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Old December 23, 2012, 02:48   #1
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Buddy just wouldn't listen about mags...

Old Marine buddy wouldn't listen about mags and dropped me a line all in a panic about M1A mags (he has a National Match and a Socom)
And FIVE MAGS...

This after me telling him for TEN YEARS....

I have enough to cover him if necessary and not truly miss the 10-20 he wants, but I'd rather make him buy them and (hopefully) learn a lesson.

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Old December 23, 2012, 06:04   #2
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Five mags should be enough for almost any situation. I might just suggest if you friend is worried that won't be enough, get some stripper clips and keep some of his spare ammo in bandoleers. 5 mags got me through 13 months in Viet Nam and I ran a heck of a lot of ammo through my M14.
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Old December 23, 2012, 09:24   #3
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Five mags should be enough for almost any situation. I might just suggest if you friend is worried that won't be enough, get some stripper clips and keep some of his spare ammo in bandoleers. 5 mags got me through 13 months in Viet Nam and I ran a heck of a lot of ammo through my M14.
"almost any situation" including feeding 2 rifles for the next 20 years?

Mags are semi disposable items, and your experences in Vietnam and mine in Iraq have little to do with a retired Marine's civilian situation..

Thank you though...
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"almost any situation" including feeding 2 rifles for the next 20 years?

Mags are semi disposable items, and your experences in Vietnam and mine in Iraq have little to do with a retired Marine's civilian situation..

Thank you though...
My suggestion , was only in the absence of mags. I don't think you can have too many. Personally I keep a 50cal ammo can loaded with 16 mags in each for each of my M14s and more for M16s. I keep a few spare boxes of 10 CMI mags in standby. I am a firm believer in buying all you can and then a few extras. Sorry for leaving my post to misinterpretation.
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Make his dumb ass pay full price for the shit.

Its the only way he will learn his lesson.

Maybe he can score some Pro-Mag's for double-price.

Besides, what does he think he's gonna do with five more M14 mags, that he can't already do with the five he has already?
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Make his dumb ass pay full price for the shit.

Its the only way he will learn his lesson.

Maybe he can score some Pro-Mag's for double-price.

Besides, what does he think he's gonna do with five more M14 mags, that he can't already do with the five he has already?



EXACTLY------ I have enough mags for every gun I own [except a polyteck 223 AK]
Im not buying,,at Inflated prices, I have over 100 HK91 mags I got for a Buck and a Half each.. I may take a half dozen to the next gun show and see if I can GOUGE someone at $25 bucks each -hahah
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Mags

I agree with ArtBanks on this but it also might be old habits in the Corps. die hard thing here. I usually keep at least 10 min. for each of my M-1A's and 20 for the 6920's, and 10 for each FAL. But in all reality i sure haven't needed them since RVN but is out Country changing ???????? Make him pay the full price and remind him of all the times you advised him on this.
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Springfield still has M1A mags. Limit 3. Put him up to 4 for each rifle... hope nothing breaks in the next ten years...
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As I used tell my wife...."you can't be too rich, too good lookin' or have too many mags".

Unfortunately, she's my "ex" now...guess I spent "too" much on that stuff....
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My suggestion , was only in the absence of mags. I don't think you can have too many. Personally I keep a 50cal ammo can loaded with 16 mags in each for each of my M14s and more for M16s. I keep a few spare boxes of 10 CMI mags in standby. I am a firm believer in buying all you can and then a few extras. Sorry for leaving my post to misinterpretation.
I've got 108 or 110 twenty rounders and am down to 2 M1A's...

I'll take care of him if need be, but I'd RATHER make his dumbass pay and hopefully learn....

I'll send him to spri gfield armory.
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I'll take care of him if need be, but I'd RATHER make his dumbass pay and hopefully learn....
If your going to let him stick it in without a fight, at least make him buy you dinner.
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I've got 108 or 110 twenty rounders and am down to 2 M1A's...

