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Old February 12, 2018, 00:11   #1
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Axe project

Soooo...I decided I needed to be able to make axes and hammers.

First things first...we need a decent drift...



Wat went wrong...



As of today.




Ignore the upper rainbow, this is a heat line from the quench heat only, and believe it or not has precious little to do with the overall performance of the axe.

If you look just below the aquamarine in the lower color line, that line is the boundary layer between the O-1 tool steel (the lower section) and the 15N20/1080 'damascus' section. The fact that this is so hard to detect makes me very happy. I am very hopeful this line will be a thing of beauty once the etching is done.

In hindsight I should have forged the drawn section out to a flat top and a more pronounced beard, but I was more concerned with getting the welds to take on this first (second?) attempt.

In other news I made a draw knife late this evening and managed to get both tempered before the wife needed to put dinner in the oven.
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I am going to make a time lapse of making a smaller draw knife. I made 2 larger ones and both were too springy for what needed done. So, let's see how long it takes to make another.

The handle was literally a piece of firewood at 3pm.





So you should be able to see the damascus clearly now, and on the BP stamped side you can see it layered on unevenly so when I ground the final form it got weird.

On the O-1 tool steel section, you can see a darker section, this is the truly hardened part, so we got a bit of a hamon, though that wasn't the plan.
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The video is up.

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Pay attention, folks - THIS is how you make a build thread!

I am no longer amazed by your skills as I've known you so long. It's a given that you can do all this cool stuff.

What I am constantly amazed by is the never-ending limits of my ignorance. After almost every video of yours I watch, I realize I had no idea how much went into what is seemingly a simple task. Very cool stuff here!
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Pay attention, folks - THIS is how you make a build thread!

I am no longer amazed by your skills as I've known you so long. It's a given that you can do all this cool stuff.

What I am constantly amazed by is the never-ending limits of my ignorance. After almost every video of your I watch, I realize I had no idea how much went into what is seemingly a simple task. Very cool stuff here!
He does have a lot of talent for making knifes and now axes I always wanted a custom made knife.
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Old February 12, 2018, 16:54   #6
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"What I am constantly amazed by is the never-ending limits of my ignorance."

You know, had you attended UT in your former misspent youth this wouldn't be such an issue!

I saw the shot and couldn't resist taking it! Hope all is well....
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"What I am constantly amazed by is the never-ending limits of my ignorance."

You know, had you attended UT in your former misspent youth this wouldn't be such an issue!

I saw the shot and couldn't resist taking it! Hope all is well....
I set myself up for that one - well played.
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Thanks Matt.

In talking to another smith I asked about the lack of contrast between the 1080 and the 15N20 in the Damascus. He asked if the whole thing had been quenched and I said "No, just the dark line you see.....OHHHHHHHHHH!"

So this one is going back for a few normalizing cycles and then getting a full quench and temper and we'll see how it looks after that.

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I sure hope not!
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Well, that's all well and good...just don't lose your temper... over $0.89 (not that that would happen around here)

And OT, but Stimpy how many Brens did you end up doing?
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And OT, but Stimpy how many Brens did you end up doing?
Just the one, why?

TAC40 has my jig.

I have a spare kit IIRC, but it was hacked up in some bad places.


In other news the handle I made yesterday had a cant, so I made another one tonight. Draw knife work is a bit like the rowing machine.
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Yep, bringing it back next month. Can't seem to get my welds to take as well as I would like. So, back to welding school to learn what all those newfangled buttons and knobs are for.



Stimpy, take a look at the video S37: Brian Boggs, Chairmaker Promo 37th Season for the Woodwright Show with Roy Underhill. It shows Bogggs using a curved draw knife for making chair legs. He explained that the curved edge cut the round shape cleaner than the straight edge with a lot more control for finer cuts.

http://www.pbs.org/woodwrightsshop/home/
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Which episode?

I will try to make a curved one when I get back out there.

A pic of what it looked like would be helpful.

Is da?



I don't NEED the jig back if you want to hang on to it, not like I am going to build the kit any time soon...or...ever.
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He probably used an antique version of this spokeshave...

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BTW, awsome project Stimp.~ss
Thanks!

I need to make a few spokeshaves also, a bit more trouble than the draw knives though.
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Oh and the forge welding video is now up...

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Stimpy, he used a straight draw knife, a curved draw knife and various spoke shaves to for his round pieces. What I found impressive, besides making wood do things I can't, was how he could push or draw his draw knives to obtain the shapes he wanted. Even more impressive was the curved draw knife held at a pretty steep angle (one hand forward, the other back) and fineness of the cuts he could make by doing that.

Not sure if link works for you:

http://www.pbs.org/video/brian-boggs-chairmaker-rqayw1/

Some info on his draw knives and what he looks for.

http://www.jefflefkowitzchairmaker.c...g-part-1-tools
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Oh and the forge welding video is now up...

Just like watching Forged In Fire.....but better.....no judges!

Great work and nice video. Thanks for sharing.
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OK, so, in talking to another smith who does 1080/15N20 Damascus, he pointed out that the lack of heat treating the entire piece was likely the reason there wasn't a lot of contrast between the 1080 and the 15N20.

This information forced me to go back and do a full quench/temper of the entire piece, rather than just the edge. I haven't polished and etched it again yet, but the pattern does seem brighter even just as it came out of the first temper cycle.



It won't stay blue, of course.

I also went ahead and burned the handle and then buffed it with a polishing wheel loaded with beeswax.



So much to learn.
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Very nice. I do like the way the the layers "pop" now. Have you considered the "acid dip" to bring out the pattern more? Too bad you couldn't keep that blue color. I like the way it shines different shade of blue when the light hits it.

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Have you considered the "acid dip" to bring out the pattern more?
The etching I refer to is an acid dip.

So yeah, that's next.
Sand to 1000grit or more and etch for 15 minutes, then 3000 grit to get the level of pattern I want.
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I ended up using a cold blue after having repeated issues with the etching. Much easier!
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