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Old May 18, 2017, 06:06   #1
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New Jersey Police Suing Sig Sauer

Looks like the NJ police aren't happy with their SIG P229's. Is it that they aren't maintained by the PD correctly?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...tioning-p229s/

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Our good friends over at The Trace are running a story this morning about SIG SAUER’s P229. Specifically, how the New Jersey police claim that it’s a jam-tastic pile of junk. The unspoken question is, “if SIG SAUER can’t make a P229 that doesn’t jam, how can their new P320 be good for the military?” Well, let’s take a look at the facts of the case and see what’s up.

The SIG SAUER P229 was designed and created in response to the need for a more compact version of the P226. Folks like the Navy Criminal Investigation Service wanted a gun that was just like the P226 used by Navy SEAL teams, but more compact so it could be concealed and carried while on the job.

To that end the P229 is a chopped down P226 with shorter barrel and nearly identical frame and grip.

The firearms experts at The Trace claim that the P229 had a “reputation for jamming,” citing a handful of forum posts by anonymous individuals on the internet as proof of a widespread and well known issue.

If that were the standard of evidence required in court cases Donald Trump would be in jail for treason and genocide by now. But I guess The Trace is comfortable using these posts this way since it fits their narrative of a “flawed from the start” firearm that New Jersey was “duped” into purchasing.

To be fair they did cite one of our own reviews where the writer noted the handgun had a tendency to jam if not properly maintained. Later in the same article (after The Trace’s pull quote) the reviewer stated that when maintained in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendations the firearm works flawlessly. But that part didn’t make it in The Trace’s post.

The New Jersey State Police chose the P229 in 2014 and started placing it in service. Almost immediately there were reports of “failures to extract” or “FTE” malfunctions. That’s a situation where the handgun is unable to remove the spent cartridge from the chamber of the firearm. This causes a subsequent round to be fed behind it, locking up the firearm and requiring the operator to clear the malfunction before the firearm will work.
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Well,

The New Jersey Gestapo deserve every malfunction they get. Hopefully this gets thrown out unless they can show the defective pistols.

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I'll go along with that. As an aside, IIRC in the mid 1980's the NJSP adopted the H&K P7 which was not a conventional choice. Just my opinion but I think a P series Sig is a step back from a P7. I realize P7 cost is a deal breaker.
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The Vermont State police have been using P228's for years. I've never heard a complaint on these. I can't see where there would be much difference in their functioning. But I could be wrong.
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The Vermont State police have been using P228's for years. I've never heard a complaint on these. I can't see where there would be much difference in their functioning. But I could be wrong.
I have a p228 that I bought from a police trade in. It seemed to be lightly used and since then I've put about 3000 rounds through it of varied ammo including some questionable reloads and it refuses to fail. Not 1 malfunction. Also it's extremely accurate and has the best single action trigger of any stock gun I've ever had.
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Most cops could phukup a bowling ball and have no interest in guns whatever.
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Most cops could phukup a bowling ball and have no interest in guns whatever.
Their interest in guns is typically focused on confiscation rather than function.
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New Joisey cops shouldn't have guns in the first frigging place. Particularly if they aren't smart enough to operate 'em correctly. Leaves more for us and as far as I'm concerned it's all good.
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New Joisey cops shouldn't have guns in the first frigging place. Particularly if they aren't smart enough to operate 'em correctly. Leaves more for us and as far as I'm concerned it's all good.
I was still living in newjerkistan when it's statzpolizei went from wheelguns to that HK P7 squeeze cocker junk. Within the first year they had 16 recordable AD's with that wunderwaffe.... and more than that in unrecordable AD's. A state polizei named Lomanaco was killed by a career criminal with 9MM bhp and shot the cop dead with 13 hits. What these goons in jerkistan grubermint did was go on another antigun crusade and never showed the fact the cop was shot as soon as he exited his patrol car and never had a chance to draw his own pistol.... regardless of it being a wunderwaffe or a wheelgun. He simply got ambushed by the scumbag.
This crusade got the statzpolizei of newjerkistan to get the HK squeeze duche that only had an 8 rd mag with one up the spout. A whopping 3 more boolitz than their previous wheelguns . alot fo shooting scores suffered for some time. And the crappy remington hollow point ammo they had then was virtually ball ammo with a hole in the nose. It might expand or deform if it hit a brick.
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I had the HK P7 as a duty weapon while working in Germany. It is quite a deal to get used to it, and a lot of the folks I trained with were having issues with
it.