I'll take care of him if need be, but I'd RATHER make his dumbass pay and hopefully learn....
Hell, if you are going to be an enabler with the mags, I can get an M1A easy !

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Hell, if you are going to be an enabler with the mags, I can get an M1A easy !

I don't think you are one of the guys I was in Iraq with...
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Old December 25, 2012, 08:49   #14
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I don't think you are one of the guys I was in Iraq with...
He's still a helluvaguy, notwithstanding. I'll swear to it.
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Old December 25, 2012, 10:05   #15
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Imagine what is going to happen when food supply is stopped and the stores are empty in 3 days.

This "crisis" is no different than any other where supply and demand take a huge shift. And those who have had different priorities with their money will immediately blame those who were wiser and feel entitled to what they have. They are "hoarders" and that is A Bad Thing and so their property should be confiscated for the benefit of those stupid, slothful, idiots who made different choices.

I'd tell your buddy - though shit dude - you made a man's decisions, now live with a man's consequences.
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Heres some for $35/ea on MP.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342414

May be all sold check it quick.
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“Make his dumb ass pay full price for the shit.”

“I'd tell your buddy - though shit dude - you made a man's decisions, now live with a man's consequences.”

Whew, I'm just not feeling the love on the old Files today. I understand what everybody is saying, and agree completly. I just hope you don't cold-shoulder this dude and then need him to watch your 'six or something. My neighbor is not as well prepared as I, although he has a lot more experience (former military) than I. I fully expect to have to partially equip him if the SHTF, even if it is just ammo. I am OK with that. But, he is not getting it BEFORE the SHTF.
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“I fully expect to have to partially equip him if the SHTF, even if it is just ammo. I am OK with that. But, he is not getting it BEFORE the SHTF.
I fully expect to equip my teenage daughter. Not a grown man. His supposed military service makes his behavior now even more inexcusable.

How about food? You gonna feed him too?
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I fully expect to equip my teenage daughter. Not a grown man.

His supposed military service makes his behavior now even more inexcusable.

How about food? You gonna feed him too?

I want the bullets, guns, magazines, the food, daughter if she is good looking.
where's da beer too?
you wouldn't happen to have a new corvette or veyron too woodja?
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I want the bullets, guns, magazines, the food, daughter if she is good looking.
where's da beer too?
you wouldn't happen to have a new corvette or veyron too woodja?
Better watch it, lest GP break the glass on the Dad Cudgel.

She is a nice-looking young lady, and whenever he posts video of her, I always enjoy imagining her prospective beaux meeting her father on the First Date night.
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I fully expect to equip my teenage daughter. Not a grown man. His supposed military service makes his behavior now even more inexcusable.

How about food? You gonna feed him too?
Yes, I would if necessary.

And give him a place to sleep.

There are several I'd do that for, and several who would do the same for me.

I do not expect a person like you to understand.
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Yes, I would if necessary.

And give him a place to sleep.

There are several I'd do that for, and several who would do the same for me.

I do not expect a person like you to understand.
I can see both sides here - I have friends who I'd backstop on certain issues similar to your instance. I would rationalize it as those same follks would be bringing skills or inventory to the table that I don't have.
But GP is also right - if the man is supposedly experienced and disregarded the advice of a brother in arms, I would most certainly make him pony up on his own at this point in time, as much for his own benefit as yours.
Time enough for the brotherly love ( and believe me, I am NOT knocking or mocking, here ) when the options have shut down. Get his butt in gear now - you'll be doing him the greater favor. Backstop him in an emergency for sure, but now ain't the time, IMHO.
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Yes, I would if necessary.

And give him a place to sleep.

There are several I'd do that for, and several who would do the same for me.

I do not expect a person like you to understand.
As an intelligent, rational, responsible grown-up, you're right, I don't understand the parasitic nature of your friend, nor your irrational desire to change his diapers for him.

