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Old November 12, 2017, 17:00   #651
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YH, i would agree, anyone contemplating an attack on the US will employ overkill to make sure we don't get up. Which would suggest that more than 1 super EMP would be employed.

Sub launched super EMP weapons could cause some ambiguity as to who is attacking, NK? China? Russia? Iran? (container ship). This could delay a response enough so that multiple EMPs could be launched from separate areas, further degrading military hardened electronic systems. Once satellites, ground centers, ships, AEW aircraft are damaged, it could be difficult determining who is doing the attacking and stopping them.

One EMP would not be enough, an adversary would likely launch repeated EMP attacks, perhaps over days or weeks, to burn through whatever electronics remain and damage any new systems coming on line.

A wise man once said something like- destroy your enemy completely, lest he follow you home. Which is bad if you are on the receiving end.
I think I heard that said a few times, come to think on it a little, destroy your enemy completely, if ya go to their lands to wage war, or they will sure as hell follow ya back home and destroy you and yours.

Agree with normal actors, Russia and China, they can both destroy and also understand the retribution part, being MAD.

The short fat guy, which Trumpster did not call him this morning in the PI, funny as hell when a world leader trolls a dictator in public, is no where normal, nor the jihadist, both of them are stupid enough to let one fly and damn the response to their people.

Any country that starves to death millions upon millions of their own people, or any group that uses their own young children, as walking bombs, are more than capable of doing really dumb shit.
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Old November 13, 2017, 07:25   #652
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Hey, Huey, which of the PA plants did your friend identify as potential trouble ? I'm guessing TMI and Peachbottom for two, how about Limerick ?
I don't remember which, he has had a stable job past decade in university setting and likely not current as spent five years cleaning up Savanah River before went to university. It's actually amazing how much radioactive material is on average college campus for research. Especially if they have a medical school, veterinary school or large physics program.

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Well folks, again this isn't just about what an EMP hard strike does to America
it ends up killing likely multiple times the domestic fatalities abroad simply due to famines and yes, even in China.
Just MILLIONS of Gallons of American milk are turned into powder and sold overseas
It's not just Grains
We ship tons of Pork to China as well

not just that either
think Tennis Shoes
most run leather uppers
where is the leather sourced from ?
mostly American stockyards...it's a huge agricultural export to China.

While Liberals whine you will notice every time Trump goes overseas everyone kisses his royal White ass
shit the Chinese made Obama walk out the ass end of Airfarce One but treated Trump like the Lost Manchu Emperor.
Same happened with the Arabs

Part of this is Who he was prior to becoming President
Blacks in Deepest Darkest Africa knew who Trump was

but the bigly part is he scares the shit out of some people overseas

Anyways here's one to think about:

so let's say we did get slammed with a massive EMP strike that took the nation off line, fried most everything not in a grounded Faraday cage.
What are the contingency plans for a boomer counter strike...
it's not like they are going to be in much if any contact with the command structure back home.

I know years ago there was a post apocalypse type of communications system that used sonic vibrations transmitted through the earths crust into the oceans to reach the sub packs that was used by both NATO and the Soviets. We had one of those stations next county over, Extra Low Frequency {ELF} repeater that was decomisioned maybe 14 years ago now.
Huge, mostly underground facillity that's currently abandoned.
I think we should only elect Presidents with enough crazy genes and business sense to scare our enemies to death. America began with Statesmen running the country, would leave their farm or business, go take a turn at the helm then go quietly back to their business or farm. Trump is the perfect man for us right now as nobody has a clue what he might do if pushed. I like that United States found Teddy Rosevelt's "Big Stick" method of diplomacy again. Do what we say or we may bomb you into the stone age. Fear is the world's best motivator. I really enjoy the new scandal per day coming on The Hill as retrobates and criminals activities are not being covered up as much by this administration.

