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I took my resume in last Wednesday to have the career counselor look it over. Her suggestion was to change the wording "Received Honorable Discharge" to something more positive such as "Released after completion of contract." I also included Specialist-E4 on the resume, to which she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

Oh well, probably a good question since I'll probably be interviewed by someone without any military experience.

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Originally posted by dean06919
I took my resume in last Wednesday to have the career counselor look it over. Her suggestion was to change the wording "Received Honorable Discharge" to something more positive such as "Released after completion of contract." I also included Specialist-E4 on the resume, to which she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

Oh well, probably a good question since I'll probably be interviewed by someone without any military experience.


Clueless Idiot.

Tell her you were a specialist in shooting people and blowing things up.

But in an "honorable" way.

Oh, and you might inform her that a fellow Veteran seeing "Released after completion of contract", on a resume, will think you are trying to conceal a Dishonorable or Less Than Honorable Discharge.

Idiot.

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Anyone who matters should know what an honorable discharge and a "specialist" is. If you are interviewing some idiot and they don't know what an honorable discharge is, tell them its a discharge associated with a wet dream about your wife as opposed to the usual wet dream about some slutty bimbo.

Good luck in the job market. It is tough out there, but there are a lot of employers who recognize the hard work and dedication it takes to be in the military and know they can count on you to serve their business well also.

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Anyone who matters should know what an honorable discharge and a "specialist" is.



+1

Typical HR f*@kwit. Wouldn't know s#!t from clay. At the end of the year, her total contribution to society is...... NOTHING!

What an oxygen thief.

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....and if I was looking over the CV of an ex-military type person and saw ANYTHING other than "Honorable Discharge", it would be straight to the round file.

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I have never served, and I know for sure what Honorable Discharge means, and it sounds Honorable to me.

Even if someone didn't, if they were halfway decent at their job of hiring people, they'd take 30 seconds to google "Honorable discharge" and the very first result would be this wikipedia article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Milit...
d_States

where with 30 seconds of skimming they could find out what Honorable Discharge actually means.



Would you really want to work for a company that employed someone to be in charge of hiring that was too stupid/careless to do that? I wouldn't.

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ok.

i didn't serve in the military. and i also do not know what a specialist is?


does this make me an "oxygen thief"? maybe "i don't matter" since i don't know what it means...





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Changing what you really are to appear as something more broadly acceptable seems to be gaining favor. Ignorance should never be accept as a norm. Piss in her potted plant and send her a bill for plant care,,,, even if it's plastic.

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Why do you ask stupid questions for? You want a job or not?
Who do you think prescreen the resumes? Smart people?

Get her word for it and correct that resume. Have another version for smart people you meet in person.

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I wouldn't change a thing.

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Originally posted by jaykden
ok.

i didn't serve in the military. and i also do not know what a specialist is?


does this make me an "oxygen thief"? maybe "i don't matter" since i don't know what it means...





Not unless you're in HR, where the most useless people get to decide what you're worth.

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I did eight years in the Army and went around filling out job applications after my Honorable Discharge. I was called in for a job interview with the Department of Corrections and produced my DD214 as proof of military service. The captain who did the interview wanted to know what a Radio Communications Traffic Analysis Specialist was and what was my speciality.

So I told him in broad terms what I did and that my speciality was the Soviet Military Radio Callsign System. He just looked at me and shook his head. But I got the job anyway.

And so it goes.


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Typically, career counselors don't make much money. This should tell you a lot about the value of their advice.

If they had the world's best advice, would they not be CEOs of corporations instead...?

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Originally posted by dean06919
I took my resume in last Wednesday to have the career counselor look it over. Her suggestion was to change the wording "Received Honorable Discharge" to something more positive such as "Released after completion of contract." I also included Specialist-E4 on the resume, to which she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

Oh well, probably a good question since I'll probably be interviewed by someone without any military experience.


"I served, you didn't, shut up honey" (she'll appreciate the honey remark, trust me)

She's a counselor, not someone doing the hiring.

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On retirement from the Navy, I was told to adjust my resume to English, that is either corporate or gov't terms. Reveiw your current resume and make is so your high school English teacher would understand it, and get all military "speak" out of it. (If you can't find it in a dictionary, change the words so it can be found.) Conclude it with Military Service: # years, Honorable Discharge. It may come across the desk of a vet who knows what it means.

Best of luck and thanks for your service.

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Wouldn't know s#!t from clay


Hey Hoot, could you change this to SHINOLA since there are people named Clay.
Yeah, I'm one of them and yes I to think it's funny my Momma named me dirt!!!

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I've been out for over 12 years and I always put down Honorable.
Never been asked for my dd214.

Is there a better term for Honorable discharge??

Completed my contract without fawking up??

Does Honor not mean anything these days?
I just check the box Honorably discharged and go about my way.

I have not had to submit an application for 9 years so maybe things have changed.

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Originally posted by tigerfans2


"I served, you didn't, shut up honey" (she'll appreciate the honey remark, trust me)

She's a counselor, not someone doing the hiring.


Don't forget to call her "sugar tits" too.

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Hey Hoot, could you change this to SHINOLA since there are people named Clay. Yeah, I'm one of them and yes I to think it's funny my Momma named me dirt!!!



Doooh! Sorry!

But, I did use little "c". I'm sure she would definitely know s#!t from Clay...

