you are good at flipping burgers."

Either way you dont really have a dog in the fight.

You think your skin is thick when that "swipe" irritated you?

If I was applying for research position, I would include my publications and include all manner of "jargon" to describe my qualifications. If I were applying for an electrical journeyman-ship, or a high school teaching job, I sure wouldn't. Some people just aren't going to understand or be impressed by those facts. Worse yet, some people are going to be turned off by it and think I was being a snob.

BTW, you really don't have a dog in this fight either, so why jump on the guy?

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Q.E.D.

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Post #43

rather then getting pissed off at the bimbo, kindly tell them what an "honorable discharge" is and that you ended your end of the contract.
You might want to then tell her that there is also 1) a dishonorable discharge which is usually reserved for near treasonous acts, 2) a bad conduct discharge which is for a loser, and 3) a general discharge which is LESS then honorable.
Then go on to tell her about Specialist vs Corporal, etc.
KINDLY..... that way you will educate the idiot, and you will help future veterans that have to deal with this person.
At least they didn't call you a "baby killer"
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Just be sure to include a mention of your MENSA membership; sneak it in there somewhere.

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Post #45

quote:
Originally posted by Cava3r4
rather then getting pissed off at the bimbo, kindly tell them what an "honorable discharge" ...

Yer getting too technical here dear buddy. When woman has discharge is always bad, so forget it..,.

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November 25, 2009 02:31

Post #46

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Yer getting too technical here dear buddy. When woman has discharge is always bad, so forget it

that ALSO depends on the "discharge".... some are loud and joyous.

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