Navy still operates their SLF and ELF transmitters for talking to nuclear missile subs running in deep water. They can get launch commands even if sitting silent on bottom of the China Sea or under the polar ice cap. I believe the Clam Lake transmitter in Wisconsin is still up and running along with who knows how many still classified sites. Navy's highest classified submarine facility is in Idaho. It's rumored they have under land passages to large lakes hundreds of miles inland. The conspiracy folks and some scientists say the Navy is operating underground bases in Nevada that submarines can navigate from ocean to using underground aquaducts. I would assume with most of earths surface covered with water the Navy has programs as odd as Air Force and NASA. At least I hope they do. I would have a fleet of submarines double what we admit to with ten times the capabilities imaginable.

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If I were supreme ruler every piece of WWII equipment that survived the war would be in storage and basic maintenance pulled every year. Battle ships would be dry docked and sprayed with an inch of cosmoline along with all other oil burning, black powder shell launching vessel. All B17's and B24's plus P51 Mustangs, Corsairs, etc would be in steel and concrete underground bunkers. Even all our old vacuum tube radar and radio systems would be boxed up so if EMP wiped our modern equipment we could revert to WWII equipment quickly. Dumb bombs, 50 caliber machine guns and propeller driven aircraft beat the crap out of F22's that have their brains wiped. Like M1's, M14's, Browning 30 caliber machine guns once we paid for it and upgraded the old stuff would be greased up and put in one of the many empty warehouses we have sitting around. Once paid for why discard if proven to kill wholesale in WWI, WWII, Korea of Vietnam. I have Nam era ground radar for detecting moving people and seismic sensors that understand many smaller fire bases in Afganistan would be proud to have right now to detect close enemy to their fences. Right now buying one generation old military equipment on fleabay. Why is it there? Should be saved.
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Aren't the ELF systems made up of long, long cables that would likely conduct an EMP pulse back to the transmitters, burning up the electronics?

Just speculating, but the hope was that the military would provide some protection after an EMP, but with the advent of the super-EMP or multiple EMPs, their total dependence on electronic systems may turn out to be the Achilles heel, the weakness we didn't quite realize, like the Death Star, that 1 small enemy could exploit.

Huey, i was thinking along the line you mentioned, about having 'obsolete' military equipment that was not dependent upon electronics, the principle being in the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

A lot of our military's old equipment was sent to third world countries in Asia, Africa and South America, where some of it still resides.

If the US were taken out by an EMP, it would damage the world economy significantly, likely causing a depression and a collapse of world trade, making nations compete and war over resources.

When the US suffers the effects of an EMP, if the military is rendered ineffective with damaged weapons dependent on electronics, who will have the military weapons that could still operate effectively, who will be the one-eyed man?

That man is likely south of the border, and they will flood this nation to loot and plunder.
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That man is likely south of the border, and they will flood this nation to loot and plunder.
There is at least a bit still north of the border in private hands

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Aren't the ELF systems made up of long, long cables that would likely conduct an EMP pulse back to the transmitters, burning up the electronics?

Just speculating, but the hope was that the military would provide some protection after an EMP, but with the advent of the super-EMP or multiple EMPs, their total dependence on electronic systems may turn out to be the Achilles heel, the weakness we didn't quite realize, like the Death Star, that 1 small enemy could exploit.

Huey, i was thinking along the line you mentioned, about having 'obsolete' military equipment that was not dependent upon electronics, the principle being in the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

A lot of our military's old equipment was sent to third world countries in Asia, Africa and South America, where some of it still resides.

If the US were taken out by an EMP, it would damage the world economy significantly, likely causing a depression and a collapse of world trade, making nations compete and war over resources.

When the US suffers the effects of an EMP, if the military is rendered ineffective with damaged weapons dependent on electronics, who will have the military weapons that could still operate effectively, who will be the one-eyed man?

That man is likely south of the border, and they will flood this nation to loot and plunder.

It would be like locusts coming across the southern border, which would require a shit load of ammo to deflect.
When the USA catches a cold, Mexico comes down with terminal cancer.
When a million starving Mexicans descend upon Tucson, Tucson will have a sudden change of heart on unfettered immigration.
I plan to put up signs, Tucson this way, everything is free and everyone is welcome, in Spanish.
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YH, locusts sounds like a good comparison. What happens when south and central America become like Venezuela? Who will they blame and where will they go? At least they might bring some Imbel and Argie Fals with them.

