New to AK's

ExCdnSoldierInTx · December 31, 2012, 00:17

Ok guys, here's my deal.

I'm a FAL guy, but the AK is cool.

Can you recommend what to get for a traditional ( as in original looking) AK.
I'm not into fancy tacticool crap, just an traditional stamped, workaday wood furnitured ugly, fixed stock, reliable AK.

I know NOTHING about these things other than that the bad guys carried them when I was in the Army...

**Tibodoe** · December 31, 2012, 00:31

My Chinese MAK 90 is my favorite. You can by one with the
thumbhole stock and convert it to standard furniture.
There are many other good choices, this just my favorite.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · December 31, 2012, 00:43

Ok, thanks.

In this crazy time, what would a guy expect to spend?

Curious..

I know an AK ain't a FAL or an AR, but seriously man, I ain't got a sniff of an idea.

And to convert? How, and cost to do?

FUUN063 · December 31, 2012, 01:01

Right now, buy a kit and build it. Much cheaper and you know what you are getting unless you go wiht one of the bigger brands. I like Polish, Chinese, Russian, Maadi, Bulgarian and early Romanian ones myself. Pretty much in that order, but not exactly, however. Definitely go with a Nodak Spud receiver, although they are not taking telephone orders right now, only mail in or fax orders. I have a few coming in when the next batch is due (around February).

Leland

ExCdnSoldierInTx · December 31, 2012, 09:41

Thanks,
I looked quickly on GB, saw lots of Romanians, a Yugo, among others.
Can you recommend any specific one?

LYCAN · December 31, 2012, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExCdnSoldierInTx

In this crazy time, what would a guy expect to spend?

I'd wait a looong while... buying now would be a bad idea unless you don't mind wasting money

Prices have gone from insane to full retard...

**Tibodoe** · December 31, 2012, 11:46

I know I keep beating the MAK 90 drum, but you will not be disappointed.
Ironwood has replacement stocks in the $160 range.
I left the stock front sight base on mine as I did not care if
the gun had a bayonette lug or not. I have had many AKs and this
is one of the finest for the money.
If it were me I would put every MAK90 on gunbroker in my watch section.
If you can get one under $900 I would buy it. I would wait until
I could get one in that range or less.
The Romainian and Polish guns do not compare in my opinion.
The Russian and Bulgarian do.
Be careful of ANY AK with a barrel that is not original to the gun.
Or in other words US made barrel.
Run some of your choices by us, we would love to help you make an
informed choice.
Bret

ExCdnSoldierInTx · December 31, 2012, 13:00

Thanks Brett.

I'm a FAL guy, in no rush, but I just think they're evil looking and nasty.
And it's America, and I want one..LOL!

I'm pretty sure there won't be an AWB, at least if our politicians care about their jobs, that is... so I don't mind waiting

**def90** · December 31, 2012, 13:56

If looking for new anything from Arsenal is good.. might be hard to find right now.

I would post a wtb ad in the marketplace and see what gets offered up. With the current panic, anywhere else and you are going to be raped.

For a newer budget minded AK the Waffenworks rifles from Atlantic Firearms have been getting good reviews:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130668

**MajHenryWest** · December 31, 2012, 14:39

There are still some decent deals to be had.

The two I would look for would be (AKM in 7.62x39) -

1) A fixed stock Romanian "G" marked model - These have been made with all
sorts of US receivers, which you will need to research a bit. The G kits seem
to have been in the nicest condition when imported, and they usually have
the mil-spec original barrel. The wood can be refinished into Russian red/iodine for the old school/cold war look or just get a new set to your specs from Iron Wood.

2) An underfolding stock Polish model - Lots of kits came in with the original barrels that were matching numbers. Same advice as to receivers. Great quality, you can still find a good one for less than $1,000.00 right now.

**Drtrumpet** · December 31, 2012, 16:43

I recommend against building if you are unfamiliar with the design. There is a learning curve to it. I recommend learning about what to look out for on a wasr and getting one. Despite idiotic rantings to the contrary the wasr is a fine rifle.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · December 31, 2012, 17:10

WTF is a WASR?

**Tibodoe** · December 31, 2012, 17:18

A WASR 10 is a Century imported Romainian rifle. It is generally looked
at as the lower end of AKs. Often the front sight would be canted to
the left or the right. Generally not as nicely finished as other AKs.
All that being said, I have one, and it is a fine shooter. It is a little
rattley compared to others, but functions fine. I would not buy a
WASR unless I could inspect it or knew the person selling it.
If you find a straight one, they are great.