And Cav, you know she'd kick your ass without breaking a sweat . . . (grin)
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I fully expect to equip my teenage daughter. Not a grown man. His supposed military service makes his behavior now even more inexcusable.

How about food? You gonna feed him too?
Actually he is the one with the big garden. I have enjoyed many tasty vegetables from it. I am the one too sorry to plant a garden but spend my time and money playing with guns & ammo instead. I should say that he is diligently trying to build an effective and efficient armory on a working class family man's salary. He just may not have the time left to do so.
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Okay, now we have more of a quid pro quo situation. It would seem that you are developing something of a mutually supportive relationship. If that is indeed the case, donating ( or selling at pre panic prices ) a couple of mags then makes sense. Pretty difficult ( if not near impossible )for one person to cover ALL the bases, so give and take becomes mutually advantageous.
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Did he go to Springfield in time to get his allotment of thre3 mags? Using the buddy system (which I am not against) you could have helped him obtain six more... You wouldn't be out and he would be better off. Many hands make light work and all.
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The impression I got from your original post was a guy who had other priorities suddenly - after your 10 years of warnings - wanting you to bail him out. Now you are softening it in his defense in which case I wonder the point of your original post.

I have had many people over the years say words to the effect of "I know where I'm going in a crisis" meaning the place where someone else has done the prepping. My answer is the same. You'd better bring something of value or you will be turned away or shot dead. And something of value is in addition to your own supplies. A mutual aid society is a good thing.

A bunch of welfare losers looking for protection and a free meal . . .? That ain't gonna happen.

And it will be very interesting to see how all those people with high tech skill sets find nobody in need of computer repair or teleprompter reading. Or lawyers, or bankers, or accountants or financial advisers and stock brokers or any other high dollar high tech jobs that make people today think they have value. What happens when the power goes off?

Now the redneck hick who knows how to run a still . . .. he will become a GOD.
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Yes, we hit Springfield up. Thank you.

So far as my Additiude and treatment towards him... He was a dumbass, and I told him so.

However, unlike you gunplumber: I KNOW I cannot stay awake 24/7, nor do I believe I can keep a 360 peremiter... Nor could I do it (for long) with my daughter (if I had one).

People are a resource, and one who is proven is the best kind of resource.

Do I EXPECT to go back to wearing battle rattle and sleeping on the ground?
Nope

That said: shouldneedsmust, I have several Marine buddies who know we can count on each other. If we need ammo, mags, food, or loose a job and need a place to sleep.

Won't stop us from tormenting each other nearly unmercifully about it!


He's not a parasite... He's just not the sharpest knife in the drawer. That said, (he is a master carpenter) I'd bet mags to donughts when I start building my cabin in the spring he will be right there working, without being asked.

Some people know how to watch each others six.
But I can STILL try to find him some others rather than depleting mine!
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I have 4 mags for my M1A; I am comfortable with that. I've been wanting to pick up some more, but money's been tight, so now...I also want at least one 5-rd mag, and a 10 or two.

When I shoot, I usually do 5 or 10 round strings, so the mags I have should last the rest of my life. Smaller mags would also save wear on the 20s.
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Centerfire systems still lists the Korean made M14 mags at $25-something a piece. Don't know how good they are. Probably better than none,I reckon.
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Nomad, being that the guy is a close friend I'd help him out to. But I'd only give or sell him 5 or 10. If his priorities weren't right before what makes you think he won't sell them for a huge profit when they hit $50 plus? And by the way, 5 mags ain't going to last you a life time guys.
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The impression I got from your original post was a guy who had other priorities suddenly - after your 10 years of warnings - wanting you to bail him out. Now you are softening it in his defense in which case I wonder the point of your original post.

I have had many people over the years say words to the effect of "I know where I'm going in a crisis" meaning the place where someone else has done the prepping. My answer is the same. You'd better bring something of value or you will be turned away or shot dead. And something of value is in addition to your own supplies. A mutual aid society is a good thing.