Yeah, a Mustang would be nice, might be difficult to keep gassed up though.
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Well, they will be walking at first as the EMP will get northern Mexico. Maybe good market for old cars from Mexico to the US. Like in one second after, Mexico may reclaim some territory. However, Fort Bliss may have something to say about that. The Abrams and Bradleys will probably still operate. Humm...maybe us down here will be under the local warlord.
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Well, they will be walking at first as the EMP will get northern Mexico. Maybe good market for old cars from Mexico to the US. Like in one second after, Mexico may reclaim some territory. However, Fort Bliss may have something to say about that. The Abrams and Bradleys will probably still operate. Humm...maybe us down here will be under the local warlord.
This border is about as gunned up here in AZ as I've ever seen, folks know, anything bad happens, we're on our own concerning fleeing migrating "locust".

One real nice thing about AZ, not a lot of large Mexican towns nearby the border, ones within walking distance, if no power for pumps and no water.
Local border ones will need to be redirected, but that can happen with a little work.

One second after, really means flipping the internal switch to "mean" mode, and leaving it there until such time as the masses weed themselves out of our gardens through natural selection processes.

Get through the first 30 days, most likely will be able to survive.
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YH, locusts sounds like a good comparison. What happens when south and central America become like Venezuela? Who will they blame and where will they go? At least they might bring some Imbel and Argie Fals with them.

Yeah, a Mustang would be nice, might be difficult to keep gassed up though.
If they ever overwhelm the BP, SO, etc, then its upon the citizens to step up and defend their own homesteads, banding together and dealing with the issues as they arise.

Other than the narco boys, they don;t have a gun culture south of the border, simply not the manpower and knowledge to organize and wage war.

Americans did in fact write the book on how to be plan ass mean and deadly when required.
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YH, locusts sounds like a good comparison. What happens when south and central America become like Venezuela? Who will they blame and where will they go? At least they might bring some Imbel and Argie Fals with them.

Yeah, a Mustang would be nice, might be difficult to keep gassed up though.
None of us could afford the maintenance. After the balloon goes up, no way to keep it running for very long.

Nice thought, though
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None of us could afford the maintenance. After the balloon goes up, no way to keep it running for very long.

Nice thought, though


I read that, as he meant a real horse, as in, a mustang horse, not a car!

Comes from having horses for over 30 years here.

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Add to the three purchased Monday after Vegas shooting, the two Gen 3's purchased when word was they were square and that's eight Gen 3 Franklin Binaries. Have a Gen 2 and a Gen 1 that both run but the Gen 1 has to be babied. Have a pair of the initial Gen 1 Echo triggers with the super light springs they were sending to Utube reviewers and Bloggers. The Echos are in wife's 5.7×28's and will run as long as you let the rifle bounce a little by holding it a tad loose.

Have four AR 10's but in oddball cartridges and thought with all the M1a's, FAL's/L1a1's, CETME's, H&K's didn't need a NATO cartridge AR 10 and the two parts groups have put back are going to another non standard cartridge. Have pair in 338 Federal, pair in 6XC and next pair is most likely going to be 7mm-08's. With the super cheap Palmetto AR 10's ready to run plan is to watch the Black Friday through after Christmas sales and pick up a pair of Palmetto AR 10's in 308. Also looking for a hammer forged 4150 heavy barrel with flutes for lots of cooling surface area and melonite/deep salt bath treatment. Find right gas block and buffer setup along with good muzzle brakes and will have a pair of binary AR 10's.

Have been buying magazines already and have 25, 30 and 40 round AR 10 mags starting to pile up. Plan to bite the bullets literally and once know the rifles will run happy in binary buy at least one X Products 50 round drum for each rifle once burn out whatever barrel Palmetto ships rifles with to get a tough barrel with well engineered brake then stick a 50 round drum in each so have one at front door and one at back door. A 50 round binary mag dump of 7.62×51 to start the party might just terrify the Mexican gang bangers around here so bad ones that survive and their friends go back to Ol Mexico.

