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Old May 28, 2018, 14:02   #1
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G3 kit identification

I bought this kit on AKfiles. Seller wasn’t sure of origin, he thought it might be from Pakistan. Any ideas? The origin isn’t the most important but I like to know where my kits come from and do builds close to what they would have been. I just love to know the “story” behind my surplus.

The kit doesn’t really have any markings. The welds are definitely rougher than German kits but not horrible either. The receiver was cut so no mag well markings are left. The kit is painted a blue gray like HK paint though, which is kinda odd. I thought POF of Pakistan only used black paint.





Barrel is marked IBLT




Bolt carrier is marked with a C ? Maybe


Only marking on the bolt head is a G



Safety sear lever has XX Mark
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Old May 28, 2018, 19:34   #2
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My .02, the lack of markings makes it look paki. The addition of the tungsten weight in the carrier tells me the maker didn't short cut things and pakis tend to follow the prototype pretty well. For what it's worth.
Again, my .02.

Nice kit, regardless.
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Old May 28, 2018, 20:01   #3
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My .02, the lack of markings makes it look paki. The addition of the tungsten weight in the carrier tells me the maker didn't short cut things and pakis tend to follow the prototype pretty well. For what it's worth.
Again, my .02.

Nice kit, regardless.
It very well could be paki. A couple of guys on HKpro think it might be German. Did Pakistan make tungsten bolt carriers? Either way Iím pretty happy with the kit. Itís gonna make a nice build.
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Old May 28, 2018, 20:49   #4
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Did Pakistan make tungsten bolt carriers?
That's a good question and one I don't know the answer to. I know for a fact the Greeks did but Pakis? Idk. Again, only opinion, the pakis do well in making german copies, with or without a contract.
I've had German, Paki, Port, and Greek HK type stuff and the Pakis used few markings, right ahead of the Greeks. I've never seen a Greek kit to my knowledge. After some thought, I don't believe I've ever seen a Paki bolt carrier either. Lots of parts and furniture but no BC.
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Old May 28, 2018, 21:12   #5
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That's a good question and one I don't know the answer to. I know for a fact the Greeks did but Pakis? Idk. Again, only opinion, the pakis do well in making german copies, with or without a contract.
I've had German, Paki, Port, and Greek HK type stuff and the Pakis used few markings, right ahead of the Greeks. I've never seen a Greek kit to my knowledge. After some thought, I don't believe I've ever seen a Paki bolt carrier either. Lots of parts and furniture but no BC.
I never heard of a POF bolt carrier being tungsten filled but I donít have a lot of experience with POF parts kits either.

Itís an odd bird, thatís for sure. The machining on the bolt and carrier look really nice, like German ones. Then the welds on the trunnion and back plate are harsher unlike german G3s. Also the paint is an exact match to HK blue gray paint.
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Old May 29, 2018, 13:38   #6
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Enfield made the MP5, did they ever make a G3?
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Enfield made the MP5, did they ever make a G3?
Yes, Enfield did make a G3. I read on HKpro that the British SAS actually requested the G3 to be make into a G3K.

I doubt itís an Enfield kit. It would be marked top to bottom.
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I doubt itís an Enfield kit. It would be marked top to bottom.

Ah, what was I thinking.
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Well whoever made this kit, it made a fine G3 build.

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Old September 28, 2018, 14:40   #10
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Very nice! Range report when time allows please.
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Old September 28, 2018, 15:45   #11
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I have already taken to the range to test fire. It ran flawlessly. I just need to sand blast, parkerize and then Duracoat it.
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Finally Duracoated this build. Itís pretty nice.

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Nice looking rifle, my friend.
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Old October 15, 2018, 23:11   #14
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The IBL marking is consistent with German made barrel markings. Looks like you may have a German barrel and contract parts.
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G-3

Is their any Alpha codes on the furniture? Normally when a country sign's a contract to produce weapon from the EU, They have a 17 year agreement that dictates that they have to buy so many parts from the host company. Now granted, Most times when HK makes plastic furniture for their weapon for export, They leave out the Alpha codes in the square box's. I've had in the past ALLOT of HK, Paki and Enfield parts that had certain parts from HK Oberndorf, Germany. Most had basic marking's. Your barrel is German, Trigger pack is German along with the Furniture. From the looks of it, I would say it's possibly a GERMAN made export version. Where it went, Who knows for sure.

Back after the first Gulf war HK signed a contract with the UK to take over Enfield to correct the SA 80's and SA 85's which HK found 7 problems with those weapons and corrected them and also made HK weapons at Enfield for the UK MOD and the UK Police forces.Several years later HK's contract was up and turned Enfield back over to the UK Government. I had bought allot of stuff from Dan Shay when he started importing stuff from the EU and had access to the Enfield arsenal. Bought three MP-5 barrels from him, One was German three lug, Threaded 16 flute and the other two were the exact same except they were made at Enfield. He had also imported 10 HK 21E kits for his business partner who called me and asked if I wanted a HK21E kit for 16K. I passed as I was buying other machine guns that year.
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Old October 16, 2018, 06:10   #16
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Is their any Alpha codes on the furniture? Normally when a country sign's a contract to produce weapon from the EU, They have a 17 year agreement that dictates that they have to buy so many parts from the host company. Now granted, Most times when HK makes plastic furniture for their weapon for export, They leave out the Alpha codes in the square box's. I've had in the past ALLOT of HK, Paki and Enfield parts that had certain parts from HK Oberndorf, Germany. Most had basic marking's. Your barrel is German, Trigger pack is German along with the Furniture. From the looks of it, I would say it's possibly a GERMAN made export version. Where it went, Who knows for sure.
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No codes on the furniture. Where ever it went , it was rode hard and put up wet. It had a good amount of rust and wear. I think it was definitely a German export rifle. Whether it was exported as a complete rifle or a parts kit to be built, I donít know.
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Old October 17, 2018, 14:09   #17
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Nice looking build indeed! Well done sir, you've got a beauty there, and great conversation starters regarding the "unknown" history.
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