0302 · January 04, 2013, 19:54

I have a Romanian sar-1, ak-47, & sar-2, ak-74. Both ain't much to look at but have been about 100% reliable and acceptably accurate & have chromed barrels & use standard commie mags. The sar-2 has the dreaded canted front sight and gas block which I might get fixed someday, but I doubt it. My 13&14 year olds just shot the sar2 today with zero issues, and shot it well, recoil is very minimal. My dream ak74 is still an arsenal. The scope rails on both are properly mounted. Running the sar-2 with e German bakelites is just cool.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · January 04, 2013, 20:47

0302, I hear ya!

I guess I'm just looking for a crappy Commie gun that looks like it was just plucked out of the bony hands of a long dead Commie soldier.

I'd like it to look like shit but run perfectly.

I'm looking at a MAK90 now, but it looks too new..LOL! But I'm sure it's 100% reliable as MAKs usually are.
I'd have to re-wood it for sure....

**msnyder** · January 04, 2013, 21:47

I like the Romy G's and Polish Underfolders.
Romy G's were $100 when the Polish kits were $250.
Polish barrels were made on Steyr hammer forging machines.
Romy barrels are chrome lined.
The Polish underfolders look the bad assest but the Romy's seem to
be just as accurate.

They're still pretty reasonable on Gunbroker. $750-$1000 for built rifles.

Arsenals go for more.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · January 04, 2013, 21:51

I like the Romy G's, but I hate that goofy front handguard..
I'd have to deep six that thing...

Building my own makes sense to me. At least I get what I want right out of the gate...
There's always something I don't like about someone else's rifle, ya know?

**msnyder** · January 05, 2013, 05:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExCdnSoldierInTx

I like the Romy G's, but I hate that goofy front handguard..
I'd have to deep six that thing...

Building my own makes sense to me. At least I get what I want right out of the gate...
There's always something I don't like about someone else's rifle, ya know?

I replaced all the furniture on my Romy and kept the original furniture in a box.

MontanaGrant · January 05, 2013, 11:03

I will say that if you can find a Wasr at a decent price and can examine it for "problems" that can occur with any AK, they can be good guns.

I've had 4 (down to two) and all have worked fine and actually been my most accurate AK's.

Overall, I've looked at a LOT of AK's, owned quite a few, and they're all generally pretty good as long as you know what to look for: abnormal "binding" when checking the bolt carrier, canted trunnions, FSB's, gasblocks,etc.

You will enjoy whatever AK you get, they're all a blast.

meltblown · January 05, 2013, 11:23

Get you one of these. They're wicked as hell

thejeep · January 05, 2013, 21:24

WASR 10/63 made by the ever popular century arms I believe would fit the bill.
the stock sets look like ass but they work. the tapco trigger is squishy but I don't have issues with it personally. fitted mine with arsenal stuff to make it look like an AK-74 side folder. I'm happy with it. one note I may be mistaken but the WASR 10 was made to take single stack mags and no muzzle device. the 10/63 has a ground out magwell to take normal mags and a threaded barrel.
most are simply called a WASR 10.
got mine around the 300~400 range best of luck finding one at a decent price these days.

**msnyder** · January 06, 2013, 13:09

Here's a pic of the Romy G I built from a $100 Bocefus kit and NDS3 receiver. It has a Texas Weapons Systems top cover and US made furniture. Need to paint that front brake and put a sling on it. Almost too pretty to be an AK but I like it and it shoots great.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · January 06, 2013, 17:04

MSnyder,
That's a freakin good looking rifle!

I'm not looking for something that nice

I'd drag mine through the dirt behind my truck a few times to Commie it up a little, I think....

Or pour some acid on it or something... Dang that thing looks like it should be framed or something.
Stalin's probably flipping in his stinkin grave right now!

TheRussian · January 06, 2013, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExCdnSoldierInTx

Ok guys, here's my deal.

I'm a FAL guy, but the AK is cool.

Can you recommend what to get for a traditional ( as in original looking) AK.
I'm not into fancy tacticool crap, just an traditional stamped, workaday wood furnitured ugly, fixed stock, reliable AK.

I know NOTHING about these things other than that the bad guys carried them when I was in the Army...