Guy about two miles up the road from me now has two 45-70 Gatlin Guns and ammo by the pallet. A Marine armorer about six miles up the road from me has belt fed H&K with lots of linked ammo. Says if SHTF and law was less important than living could make it go rata tat tat. That said he is like me waiting for the Franklin Binary for HK's. All those rifles dot mil didn't archive seemed to have ended up in the CMP program. Believe if world tries to go sideways except for the liberals that believe the police will protect them will be a lot of Garrards with black tips, M1a's and more AR's than can imagine pop up and no quarter shall be given. I had a client that till died restored WW II aircraft to 100% function. Those and more are hid all around the U.S. of A. without discussing the tank collectors. Believe there are plenty of hoarders that will make it a day of reckoning.
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i was thinking about the P-51 Mustang in the video, low tech and EMP resistant, but as stated hard to maintain and no spare parts. It would be hard keeping a mustang horse gassed up though, beans would be in short supply.

C2, would the Bradleys and M1s still function after a supposed super EMP, considering their dependence on electronics? If not, there is a tank museum around here with some intact Shermans, guns may not work though.
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Huey, lots of cool stuff, but during the 90's, when Clinton threatened to ban everything 'assault rifle' ish, i began to consider what it would take to keep the guns running with no outside resupply. What if mags, ammo, spare parts were not obtainable, what would it take to keep things going for 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?

Which is what we face with an EMP, no spare parts, no spare mags, no additional ammo (unless we take it from someone else), for the foreseeable future.

So what is best to stock up on? Considering the aftermath of an EMP there could be frequent encounters requiring firearm use for years and years. What goes away first? is full auto really a good idea? Considering no resupply, what you start out with is all you may ever have, where should the money be spent?
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Have over 100,000 capacitors, resistors and other electonic parts in Faraday boxes. Also ocilliscopes, meters and such to do repairs. If you require any specialized medical equipment then spare or double spares in Faraday boxes. Also someome needs the skills to repair electonics. We need tools and communications for situational awareness. Need air filtration to work so learn or recruit someone that lives in four hours walking distance of you. We have two doctors on list whos office is a 10 minute jog from house and both are distance runners. They live a 30 minute jog from house. I don't want to send people out to know what's going on around us. Why much of my perimeter alarm is Vietnam era and not prone to issues from EMP. Some will go back to pre Christ era technology with modern twist.

Hate to admit this but posted enough pictures that my belief is every household should have a dozen rifles can fight with along with small bore for small game and a few long range rifles. Each fighting rifle needs spare parts and enough ammo to run it till it quits. A good AR 15 will munch 20,000 rounds with maintenance. A M1a or Garrand is good for 10,000 but be sloppy toward end. My sniping rifles have anywhere from 700 round to 5,000 round barrel life. A 7mm Practical will smoke the throat before 1,000 rounds but is a rule changer. An AR 10 in 6XC will run 5,000 plus accurate rounds in the 800 to 1,000 yard range. So rifles and handguns to support however many people feel may adopt. I would consider a quarter million rimfire, 100,000 5.56, same in 7.62 NATO minimum. Am prepared to arm my dozen plus another if necessary.

When it comes apart have to think about all your friends and relatives that will show up, how many can you support? Any that are dead weight, turn away. Have one friend with zero conscious whose job will be to filter anyone not on the list. Many may get shot if protest not allowed in the house. But people with no skills or ability to learn will drag you down. Social liberals don't come in the door. One person on our list is a psychiatrist who says 9 to 12 people is maximum house can support without cabin fever causing us to kill each other. Have three houses inside 1/3 mile will either burn with residents inside if no help shows or sweep and use to house overflow. Yep, it will be a cruel world. Our shrink has two years supply of best mood leveling medication on market for at least 10 people on site. Says will prescribe based on how each person reacts to close quarters and stress. May just put in food supply.

Everything else is mission, region, situation specific. If bugging in or bugging out. We have created a home that bugging in is best solution, especially with health issues. My wife is in bad health but a dentist even in a wheelchair that can run the radios, surveillance systems and shoot is worth keeping. My job will be to train my replacement as in five years run out of the medications required to live. If have a medication you need to live, stockpile it. There are some better meds for my issues but have short shelf life. Use the ones that work but store longest. Main thing is have a plan and ability to be fluid as situation evolves. My plan is create a hive and then set it up to continue after they burn my dead carcass.
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Small DC low voltage devices will be less succeptible to an EMP as not generally attached to grid. Also can recharge batteries for a long time if know how to keep them sharp. Have rchargable NiCad batteries dated as going into service back to 2007 still in service. This is tail end of bi monthly battery check and charge cycle. Some just charged, others cycled three discharge/charge cycles and some run on refresh or break in cycles. This is my bedroom charging station, have another downstairs and one at work. Day one of odd months start battery duty.