A bunch of welfare losers looking for protection and a free meal . . .? That ain't gonna happen.

And it will be very interesting to see how all those people with high tech skill sets find nobody in need of computer repair or teleprompter reading. Or lawyers, or bankers, or accountants or financial advisers and stock brokers or any other high dollar high tech jobs that make people today think they have value. What happens when the power goes off?

Now the redneck hick who knows how to run a still . . .. he will become a GOD.
Well, I'm guessing that a person who can bring the power back ON under local control might have something to bring to the party, and that probably wont be some antifreeze-drinking redneck. Just sayin.

As to the magazines, I'd be inclined not to (help him out), no reason the lesson shouldn't start right now. Better for him in the long run anyway.
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Well, I'm guessing that a person who can bring the power back ON under local control might have something to bring to the party, and that probably wont be some antifreeze-drinking redneck. Just sayin.
He'd have to find a way to make it shut off again without his constant ministrations. Otherwise people will soon forget his value.
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He'd have to find a way to make it shut off again without his constant ministrations. Otherwise people will soon forget his value.
You may in fact have a point there .. sadly ..
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100 mags won't get you by.............. if you don't have the ammo to go in them.
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100 mags won't get you by.............. if you don't have the ammo to go in them.

28,000-29,000 rounds of 7.62x51 enough?

If not I have 'a little' 5.45, 7.62x39, 30-06 etc...

(And a Dillon, pair of RCBS, and a Lee...)
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You must be planning for a long defensive fight.
More like shooting at 2004-2007 prices...
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Used to be around here, if a friend was down and out, you helped him, you know, like "I will not let my brother fail" especially seeing he covered your a$$ in some sh!t hole country while fighting for an ungrateful nation. I'm surprised someone didn't tell you to tell him to keep an eye on his wife/girlfriend. Then it's like "Well you should have listened to me and watched her" when you get caught hittin it.

That's great your Marine friend will go so far as to help you build a cabin. I'd hook him up with some mags. You have over 100 and you're worried about letting some go? That's pretty crazy.
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Old January 13, 2013, 20:59   #40
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You got that many mags and you are fretting about selling your buddy a few mags?
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Old January 13, 2013, 21:02   #41
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You got that many mags and you are fretting about selling your buddy a few mags?
The essence of entitlement. He's got what I want, so he has to part with some.

It is irrelevant who has what. If the OP wishes to part with some, that's his business. But his original post (remember? Re-read it!) said

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Old Marine buddy wouldn't listen about mags and dropped me a line all in a panic about M1A mags (he has a National Match and a Socom)
And FIVE MAGS...

This after me telling him for TEN YEARS....

I have enough to cover him if necessary and not truly miss the 10-20 he wants, but I'd rather make him buy them and (hopefully) learn a lesson.
So while he has changed his tune significantly, it started out as (paraphrased) "I've told him for 10 years to buy more mags and he refused . . . am I a bad guy for making him find his own and pay current market price"

It no longer amazes me, but any time a question of supply and demand comes up, people who ordinarily beat their chests on how rugged and independent they are, turn into a bunch of sniveling commie pinkos.

He has
I want
GIVE! (or buy at a price representative of yesterday's value).

There comes a point where poor decisions must hurt, in order to learn from them and grow. As long as we enable poor decision-making on the part or friends (or strangers) by insulating them from the consequences of them, they will continue to make poor decisions.

I love you brother, so I'll let you buy mags on the open market at today's prices. Now when I admonish you to prepare for an unstable future, you will. And in so doing, fill the roll of "man."

A helping hand when one falls on hard times not of their own doing . . . that is charity. Bailing someone out of their bad decisions is not charity. It is enablement.
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Old January 13, 2013, 21:54   #42
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The essence of entitlement. He's got what I want, so he has to part with some.