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ak-47-74-rifles.html
http://www.k-var.com/shop/home.php
Those are a good start, also
http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-guns?caliber=46
http://centerfiresystems.com/

homelandprotector · January 06, 2013, 17:33

Get a VZ58......they don't need rivets.

JasonB · January 06, 2013, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tibodoe

My Chinese MAK 90 is my favorite. You can by one with the
thumbhole stock and convert it to standard furniture.

I wouldn't do that with plans of converting it unless you can pop the stock off and see if the receiver is cut at 90 degrees or is one of the slant cut types.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · January 06, 2013, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonB

I wouldn't do that with plans of converting it unless you can pop the stock off and see if the receiver is cut at 90 degrees or is one of the slant cut types.

Yeah I heard that too.

Doesn't someone make furniture to workwith that goofy slant cut?
Or does that just make the whole rifle look stupid..

JasonB · January 06, 2013, 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExCdnSoldierInTx

Yeah I heard that too.

Doesn't someone make furniture to workwith that goofy slant cut?
Or does that just make the whole rifle look stupid..

So so on looks, but for some reason I am thinking the slant cuts vary somewhat from rifle to rifle. It would also limit the types of stocks you could use without the gap.

Ironwood has the slant cut friendly butts:

http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDNEWAKMA_2.html

If you go Chinese, I would recommend going with an AKM type butt instead of the original. The original Chinese butt for a stamped receiver mimics the original milled AK-47 butt which has more drop to it than the newer straight line AKM stamped type.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · January 06, 2013, 21:00

Jason, i'm looking at Romy G kits now. Look good, factor in a NoDak, some wood, and a few parts made in the good ol' USA, I start thinking I shoulda done this a year ago!
Yikes!

ExCdnSoldierInTx · January 06, 2013, 21:01

Jason, i'm looking at Romy G kits now. Look good, factor in a NoDak, some wood, and a few parts made in the good ol' USA, I start thinking I shoulda done this a year ago!
Yikes!
I might have to sell a Luger or two to afford this build!
Sick, huh?

dirtyrice · January 06, 2013, 23:36

You're cheapest bet would be a romy g on an nds3. I like mine. Getting anything right now is kind of rough unless you can find a good deal. My kit cost me like $125 and the receiver is only like $60ish I think. Luckily some fellow falers helped me put it together.

**Drtrumpet** · January 07, 2013, 00:49

If you intend to build, look for an NDS1 or Armory USA AKM receiver. These do not suffer the dimensional issues the NDS3 is fought with. The NDS3 rivet holes were patterned after the SA85 and will not line up with the Romanian rivet holes precisely. It is better to drill your own rivet holes so they match your kit. The NDS3 also has issues with the FCG pin hole dimensions, which cause disconnector engagement issues that are falsely attribute to the tapco FCG. The issue is a receiver issue. Avoid the NDS3 if you can.

ExCdnSoldierInTx · January 08, 2013, 00:02

Nick, you make me sick!
Don't tell me what you paid, I get pissed off! LOL

I've heard I hould go with the Nodak1 not the 3 with this kit because of dimensional isues.

Question: should I buy the "deluxe"
with the tunnion holes drilled, or just the basic and drill my own?

As far as everything else goes, I want this to be a p.o.s. looking piece of kit when done..

dirtyrice · January 08, 2013, 02:15

While i've had no issues from mine, which has a g2 trigger in it. I would never try to steer someone towards an nds3 over an nds1. I'll probably build my last kit on an nds1 if I can ever get my hands on one. Looks like nodak no longer even sells nds-3 receivers. The guys that make me sick are the ones that bought nice fal kits for $100 and imbel receivers for like $150

I missed that boat. And the cheap surplus ammo boat.

sHeavy · January 08, 2013, 19:18

I would get a Yugoslavian M70AB2, to be honest.

Built like handheld tanks.

dirtyrice · January 08, 2013, 23:20

Yeah bust most of the kits you'll find now are pretty well used vs a practically new romy.

STGThndr · January 09, 2013, 00:37

Ditto on the Yugos. Some don't like em but theyve been a problem-free "platform" for me- however they arent parts compatable with other, lesser AKs, nor do they have chromed barrels. They are (subjective experience) accurate and sturdy.
The Chinese MAK90s are great too and have the chromed barrel. There are several places that sell wood for the angle cuts, both stamped and forged recievers. Ironwood Designs being one of them that Ive done business with.
I went with the forged thinking it would be more a "last forever" sort of thing tho I dunno how much difference it really makes and won't live long enuff to find out.