It was a love/hate relationship at best. It requires a lot of practice, and qualifying once every 6 months does not do it. That gun is a learning experience.

Ours was also a P7M8. 8 rounds plus one up the spout does not do it, especially
when there are double stack nines.

Later on I adopted a Para Ordnance P1445 as an off duty weapon, it was not that fantastic as being big and bulky, but it was a better gun than the P7.

I would rather gotten a Glock 17 or 19 with a single stack mag in 9mm than the P7.

Also, on another note, I thought that the P7 was unsafe, as quite some AD's happened and we had a sand bucket when racking rounds in and out.
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it seems like you had German language classes in school or adopted it somewhere.

It is "Staatspolizei" and "Wunderwaffe".
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I had the HK P7 as a duty weapon while working in Germany. It is quite a deal to get used to it, and a lot of the folks I trained with were having issues with
it.

It was a love/hate relationship at best. It requires a lot of practice, and qualifying once every 6 months does not do it. That gun is a learning experience.

Ours was also a P7M8. 8 rounds plus one up the spout does not do it, especially
when there are double stack nines.

Later on I adopted a Para Ordnance P1445 as an off duty weapon, it was not that fantastic as being big and bulky, but it was a better gun than the P7.

I would rather gotten a Glock 17 or 19 with a single stack mag in 9mm than the P7.

Also, on another note, I thought that the P7 was unsafe, as quite some AD's happened and we had a sand bucket when racking rounds in and out.
I feel for you having had to carry that squeeze cocker of death HK. The couple Newjerkistan "staatspolizei" I personally knew hated it and as you felt it quite dangerous. I heard stories of bullet holed lockers and patrol cars where such was never officially reported...politicis you know. The only one time I handled one and shot it with ball ammo ( my friend had to account for his issue ammo ) I was not impressed and it seemed to me it was almost a sure thing to have an AD without a gob of handling... and even then.
I've never understood the german passion for striker fired pistols ( the main exception being the P38 ) . All the added gizmos and "safety" features always seemed to wrong a right .
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Looks like the NJ police aren't happy with their SIG P229's.

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On a tangent... the state is run like a corrupt little NYC. It's 99% liberal demoratzi. About 10 - 12 years ago there was a $100 or $300 million dollar transit train rolled out that was gonna save all kinds of money with it's tech wonders yadda yadda yadda. I think it was still that scumbag Floria as gov then. Anyhow one o fmy younger brothers was in the NJ Transit at the time and was one of the guys that right after all the propaganda pics and pomp and ceremony the new engine was promptly cut up and scrapped. Never a peep at the 100's of millions of bucks squandered & embezzeled on the taxpayers dime. And nary a soul held accountable for that.
This is how dirka dirka east coast liberal cities roll... the corruption , the deception and the lies are SOP with politicos there. It's no small leap to see how something as small potatoes like the squeeze cocker of death came to be the zeig heil standard of the staatspolizei of newjerkistan.They all want their cut...and apparently SIG did not grease enough palms.
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The New Jersey Gestapo deserve every malfunction they get. Hopefully this gets thrown out unless they can show the defective pistols.

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+1. As someone who was profiled by the New Jersey cops because at my last duty station in New Jersey, before I retired, I moved into a nice neighborhood while driving a POS old Honda. For six months New Jersey cops followed me from the time I entered the city limits until I reached my apartment.

I guess the bastards thought I was some drug pusher from Camden. They were too stupid to see the uniform I wore every day.
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The SIG SAUER P229 was designed and created in response to the need for a more compact version of the P226. Folks like the Navy Criminal Investigation Service wanted a gun that was just like the P226 used by Navy SEAL teams, but more compact so it could be concealed and carried while on the job.