It is irrelevant who has what. If the OP wishes to part with some, that's his business. But his original post (remember? Re-read it!) said



So while he has changed his tune significantly, it started out as (paraphrased) "I've told him for 10 years to buy more mags and he refused . . . am I a bad guy for making him find his own and pay current market price"

It no longer amazes me, but any time a question of supply and demand comes up, people who ordinarily beat their chests on how rugged and independent they are, turn into a bunch of sniveling commie pinkos.

He has
I want
GIVE! (or buy at a price representative of yesterday's value).

There comes a point where poor decisions must hurt, in order to learn from them and grow. As long as we enable poor decision-making on the part or friends (or strangers) by insulating them from the consequences of them, they will continue to make poor decisions.

I love you brother, so I'll let you buy mags on the open market at today's prices. Now when I admonish you to prepare for an unstable future, you will. And in so doing, fill the roll of "man."

A helping hand when one falls on hard times not of their own doing . . . that is charity. Bailing someone out of their bad decisions is not charity. It is enablement.
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Old January 13, 2013, 22:12   #43
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There was a Twilight Zone episode about a false alarm of a Nuclear Attack in some suburban neighborhood where one guy had a bomb shelter and lots of stored stuff.

All the people in the neighborhood were all fighting tooth and nail to get into the shelter and share the guys stuff, burning down their friendships with each other. The guy in the shelter burned his relationships with his neighbors because he had plenty of room and supplies to take care of all of them but would not let them in.

Then the crisis blew over because it was false alarm and they had to live with how they treated each other afterwards.

It's probably on Youtube these days like everything else


Glad to see you got your bud the mags
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The essence of buddy is taking care of each other regardless.
A buddy is on the same level. You are defining a dependent or a superior/inferior relationship.

Like my neighbors young teen son who said "I'm glad you're my friend". Woah! Hold your horses there, boy. We are "friendly" but we are not on the same level, so we cannot be "friends". I'd betray your trust in a heartbeat to your parents if I thought it in your best interest. Your agreement is irrelevant.

The OP modified his thought quite a bit. His "buddy" is going to help him in other ways. It therefore becomes possibly an equal exchange.

The moment a buddy assumes entitlement "regardless", he is no longer your buddy. This may be hard for some people to accept, but in tough times, it will be interesting how quickly their "friends" become parasites.

I have dozens of friends
and the fun never ends
that is, as long as I'm buying . . .

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I have dozens of friends
and the fun never ends
that is, as long as I'm buying . . .

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I rather prefer:

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
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yeah, that's really sweet. Easy for a guy who can create lunch by snapping his fingers. But I won't look into my starving family members' eyes and say "sorry you're all gonna die, but aren't you glad I gave all the parasites our sustenance? Take solace in me being a good Christian."

BTW, when Jesus sent his disciples out to preach the gospel and admonished them to bring or buy a sword (Luke 22:36), what was that for? Decoration? Or maybe his "love thy enemies" wasn't unto death. That you can kill them without hating them.
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Old January 13, 2013, 23:22   #47
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BTW, when Jesus sent his disciples out to preach the gospel and admonished them to bring or buy a sword (Luke 22:36), what was that for? Decoration? Or maybe his "love thy enemies" wasn't unto death. That you can kill them without hating them.
He answered your question in the very next verse - so why ask me?
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Actually, no he didn't, other than in the next verse agreeing 2 swords should be enough.

My question was rhetorical. I suppose you do not grasp the irony of using christian generosity argument to outfit someone to better kill others, and supporting it with "love thy enemies."
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Actually, no he didn't, other than in the next verse agreeing 2 swords should be enough.

My question was rhetorical. I suppose you do not grasp the irony of using christian generosity argument to outfit someone to better kill others, and supporting it with "love thy enemies."

So you think... Carry on.
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Old January 18, 2013, 16:27   #50
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M-1a mags price hike.

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So you think... Carry on.
Dammit, now they are $45.00 apiece for the korean copys?? I will find out tomorrow what the going rate is at the show??I bet the sky is the Limit??
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