December 31, 2012, 00:17	#1
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	New to AK's Ok guys, here's my deal. I'm a FAL guy, but the AK is cool. Can you recommend what to get for a traditional ( as in original looking) AK. I'm not into fancy tacticool crap, just an traditional stamped, workaday wood furnitured ugly, fixed stock, reliable AK. I know NOTHING about these things other than that the bad guys carried them when I was in the Army... __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11 Last edited by ExCdnSoldierInTx; December 31, 2012 at 00:23.

December 31, 2012, 00:43	#3
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	Ok, thanks. In this crazy time, what would a guy expect to spend? Curious.. I know an AK ain't a FAL or an AR, but seriously man, I ain't got a sniff of an idea. And to convert? How, and cost to do? __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

December 31, 2012, 09:41	#5
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	Thanks, I looked quickly on GB, saw lots of Romanians, a Yugo, among others. Can you recommend any specific one? __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

December 31, 2012, 11:46	#7
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	I know I keep beating the MAK 90 drum, but you will not be disappointed. Ironwood has replacement stocks in the $160 range. I left the stock front sight base on mine as I did not care if the gun had a bayonette lug or not. I have had many AKs and this is one of the finest for the money. If it were me I would put every MAK90 on gunbroker in my watch section. If you can get one under $900 I would buy it. I would wait until I could get one in that range or less. The Romainian and Polish guns do not compare in my opinion. The Russian and Bulgarian do. Be careful of ANY AK with a barrel that is not original to the gun. Or in other words US made barrel. Run some of your choices by us, we would love to help you make an informed choice. Bret Last edited by Tibodoe; December 31, 2012 at 11:56.

December 31, 2012, 13:00	#8
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	Thanks Brett. I'm a FAL guy, in no rush, but I just think they're evil looking and nasty. And it's America, and I want one..LOL! I'm pretty sure there won't be an AWB, at least if our politicians care about their jobs, that is... so I don't mind waiting __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

December 31, 2012, 00:31	#2
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	My Chinese MAK 90 is my favorite. You can by one with the thumbhole stock and convert it to standard furniture. There are many other good choices, this just my favorite.

December 31, 2012, 01:01	#4
FUUN063 Computer Illiterate Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 35576 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Converse, Indiana Posts: 4,684	Right now, buy a kit and build it. Much cheaper and you know what you are getting unless you go wiht one of the bigger brands. I like Polish, Chinese, Russian, Maadi, Bulgarian and early Romanian ones myself. Pretty much in that order, but not exactly, however. Definitely go with a Nodak Spud receiver, although they are not taking telephone orders right now, only mail in or fax orders. I have a few coming in when the next batch is due (around February). Leland

December 31, 2012, 13:56	#9
def90 Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 50609 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Peoples' Republic of Boulder, Colorado Posts: 9,097	If looking for new anything from Arsenal is good.. might be hard to find right now. I would post a wtb ad in the marketplace and see what gets offered up. With the current panic, anywhere else and you are going to be raped. For a newer budget minded AK the Waffenworks rifles from Atlantic Firearms have been getting good reviews: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130668 __________________ There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live. Public libraries cannot let the public decide what is allowed in the library, or it would be brimming with pornography and gun magazines. Last edited by def90; December 31, 2012 at 14:26.

December 31, 2012, 14:39	#10
MajHenryWest Senior Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11906 Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 660	There are still some decent deals to be had. The two I would look for would be (AKM in 7.62x39) - 1) A fixed stock Romanian "G" marked model - These have been made with all sorts of US receivers, which you will need to research a bit. The G kits seem to have been in the nicest condition when imported, and they usually have the mil-spec original barrel. The wood can be refinished into Russian red/iodine for the old school/cold war look or just get a new set to your specs from Iron Wood. 2) An underfolding stock Polish model - Lots of kits came in with the original barrels that were matching numbers. Same advice as to receivers. Great quality, you can still find a good one for less than $1,000.00 right now. __________________ ****************************** "Steel is Strong because it Knows the Hammer and White Heat." - Johnny Cash, These Things Shall Pass

December 31, 2012, 16:43	#11
Drtrumpet Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 32722 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,215	I recommend against building if you are unfamiliar with the design. There is a learning curve to it. I recommend learning about what to look out for on a wasr and getting one. Despite idiotic rantings to the contrary the wasr is a fine rifle.

