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Old January 03, 2018, 16:50   #1
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So.. Who actually makes decent receivers?

Just picked up an Aussie l1a1 on the trader and now I need a receiver. Doing research it seems DSA now sucks, but also COONAN now sucks. I do not really want to put a metric receiver on an inch gun. And I know how people look down on century receivers.

Who is currently making receivers that do not cost an arm and a leg($600+) that would be in the Aussie pattern?

I did a search on google before posting this and found only 10+ year old threads.
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Old January 03, 2018, 16:56   #2
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No body.
For Aussie you need to hunt down an older DSA, but it probably wont be under $600.
As far as I'm aware, there are no current production receivers with a good quality track record.
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Old January 03, 2018, 17:11   #3
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Enterprise ABNI? None are going to be cheap. You can roll the dice with a DSA. Send it back if it doesn't work
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Old January 03, 2018, 18:34   #4
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I've wondered for a while, how's it so damn hard to make a quality receiver?

These guns have been around for almost 70 years so I'm not seeing what the issue is.
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Old January 03, 2018, 19:30   #5
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I've wondered for a while, how's it so damn hard to make a quality receiver?

These guns have been around for almost 70 years so I'm not seeing what the issue is.
1 million machining steps to start with + its not a easy one to make. Level of difficulty is right at level 10. Where an M14 would be level 6 and a rem 700 would be level 1 and an ar-15 would be level 0.6 . The amount of machining and cost of machines/tooling makes it not worth the effort for for the few sales. Add to all the other hassles the heat treating that took FN a few years to get right on production guns
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Old January 03, 2018, 19:36   #6
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1 million machining steps to start with + its not a easy one to make. Level of difficulty is right at level 10. Where an M14 would be level 6 and a rem 700 would be level 1 and an ar-15 would be level 0.6 . The amount of machining and cost of machines/tooling makes it not worth the effort for for the few sales. Add to all the other hassles the heat treating that took FN a few years to get right on production guns
Ok, so what is DSAs excuse
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Old January 03, 2018, 20:07   #7
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Danus ex had three in the MP, two DSA and one Coonan.
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Old January 03, 2018, 20:15   #8
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You'll find what you want when you get ready to either lower your expectations or save up a few more bux.
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Old January 03, 2018, 23:45   #9
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Getting depressing

I have been reading the files for a few years now hopeing to get some info on a Israeli HB kit i have been holding for 20 years, Is there any way to build up one of these kits without spending a fortune (yes it big, heavy and clunky but still) PS my kits came with factory barrels so thats one less cost Any thoughts would be appreciated Graywolf
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Old January 03, 2018, 23:53   #10
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Hold out for an Imbel receiver, they come up - build it yourself or send it off to one of the reputable builders here - cost will with tools be about the same as getting it built - get it built! Good luck and do it! Imbel receiver $600+, build perhaps $350+!
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Sadly it's not worth it to tie up a CNC machine to make an FAL receiver. Can make far more money doing other things on it.
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Old January 04, 2018, 09:55   #12
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So were all the Coonan l1a1 receivers bad? I'm eyeballing the one in the trader due to the price but it seems everyones avoiding it and after reading horror stories I gotta admit I'm shying away. I'd much rather have one with a near correct lightening cut than an imbel.
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Old January 04, 2018, 13:53   #13
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So were all the Coonan l1a1 receivers bad? I'm eyeballing the one in the trader due to the price but it seems everyones avoiding it and after reading horror stories I gotta admit I'm shying away. I'd much rather have one with a near correct lightening cut than an imbel.
I built on one trouble free. Take it with a grain of salt though, its just a sample of one. I've read the horror stories as well.
Actually there is one thing Im keeping an eye on, after 400 rounds the ejector has a rounded indent where the empty case impacts. Not a receiver issue, an e-block issue as the coonan is a single part, not a design I care for.
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Old January 05, 2018, 02:25   #14
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Hold out for an Imbel receiver, they come up - build it yourself or send it off to one of the reputable builders here - cost will with tools be about the same as getting it built - get it built! Good luck and do it! Imbel receiver $600+, build perhaps $350+!
After spending 600 for a Imbal (assuming i can even get one , than 350 to assemble and 150 to 200 to finish the metal and wood would i have way more into it than it is worth even if i wanted to sell it someday or is this type of a build really a money pit? Appreciate anyones opinions Graywolf
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You won't get any more than the parts are worth when you sell it. The build is down the drain. Weird I know, but it's the way it is with FAL's.
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After spending 600 for a Imbal (assuming i can even get one , than 350 to assemble and 150 to 200 to finish the metal and wood would i have way more into it than it is worth even if i wanted to sell it someday or is this type of a build really a money pit? Appreciate anyones opinions Graywolf
That's the rub. Most of us here don't have to pay the $350 for assembly and still have more into these rifles than they are worth. It's the love not the ROI.
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Old January 05, 2018, 11:58   #17
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Thanks for the wealth of information. I may try to grab that Coonan from Dan in the trader. I'd much rather have an inch on an inch gun as I already have an l1a1 with an imbel metric.
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There were some Imbels that were inch; as in they took inch mags. I don't know if they came that way from Imbel or if someone converted them. I have one on my Ausie and I love it. I would not trade it for a DSA, Coonan, or Entreprise receiver. Imbel is a licensed built in spec receiver. It does not have the correct lightening cuts for an inch rifle but that is purely cosmetic and insignificant in my biased opinion.
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There were some Imbels that were inch; as in they took inch mags. I don't know if they came that way from Imbel or if someone converted them. I have one on my Ausie and I love it. I would not trade it for a DSA, Coonan, or Entreprise receiver. Imbel is a licensed built in spec receiver. It does not have the correct lightening cuts for an inch rifle but that is purely cosmetic and insignificant in my biased opinion.
I too have an IMBEL inch receiver, looks like a metric type 3 on the outside, but all inch [dust cover, charging handle cut, L1A1 magazine] where it counts. It's forged and made extremely well. If you can find one, you can't go wrong building on an IMBEL inch receiver.
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Hmm. Well this has been depressingly informative. I have a really nice Aussie kit I happened into a couple of years ago. I guess it's either build on a metric or not at all unless I get lucky.