To that end the P229 is a chopped down P226 with shorter barrel and nearly identical frame and grip.
....is this not actually the P228 that they refer to with the P229 being a milled slide (not "folded") version of the P228.... the P228/M11 has a great reputation as I recall.
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Sig's replay to the complaint:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...olice-lawsuit/

STATEMENT REGARDING NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE

May 21, 2017 – Sig Sauer, Inc. is aware of the lawsuit recently filed by the State of New Jersey regarding its purchase of the Sig Sauer P229 model handgun by the New Jersey State Police (NJSP).

The NJSP selected the Sig Sauer P229 handgun as its new duty weapon after conducting an in-depth review and exhaustive testing of available handguns. Sig Sauer developed a version of the P229 specific to the requirements of the NJSP, and delivered to the NJSP as scheduled in the summer of 2014.

Following delivery, the NJSP informed Sig Sauer that it was experiencing failures during qualification training with their training ammunition. Sig Sauer immediately began working with the NJSP to determine the cause of this failure and resolve the issue.

Sig Sauer’s investigation of the failure mode indicates a contributing factor may be a compatibility issue between this unique NJSP P229 and the specific training ammunition used by the NJSP. Importantly, these failures were limited to the training ammunition used by the NJSP, and the P229s functioned when using their duty ammunition.

Sig Sauer had been diligently working with New Jersey officials to resolve the issues associated with the P229 handguns it purchased. In light of these discussions, Sig Sauer was surprised that New Jersey filed a lawsuit. Sig Sauer is committed to customer satisfaction, and stands ready to continue these discussions and work with NJSP to reach an equitable solution.
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Sig Sauer was surprised that New Jersey filed a lawsuit. .
Those whacky newjerkistan liberal libelous scumbag demoratzi apparatchniks.... In newjerkistan Lawyers are like dogshit.... all over the place and willing to sue each other let alone an entity perceived to have deep pockets. I've seen people show up to contest speeding and running a stopsign .... and win as they hired glutonous lawyers that managed to spew legalese vomit. Sure it cost the people probably $1k or more easily to beat a $175 to $400 ticket , but it saved them hundreds more on insurance as no points on their licenses. It's all about the money with the liberals...and always someone elses' money.
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I guess the bastards thought I was some drug pusher from Camden. They were too stupid to see the uniform I wore every day.
You were a uniformed drug pusher from Camden......
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You were a uniformed drug pusher from Camden......
That's a good one.
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Also, on another note, I thought that the P7 was unsafe, as quite some AD's happened and we had a sand bucket when racking rounds in and out.
Like most things in life, one person likes something ... the next person doesn't. That's perfectly normal but a P7 being notably unsafe I find surprising. Please educate me.
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Our P7's could be fired in two ways....one being the way of applying pressure to the squeeze cocker and then pulling the trigger till the gun discharges.

The other way being keeping the trigger pulled all the way and then applying pressure to the squeeze cocker till the gun discharges.

I've seen this happening more than once on various P7's.
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On one instance I recall an officer having a live round in the chamber, he was squeezing the grip / wedge and the gun discharged, without him having a finger on the trigger.

Fortunately it went into the sandbucket, but we all got a little jumpy....
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Our P7's could be fired in two ways....one being the way of applying pressure to the squeeze cocker and then pulling the trigger till the gun discharges.

The other way being keeping the trigger pulled all the way and then applying pressure to the squeeze cocker till the gun discharges.

I've seen this happening more than once on various P7's.
Three ways to fire a H&K P7 (features designed into the gun); Squeeze cocking lever, pull trigger. Pull trigger, squeeze lever. Squeeze lever, pull trigger at the same time. This is per instruction manual which came with new firearms.

"On one instance I recall an officer having a live round in the chamber, he was squeezing the grip / wedge and the gun discharged, without him having a finger on the trigger. ..."

If indeed a P7 discharged by squeezing the cocker without touching the trigger .... something was VERY mechanically wrong with that gun. In any case P7's have pretty much left the carry world and have entered the collector world. Even the early 7 shot police turn ins with the butt mag release have become pricey.
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Three ways to fire a H&K P7 (features designed into the gun); Squeeze cocking lever, pull trigger. Pull trigger, squeeze lever. Squeeze lever, pull trigger at the same time. This is per instruction manual which came with new firearms.

