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View Poll Results: How many polymer US made FAL mags would you buy?
I would buy one 31 4.44%
I would buy two 122 17.48%
I would buy five 300 42.98%
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Old April 13, 2010, 09:47   #101
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I would be in for 5 right off the bat and at least another 5 within 2-3 months.

I would really like a ribbed 25 round translucent polymer body mag like the Lancer L5 ar mags personally.

Thanks again for taking the initiative.
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Old April 13, 2010, 17:21   #102
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I hope to be able to have some OD green and maybe some Tan mags too on the first run but I have to see the cost difference in adding the color and if they can do is cost efficiently on just a short run as I am sure Black will be the biggest seller.
The mags are gonna be the straight design, they work fine straight in the original 30 rounders so 25 rders should work fine too.

I am well aware of the beak, rear locking tab and thickness of the wall issues and will do what is necessary to make a working durable mag, and like I wrote earlier I plan on having a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser.

ER, I am also aware of the mold costs and I have a ballpark quote in that range so hopefully when the final design is approved it will still be in that price range. I am not a wealthy man by any means and $15,000 is a lot of money for me!
I think if I do it right and make a high quality polymer mag it will pay off in the long run. The company I will probably be using has machines from 75 tons all the way up to 263 tons.

The design of the mag will have some ribs and also retain some of the classic FAL mag looks incorporated in it. I think most people will like the looks of it.

This is a very long, time consuming and detailed process, but I expected it to be.
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Old April 16, 2010, 13:52   #103
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Probably won't be any translucent body mags because of durability issues.
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I wonder if Kel-Tec might be interested in supplying them as OEM for the RFB.
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I hope to be able to have some OD green and maybe some Tan mags too on the first run but I have to see the cost difference in adding the color and if they can do is cost efficiently on just a short run as I am sure Black will be the biggest seller.
I'm in for a couple of tan and OD green if it works out.
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What is the Kel-tec RFB?
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Old April 17, 2010, 15:04   #107
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Old April 18, 2010, 12:21   #108
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I'd take at least 5.


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Old April 18, 2010, 19:49   #109
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Good job on singing Kiss!
And your girlfriend has an awesome voice!

I am meeting with the injection molding company again one day this week!
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I am meeting with the injection molding company again one day this week!
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Old April 20, 2010, 14:19   #111
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Johnny, put me down as favoring the 25 round versions. I don't care about the color but OD would look good on my Izzy HB.
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I'd take a pair of 25's... One in black, one in OD, if available.

But I'd have to see the design first...

[Edit] Actually, if the price is gonna be around 25 bucks a unit, I'd take two pair, black/od...

My thoughts on the design aspect:

I'd love to see them more steel mag-looking, but a grippy surface isn't bad either, if it's done right... That waffle crap that Kel-Tec does is gross. But, the mock-up with water stipple on Pg 2 looks great!

My 2 cents... Does that mean I get a development discount and only have to pay $24.98?


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Old April 20, 2010, 20:12   #113
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I'd like to submit my offer for five of the 25rd mags in Black.
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Old April 23, 2010, 16:18   #114
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Thanks I hope they are a success too! LOL!
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Old April 24, 2010, 10:44   #115
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Greetings and many thanks Mosses,
I'm in for ten 20 rnders in basic black /strapless
and five 25 rnders in od green with the v-neck

Good Luck and bless ya for goin thru the effort to fill a need in the FAL/L1A1 world

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Old April 25, 2010, 00:29   #116
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I'm in for a few, maybe more, if your finished product works as well as P-Mags.

I got a couple of questions about production? In my former life I worked in an industry that was using carbon fiber in a thermoset format, which was basically the two halves molded together to make the product versus a thermomold process, which was poured in the mold to create the final product. I know there was "Zytel"(old school) and then a few other "mixes" which were developed to give the strength where it was needed and keep the overall weight down.

I'm guessing todays technology has new materials and processes that are improvements to what I saw in the mid 90's.

My hats off to you on this endeavor and hope we can get a great finished product.
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Old April 25, 2010, 01:54   #117
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I'm definitely interested in the 20 or 25 rounders,black or green.
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Hey Moses - one thought came to mind while I was on a long drive: what's the weight on these going to be? Similiar to the hiduminium's?
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i said 5 initially, round count doesnt really matter to me nor the color. If they are like the pmags i have i would get more.
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Guess these would count as three US parts then.

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Yes they will count as 3 US parts.

Neonnoodle, not sure what your questions are?

I do not know how much they will weigh but they should be considerably lighter than the steel mags. Soon as I get the finished product I will post the weight.
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Old April 26, 2010, 18:06   #123
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Of course Pictures when I get the mags finished but that is still a good ways off.
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I'd most likely try a few if they end up being 20 round capacity.