December 31, 2012, 17:10	#12
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	WTF is a WASR? __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

December 31, 2012, 17:18	#13
Tibodoe Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44160 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 825	A WASR 10 is a Century imported Romainian rifle. It is generally looked at as the lower end of AKs. Often the front sight would be canted to the left or the right. Generally not as nicely finished as other AKs. All that being said, I have one, and it is a fine shooter. It is a little rattley compared to others, but functions fine. I would not buy a WASR unless I could inspect it or knew the person selling it. If you find a straight one, they are great.

January 04, 2013, 19:54	#14
0302 Registered FALaholic #: 348 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 3,869	I have a Romanian sar-1, ak-47, & sar-2, ak-74. Both ain't much to look at but have been about 100% reliable and acceptably accurate & have chromed barrels & use standard commie mags. The sar-2 has the dreaded canted front sight and gas block which I might get fixed someday, but I doubt it. My 13&14 year olds just shot the sar2 today with zero issues, and shot it well, recoil is very minimal. My dream ak74 is still an arsenal. The scope rails on both are properly mounted. Running the sar-2 with e German bakelites is just cool.

January 04, 2013, 20:47	#15
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	0302, I hear ya! I guess I'm just looking for a crappy Commie gun that looks like it was just plucked out of the bony hands of a long dead Commie soldier. I'd like it to look like shit but run perfectly. I'm looking at a MAK90 now, but it looks too new..LOL! But I'm sure it's 100% reliable as MAKs usually are. I'd have to re-wood it for sure.... __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

January 04, 2013, 21:47	#16
msnyder Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1085 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: USA Posts: 2,859	I like the Romy G's and Polish Underfolders. Romy G's were $100 when the Polish kits were $250. Polish barrels were made on Steyr hammer forging machines. Romy barrels are chrome lined. The Polish underfolders look the bad assest but the Romy's seem to be just as accurate. They're still pretty reasonable on Gunbroker. $750-$1000 for built rifles. Arsenals go for more.

January 04, 2013, 21:51	#17
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	I like the Romy G's, but I hate that goofy front handguard.. I'd have to deep six that thing... Building my own makes sense to me. At least I get what I want right out of the gate... There's always something I don't like about someone else's rifle, ya know? __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

January 05, 2013, 11:03	#19
MontanaGrant Registered FALaholic #: 52664 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MT Posts: 221	I will say that if you can find a Wasr at a decent price and can examine it for "problems" that can occur with any AK, they can be good guns. I've had 4 (down to two) and all have worked fine and actually been my most accurate AK's. Overall, I've looked at a LOT of AK's, owned quite a few, and they're all generally pretty good as long as you know what to look for: abnormal "binding" when checking the bolt carrier, canted trunnions, FSB's, gasblocks,etc. You will enjoy whatever AK you get, they're all a blast.

January 05, 2013, 21:24	#21
thejeep Registered FALaholic #: 68456 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: midd, VT Posts: 17	WASR 10/63 made by the ever popular century arms I believe would fit the bill. the stock sets look like ass but they work. the tapco trigger is squishy but I don't have issues with it personally. fitted mine with arsenal stuff to make it look like an AK-74 side folder. I'm happy with it. one note I may be mistaken but the WASR 10 was made to take single stack mags and no muzzle device. the 10/63 has a ground out magwell to take normal mags and a threaded barrel. most are simply called a WASR 10. got mine around the 300~400 range best of luck finding one at a decent price these days.

January 06, 2013, 13:09	#22
msnyder Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1085 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: USA Posts: 2,859	Here's a pic of the Romy G I built from a $100 Bocefus kit and NDS3 receiver. It has a Texas Weapons Systems top cover and US made furniture. Need to paint that front brake and put a sling on it. Almost too pretty to be an AK but I like it and it shoots great.