Is there anyone even producing a not-so-good inch receiver at this point?
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Old January 18, 2018, 01:15   #21
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Thanks for the wealth of information. I may try to grab that Coonan from Dan in the trader. I'd much rather have an inch on an inch gun as I already have an l1a1 with an imbel metric.
Aw mate If I were you , I would put a want to buy ad In the market place for a Enterprise sporter Abni . Almost everyone on this board are hoarders and are sitting on little piles of treasure . Iíve purchased A L1A1A Lithgow cross flag marked receiver just by asking also a few older dsa and four enterprise receivers , yep your going to pay but you will get tip top stuff and as the L1A1 market is still down I think what you pay today for a quality receiver will be worth far more down the road plus the pleasure of not settling for non Aussie cut receiver and shooting your Aussie rifle

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1 million machining steps to start with + its not a easy one to make. Level of difficulty is right at level 10. Where an M14 would be level 6 and a rem 700 would be level 1 and an ar-15 would be level 0.6 . The amount of machining and cost of machines/tooling makes it not worth the effort for for the few sales. Add to all the other hassles the heat treating that took FN a few years to get right on production guns
Yet a small dinky factory manned by illiterate poop-flinging monkeys in a third world shithole seems to make them without QC issues using only rocks and bones as tools.
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No.

DSA had a run last summer, FUBAR'd a large majority of them according to some. No news of any future runs.
You can try to contact coonan and see if they are willing to squeeze you in their last L1A1 run.
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Yet a small dinky factory manned by illiterate poop-flinging monkeys in a third world shithole seems to make them without QC issues using only rocks and bones as tools.
You got my attention. Can you provide an example. I would really like to see a khyber FAL.
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Coonan stopped taking orders Dec 31. They are done.

Well, that is one less thing GP will bitch about.....
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Well, that is one less thing GP will bitch about.....
I have another customer with one of Coonan's oversize locking shoulder holes. Coonan Inc refused to replace it.

So I will make another video. And it will go all over Youtube and Facebook, and here. And then Greg White (CEO of Coonan, Inc.,) will get butthurt that his other sales are suffering when people learn that Coonan Inc., sells defective crap - and has a "f-ck you" warranty. And then he'll send me another letter saying they don't know what I'm talking about, never heard there was a problem, and of course they'll fix it.

And then we'll repeat the whole thing in another couple months.

Because either Greg is stupid, and can't do math. Or I am I.

I'm not a math wiz, but I did take a class in financial and managerial accounting in college, and I do my own taxes. Whether you put a dollar into advertising or into customer service, or promotions, or COGS, it's still an expense that trickles down to the same line 31 on Schedule C.

So whether Coonan scraps and replaces their defective receiver at a imagined cost of $200 (and keeps a loyal customer they already have), or spends $200 in marketing to replace the loyal customer they've lost forever; the cost is the same.

Except it isn't. Because they are also losing customers they don't know about. As of today, I only have 542 followers on my Youtube Channel, and 1633 on the ARS Facebook page, but these are people who BUY. And there are quite a few people here on FalFiles who take my detailed analysis of products seriously.

So when I post a video like this one, even after Greg is shamed into doing the right thing, do you think it is a net gain or a net loss for Coonan Inc.? I think its an obvious net loss. So why would someone - just a couple months after going though this, again tell their customer "tough shit" over an oversize locking shoulder hole?

The only thing I can think of, is that it is a character issue. Some people have "getting over" so deeply ingrained in their character, that they won't do the right thing even when the right thing is less expensive than cheating their customers with defective products. Or maybe I'm missing something.

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Good video, Mark. Very informative. Will you make a similar one for DSA? METRIC? Inch?
I already made videos on DSA's mag fit issues - FAL & L1A1 part 1 & 2.

The DSA locking shoulder problem is in reviews section using photos.
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