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I wouldn't change a thing. If they know about military terms they will understand. If they don't, you can't explain it to them in this lifetime.

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I agree with the halfwit that you need to change your resume. Just not the way she wants it changed.

Change "received Honorable Discharge" to "Earned Honorable Discharge" or "Honorably Discharged" or "Honorably Discharged Veteran". While the last one is redundant, the term "veteran" is more generally known and draws more respect.

As far as "specialist-e4" goes, that is nothing more then your rank and grade. You need to actually list the short title of your MOS so the block heads might have an interest in what it actually means and you might get a call back.

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Write for your audience. If you expect to send your resume to military types only, then ignore her suggestions. However, if non-military types will see your resume, it might be worth your time to think about her suggestion (even if you don't follow it verbatim). No need to leave non-military folk scratching their heads when a simple parenthetical element can clear up the confusion and perhaps even teach them a little military jargon.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dean06919 -- she replied "what were you a specialist at?"

dean06919, thanks for your service. Too bad you must deal with idiots such as these. You do not deserve this disrespect but she does'nt know any better. Just a product of our liberal society, she is.

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Those who risk all to serve their country are a special breed. You have my sincere thanks for your service to our grand country.

That said, for me, jaykden, and others having never served and perhaps not in the know regarding all military nomenclature, some of the terminology used can be confusing. I know what an honorable discharge is, but I had to google Specialist E-4 to see what that was. It was no problem to find the answer. However, learning that an E-4 is a Specialist Third Class, I can see why a layperson like me might not immediately understand the classification. Why wouldn't an E-4 be a Specialist Fourth Class or a Specialist Third Class be an E-3 instead? No big deal that the classification is what it is, but that doesn't necessarily make understanding it a cakewalk for those like me who didn't serve. It's not unlike any large organization or industry with it's own terminology--it can be somewhat cryptic for outsiders.

And sure, it's no big deal for me to look up the info on google, but the point of a resume isn't to create work for the person looking at yours and 400 other folks' resumes.

I agree that the gal's suggestion about changing the wording for honorable discharge is lame, but I can't fault her for not knowing what an E-4 was. Hope you ex-military folk can give us armchair commandos a bit of a break on this one.

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I have a friend who had been recently discharged (yes, honorably..) from the Marine Corp and was interviewing for a job at a restaurant. He said the interview hadn't gone very well and he already knew he wasn't going to get it, and then the girl interviewing him asked him what he did in the Marines. When he responded "infantry," she asked him what job skills he learned from that. I don't think she liked his responsed of "effective ways to kill people."

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Anyone who matters should know what an honorable discharge and a "specialist" is. If you are interviewing some idiot and they don't know what an honorable discharge is, tell them its a discharge associated with a wet dream about your wife as opposed to the usual wet dream about some slutty bimbo.

Good luck in the job market. It is tough out there, but there are a lot of employers who recognize the hard work and dedication it takes to be in the military and know they can count on you to serve their business well also.


Contrary to popular belief (at least here) the fact that one has military experience does not necessarily make one smarter or better qualified for a job than one that does not have military experience. I have had several employees with military experience. Some were outstanding workers. Some were highly intelligent. Some were dumber than rocks. Some just wanted to bitch about every single thing no matter how insignificant. One guy in particular was a great personable guy who would bust his ass all day if you could sit there and watch him and order him around but he was so dumb I don't know how he even got dressed in the morning and you sure as hell couldn't leave him unsupervised for too long.

If you think that everyone that matters will be fluent in all military jargon, I hope you are either applying for a job in the military or a related field, or you are good at flipping burgers.

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If you think that everyone that matters will be fluent in all military jargon, I hope you are either applying for a job in the military or a related field, or you are good at flipping burgers.


Anyone who matters should know what an Honorable Discharge is or be smart enough to connect the words "honorable" and "discharge" and infer a meaning. I would simply write: "honorably discharged at the rank of Specialist-4," and be done with it.

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I have had several employees with military experience.



A fellow that calls himself doodster has several employees. Isn't America great?

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A fellow that calls himself doodster has several employees. Isn't America great?


America is great. So is the internet. Where else can you resort to making fun of someone's name when you have nothing intelligent to say? In the real world you would be laughed at and told to shut up and return to your ditch and continue digging. Thank god for the internet so you can truly speak your mind.

So in the words of Junior - "Hey white boy, that hole ain't gonna dig itself. Get your dick skin on that thing boy dig! We ain't got all day - Dig Dig!

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America is great. So is the internet. Where else can you resort to making fun of someone's name when you have nothing intelligent to say? In the real world you would be laughed at and told to shut up and return to your ditch and continue digging. Thank God for the internet so you can truly speak your mind.

So in the words of Junior - "Hey white boy, that hole ain't gonna dig itself. Get your dick skin on that thing boy dig! We ain't got all day - Dig Dig! [/B]
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I just remembered a a joke a med student once told me ,, he said he and his class mates classified non-transmissible urethritis strain drip as a non-venereal "honorable discharge".

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The latest posts beg the question, is "Doodster" a real name used for legal ID purposes? If it is, then that's one thing. If not, then why get bent out of shape if you chose a tongue-in-cheek user handle and someone finds humor in the pseudonym that you chose?

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That's now TWO threads currently at the top of GNFD where a poster has revealed his "issues".

We obviously need a lot more therapy around here, yes, a lot more therapy.

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