January 06, 2013, 17:04	#23
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	MSnyder, That's a freakin good looking rifle! I'm not looking for something that nice I'd drag mine through the dirt behind my truck a few times to Commie it up a little, I think.... Or pour some acid on it or something... Dang that thing looks like it should be framed or something. Stalin's probably flipping in his stinkin grave right now! __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

January 06, 2013, 17:33	#25
homelandprotector Registered FALaholic #: 16592 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 6,161	Get a VZ58......they don't need rivets. __________________ We need about 3000 Ron Paul's in Washington.....HLP

January 06, 2013, 21:00	#29
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	Jason, i'm looking at Romy G kits now. Look good, factor in a NoDak, some wood, and a few parts made in the good ol' USA, I start thinking I shoulda done this a year ago! Yikes! __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

January 06, 2013, 21:01	#30
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	Jason, i'm looking at Romy G kits now. Look good, factor in a NoDak, some wood, and a few parts made in the good ol' USA, I start thinking I shoulda done this a year ago! Yikes! I might have to sell a Luger or two to afford this build! Sick, huh? __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

January 06, 2013, 23:36	#31
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,782	You're cheapest bet would be a romy g on an nds3. I like mine. Getting anything right now is kind of rough unless you can find a good deal. My kit cost me like $125 and the receiver is only like $60ish I think. Luckily some fellow falers helped me put it together. __________________ “The people are the best guardians of their own rights and it is the duty of their executive to abstain from interfering in or thwarting the sacred exercise of the lawmaking functions of their government.” -William Henry Harrison “I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth will starve in the process.” -Benjamin Harrison Ron Paul 2008. Wtf happened people :( God Bless Texas!

January 07, 2013, 00:49	#32
Drtrumpet Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 32722 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,215	If you intend to build, look for an NDS1 or Armory USA AKM receiver. These do not suffer the dimensional issues the NDS3 is fought with. The NDS3 rivet holes were patterned after the SA85 and will not line up with the Romanian rivet holes precisely. It is better to drill your own rivet holes so they match your kit. The NDS3 also has issues with the FCG pin hole dimensions, which cause disconnector engagement issues that are falsely attribute to the tapco FCG. The issue is a receiver issue. Avoid the NDS3 if you can.

January 08, 2013, 00:02	#33
ExCdnSoldierInTx Registered FALaholic #: 65552 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Anna, Tx Posts: 670	Nick, you make me sick! Don't tell me what you paid, I get pissed off! LOL I've heard I hould go with the Nodak1 not the 3 with this kit because of dimensional isues. Question: should I buy the "deluxe" with the tunnion holes drilled, or just the basic and drill my own? As far as everything else goes, I want this to be a p.o.s. looking piece of kit when done.. __________________ Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

January 08, 2013, 02:15	#34
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,782	While i've had no issues from mine, which has a g2 trigger in it. I would never try to steer someone towards an nds3 over an nds1. I'll probably build my last kit on an nds1 if I can ever get my hands on one. Looks like nodak no longer even sells nds-3 receivers. The guys that make me sick are the ones that bought nice fal kits for $100 and imbel receivers for like $150 I missed that boat. And the cheap surplus ammo boat. __________________ “The people are the best guardians of their own rights and it is the duty of their executive to abstain from interfering in or thwarting the sacred exercise of the lawmaking functions of their government.” -William Henry Harrison “I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth will starve in the process.” -Benjamin Harrison Ron Paul 2008. Wtf happened people :( God Bless Texas! Last edited by dirtyrice; January 08, 2013 at 02:21.

January 08, 2013, 19:18	#35
sHeavy Registered FALaholic #: 66468 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Sedalia, Missouri Posts: 11	I would get a Yugoslavian M70AB2, to be honest. Built like handheld tanks.

January 08, 2013, 23:20	#36
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,782	Yeah bust most of the kits you'll find now are pretty well used vs a practically new romy. __________________ “The people are the best guardians of their own rights and it is the duty of their executive to abstain from interfering in or thwarting the sacred exercise of the lawmaking functions of their government.” -William Henry Harrison “I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth will starve in the process.” -Benjamin Harrison Ron Paul 2008. Wtf happened people :( God Bless Texas!

January 09, 2013, 00:37	#37
STGThndr Registered FALaholic #: 14583 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Southern Colorado mtns and desert Posts: 3,409	Ditto on the Yugos. Some don't like em but theyve been a problem-free "platform" for me- however they arent parts compatable with other, lesser AKs, nor do they have chromed barrels. They are (subjective experience) accurate and sturdy. The Chinese MAK90s are great too and have the chromed barrel. There are several places that sell wood for the angle cuts, both stamped and forged recievers. Ironwood Designs being one of them that Ive done business with. I went with the forged thinking it would be more a "last forever" sort of thing tho I dunno how much difference it really makes and won't live long enuff to find out. __________________ Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B Yeats Last edited by STGThndr; January 09, 2013 at 00:48.

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