Not really interested in 25 or 30 round mags, though...
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They'd make awesome prizes at your CR-PC matches Johnny!
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Waiting on the final quote from the Injection molder.

As usual everything takes longer than expected.
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+1 (well, +5) on 25-rounders for me, more eventually if they are high quality.

There are lots of 20-rd surplus mags available, and DSA is working on theirs; distinguish yourself from them.

30-rd is too unwieldy and heavy, and I understand that when fully loaded the pressure of the top round on the bottom of the bolt can cause cycling problems.

While I personally really like the cosmetics of a curved mag in the FAL, first consider carefully how well they would work in an RFB. A curve might bring the front of the magazine too close to the rear of the grip to be easily inserted and removed. Curved would also be harder to find pouches for.

+1 on embossing the markings for the witness holes and letting the buyer drill them if they want.

Here's hoping you get an OEM contract with Kel-Tec!
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Met with the molders again wednesday, next up is putting the design into cad form so the molds can be made.
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I saw Rock Rivers new polymer FAL mag it has a slight curve to it, it should be out this summer.
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Moses, you get a chance to see the follower on the scar heavy mag? Pretty cool polymer design
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I'd personally prefer 20rd mags. This would be an awesome development, I've been dreaming of polymer FAL mags for a while.
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I actually did see the Scar heavy mag today as a matter of fact and did notice and examine the polymer follower. I was at the NRA show that was here in Charlotte.
I also talked to Rock River arms about there polymer FAL mags they are working on and the guy told me they will not work in an FAL because they are not gonna have the beak on the front of the mag. This was after I noticed they have a channel milled in their receiver that renders the beak useless when used in their gun, so I asked will your new polymer mags have the beak, and he said no and I said so they won't work in a FAL then and he said they were making the mags for their gun not FAL's! I smiled and said thank you. hehehehe
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I actually did see the Scar heavy mag today as a matter of fact and did notice and examine the polymer follower. I was at the NRA show that was here in Charlotte.
I also talked to Rock River arms about there polymer FAL mags they are working on and the guy told me they will not work in an FAL because they are not gonna have the beak on the front of the mag. This was after I noticed they have a channel milled in their receiver that renders the beak useless when used in their gun, so I asked will your new polymer mags have the beak, and he said no and I said so they won't work in a FAL then and he said they were making the mags for their gun not FAL's! I smiled and said thank you. hehehehe
Ya, I was at that show also... the scar H mag was way more similiar than I was expecting. Why mess with a good design I guess. They would sell more mags for the fal than the rock rivers gun if they would just stick the beak on there.

Oh, stopped by the DSA booth took and look at their fal's ask about their mags.
"any week now, they will be ready"
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Yeah the SCAR H mag body seemed to be an exact (almost exact) copy of a FAL mag but with the cutout for the AR type mag release, no beak and no rear locking tab used for the FAL mag release.
Looked to me like FAL mags could be converted to fit but wouldnt know for sure until I tried it.

I only had a little over an hour at the show and didn't get over to DSA's booth but I have heard the same quote about when their steel mags will be ready.
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"any week" has been the tale for about a year. Looking forward to these light weight polymer mags
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Old May 17, 2010, 17:50   #144
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Got the quote today.
Next step is drawing up the prints and making the CAD program.

8 to 10 weeks is the time frame for the molds to be made once the CAD is ready.
I didn't think it would take that long but I guess that is the normal time frame.
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Well hurry up and get some patents, so we can see this awesome polymer FAL mag!


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Yeah it's not like I don't have enough steel and alloy mags! Now polymer mags! I am in for 10 maybe 20! I guess if my Mag to rifle ratio gets blown out of proportion I could always just get another rifle or two!
Johnny, I am sure you have many offers on the table BUT just in case......If you need a field tester before they go into production feel free to send me a couple, I would be glad to put them thru a battery of field test for you!

With the 20 rounders I am assuming they will fit into a 30 cal ammo can just as the steel and alloy?

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Hey Johnny! How goes it? I would be up for several of these for my rifle and the 2 extra parts over the floorplate would be cool. Dark Gray 25 rounders would be my preference.
I will be happy to help test these, just let me know.
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Moses:

Have you been following the developments in quad-stack mags for the AR and AK platforms?

The critical bits are patented, so you probably won't be able to do something like that without some innovation on your part. Any thoughts?
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I haven't heard or seen of the quad stacked mags until you just brought it up.

I am far enough into the progress that I am gonna concentrate on the more traditional style mags.

I have a first preliminary model CAD of the magazine finished and I am very pleased with how it looks.
I am supposed to meet with the guy who is engineering the making of the molds Monday.

This is a long process but I am making progress!

Trying to do everything right and make a high quality functional FAL mag.
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