"On one instance I recall an officer having a live round in the chamber, he was squeezing the grip / wedge and the gun discharged, without him having a finger on the trigger. ..."

If indeed a P7 discharged by squeezing the cocker without touching the trigger .... something was VERY mechanically wrong with that gun. In any case P7's have pretty much left the carry world and have entered the collector world. Even the early 7 shot police turn ins with the butt mag release have become pricey.
All is good that ends well...let the P7 squeeze cocker of death become a "collectible" as the marginal thing it twas.
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All is good that ends well...let the P7 squeeze cocker of death become a "collectible" as the marginal thing it twas.
I could not agree more.
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All is good that ends well...let the P7 squeeze cocker of death become a "collectible" as the marginal thing it twas.
Same shelf as the later generation Nambus?
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Same shelf as the later generation Nambus?
The Nambu types were a war trophy.. and awesome souvenirs. The squeeze cocker of death.... meh not so much. Only gotta have HK everything collectors will want those p7 boat anchors.
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The Nambu types were a war trophy.. and awesome souvenirs. The squeeze cocker of death.... meh not so much. Only gotta have HK everything collectors will want those p7 boat anchors.
You have made it more than clear you are not familiar with how a P7 operates and that you don't like them. Thanks for the input.
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You have made it more than clear you are not familiar with how a P7 operates and that you don't like them. Thanks for the input.
Your welcome , and don't forget to compliment Moonbat on his having used one of those junkers as an issue peice.
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I was talking to a friend recently about a SIG that I am working on. It seems that the jelly roll type roll pin that is used to retain the firing pin was getting eaten away by the firing pin. This caused the firing pin to lock up solid in the slide. I called SIG to get a replacement and they said, "sorry, all roll pins are allocated for production and none are available for repairs." This is at most a .03 cent part which I am sure they purchase these by the thousands and there are probably hundreds on the floor in their production facility waiting to be swept up and thrown out by the cleaning crew. Seriously, all the 3 cent parts are allocated for production? Being that they are made just up the road, I hear lots of stories from employees there that would make me never want to buy a SIG. The friend I was talking to related a story about the head of NICS having to go to Exeter to get SIG to honor warranties on their pistols.
Piss poor customer service.
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I was talking to a friend recently about a SIG that I am working on. It seems that the jelly roll type roll pin that is used to retain the firing pin was getting eaten away by the firing pin. This caused the firing pin to lock up solid in the slide. I called SIG to get a replacement and they said, "sorry, all roll pins are allocated for production and none are available for repairs." This is at most a .03 cent part which I am sure they purchase these by the thousands and there are probably hundreds on the floor in their production facility waiting to be swept up and thrown out by the cleaning crew. Seriously, all the 3 cent parts are allocated for production? Being that they are made just up the road, I hear lots of stories from employees there that would make me never want to buy a SIG. The friend I was talking to related a story about the head of NICS having to go to Exeter to get SIG to honor warranties on their pistols.
Piss poor customer service.

Must be a rare case. I never had any complaints dealing with them.

I only own two SiG's, one being a 1911, the other a 226. Both work.....
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Your welcome , and don't forget to compliment Moonbat on his having used one of those junkers as an issue peice.
Thanks, buddy. I had a P7M8 for over 12 years as a duty pistol, was glad to get rid of that thing.

The P1445 was quite a bit better regarding handling, plus it used the .45ACP.
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Old June 04, 2017, 14:40   #34
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H&K made the P7 in a high capacity format, the P7M13 I think they called it. Our Highway Patrol issued it but not for more than a couple of years. Friends said that they moved on to something else because the operating mechanism was so different from anything else and parts were both horribly expensive and unobtainable. I had a P7M8 for a couple of years and just never could warm up to it.
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Old June 04, 2017, 21:36   #35
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Buff, what I got from our armory sergeant, if a P7 needed to go to the factory for repairs, it was gone for on average 4 weeks, sometimes more.
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