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Old September 17, 2018, 18:55   #1
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Paddle mag release- school me

So a friend and I were talking about the paddle mag release. He thinks he's seen some in CETME kits. Was this a conversion ever done on the Spanish rifles? What HK rifles is it correct for? When did this upgrade come about? I'm sure it is preferable to the standard CETME release but if it's not correct I don't think I'm going to do one on mine.
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Old September 17, 2018, 20:04   #2
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So a friend and I were talking about the paddle mag release. He thinks he's seen some in CETME kits. Was this a conversion ever done on the Spanish rifles? What HK rifles is it correct for? When did this upgrade come about? I'm sure it is preferable to the standard CETME release but if it's not correct I don't think I'm going to do one on mine.
I'm not exactly sure what the question is...

The standard Spanish CETME and the German G3 both had paddles...

The 'commercial' versions for the US had the changes...

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Old September 17, 2018, 20:11   #3
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the paddle was removed because it shared an axle pin with the full auto lower. Although on the Modelo C and the early Santa Fe's they kept the front pushpin but re-positioned it.

The paddle is vastly superior to the push button in ergonomics. I highly recommend it. But I'm not accepting any new HK work right now, and Jayson is backlogged too, and RDTS sucks*, so I really can't think of anyone.

*I actually have to thank that piece of shit Ralph for f-cking me over enough times that I was forced to learn to do it myself (correctly) instead of subbing it out to him to screw up.
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I'm not exactly sure what the question is...

The standard Spanish CETME and the German G3 both had paddles...

The 'commercial' versions for the US were neutered to remove the front push pin and the paddle went with it.

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The paddle mag release was introduced in 1958 on the CETME model B. (middle)

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The paddle is vastly superior to the push button in egonomics. I highly recommend it. But I'm not accepting any new HK work right now, and Jayson is backlogged too, and RDTS sucks*, so I really can't think of anyone.

*I actually have to thank that piece of shit Ralph for f-cking me over enough times that I was forced to learn to do it myself (correctly) instead of subbing it out to him to screw up.
I was thinking about having him replace a triple tree with a slightly bent sight hood but decided against it based on cost. Good thing I did, as you are not the only one I've heard speak negatively of RDTS.
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I was thinking about having him replace a triple tree with a slightly bent sight hood but decided against it based on cost. Good thing I did, as you are not the only one I've heard speak negatively of RDTS.
The metal is rather soft, like L1A1 sight wings, and I have a tapered mandrel for reshaping them. I'd try that before replacing it entirely.
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It seems I really need to get my head wrapped around the clip and pin process then, as there is a lot going on in that area with mag releases, shelves, ect. I need to see if I can borrow a commercial rifle from someone locally so I can get it in my hands to study.

The illustrations and the information help, thank you all. RTG sells all these fixtures and I've spent some coin there, I think a call in that direction may help me a bunch too.
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It seems I really need to get my head wrapped around the clip and pin process then, as there is a lot going on in that area with mag releases, shelves, ect. I need to see if I can borrow a commercial rifle from someone locally so I can get it in my hands to study.

The illustrations and the information help, thank you all. RTG sells all these fixtures and I've spent some coin there, I think a call in that direction may help me a bunch too.
While you may be the type that needs "hands on" to understand something (I've no idea, just making a point) all of the information you need to learn about the shelf location, push pin bushing location, grip pack and grip frame modification, clip and pin, and the procedures to accomplish all of them is widely available on the internet. Even precise locations measurements are out there. HKPro.com and Google are your friend.
There's even copious information on the legalities of such.
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IMHO, the paddle release is key for any caliber of these rifles.
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Heck, any rifle with a cam-lock magazine, regardless of caliber. It turns a two-handed operation into a one-handed operation.

Heck, I wish the AR and SCAR had a paddle instead of being a push lock. One handed removal AND RETENTION of magazine. But then, I subscribe to the guerilla fighter philosophy that I don't have a mag is not an expendable item. To abandon out of necessity, sure. But not to practice discarding it, as some of these silly nincompoops do today in their "tactical" training.
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While you may be the type that needs "hands on" to understand something (I've no idea, just making a point) all of the information you need to learn about the shelf location, push pin bushing location, grip pack and grip frame modification, clip and pin, and the procedures to accomplish all of them is widely available on the internet. Even precise locations measurements are out there. HKPro.com and Google are your friend.
There's even copious information on the legalities of such.
I've been into a bit. I recognize the value of the Internet as a reference it's just I am a homebody and don't get off this forum at all really. In this case I am going to need to. It will all really start to come together when I start the first build I suspect. Meanwhile I will continue to watch videos and may even branch out to other forums. (shudder)
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The metal is rather soft, like L1A1 sight wings, and I have a tapered mandrel for reshaping them. I'd try that before replacing it entirely.
That's good to know. The deformation is slight enough that it doesn't disturb the sight picture or annoy the crap out of me. Cheers.
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