Every flashlight, radio, remote control and any device that uses DC small batteries got fresh batteries last week and been charging all that came out plus dead ones that collect in the discharge baskets for two weeks. Larger batteries and tool batteries plus some small done downstairs and tool plus small needed at work done there. Whenever buy a new flashlight or device buy more recharges to go with it and write month and year put into service on them with sharpie marker. Even have rechargeable CR123 and button batteries. When all are charged and devices full have over 200 assorted size and type AA, AAA, C, D, CR123, etc ready to swap in as devices go dead.

One of these go in my pocket or on belt everyday in case phone runs low during the day so no worries about overusing phone. Have AA versions in all my overt vests with 5v output and a second with 12v output for backup power of radios, phones and other electronics.





Be ready to if whatever emergency hits to run your small devices without worry. Flashlights, phones, radios and such are as important as big generators for structures. I even swapped in fresh batteries for all the night vision and weapons lights. Have a system and list to ensure all are rotated regularly so don't find a device ruined by corroded batteries or picked up to use in a fight and weapons sight be dead or die in few minutes due to weak batteries. Knowing have enough flashlights and hot batteries to run a month as primary light sources before charge anything is peace of mind and can charge off my big battery stacks if grid down and don't want to run generators.
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Huey, interesting stuff, thanks for the info. Just wondering, how long until all the batteries run out of juice? Considering an EMP in which all the electricity is gone for the foreseeable future, no gas for generators, no spare parts for breakage, no repair or resupply available, how long can the batteries be recharged? Will solar cells survive an EMP? Deep cycle batteries will last for a while but eventually run out of cycle life, and there would be no replacement.

If one had limited resources to prepare, would wood stoves, oil lamps and candles cost less and endure longer?
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It looks like the gov is getting more concerned about NK missiles, Drudge article notes increased spending on immediate post launch interception by drones and IR missiles off F-22's, which could be a 1 way trip for the F-22 pilot. Concern is that NK is biding it's time and building multiple missiles so that it could swarm launch and overwhelm any defensive measures.
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Have five stacks with fifteen FAT100's per stack in standard 10 year telecom batteries. The 10 year lifespan is based on worst case circumstances of being installed in outdoor remote terminals places like Nevada wher temps in a sealed box of electronics and batteries with at most a fan that kicks on at 120° inside the terminal but may be pulling 108° ambient air through the cabinet. Same batteries may be installed in Montana or North Dakota where sitting in remote terminal exposed to -60° with 60 mph winds and only heat is what the circuitry makes and batteries as charge and discharge.

FIAMM brand FAT100's. Sell on street at about $400 each so $1,600 per string and $8,000 per rack not counting racks, charge controllers, chargers, inverters, big 24 volt DC capacitors and such make for a big investment. FIAMM batteries only have a three year warranty and like to go into thermal run-away if get hot and don't have the latest charge controllers.



Portalac batteries are much more durable than FIAM and my favorites. Majority of my standard telecom batteries are Portalac's. Picture below are 100 amp/hour and we handle these up to 185 ah/hr which totally suck to move around but normally we install 80 to 130 amp/hour batteries most of the time. I have a few FAT130's but use them for single string applications where need power for a small device that want to run a long time separate from my big stacks. The Portalac's are slightly cheaper than FIAMM, have 10 year warranty and betier unit overall out in the wild.



In addition to the five stacks of FAT100's have three racks of SAFT NiCads. At $7,000 per string and five strings per rack it's not an economical endeavor. Just the earthquake proof racks for battery stacks run $1,500 to $2,500 each. I sell an adjustible race that holds four strings of FAT100's or four strings of 28's wholesale for $795.

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If I run my HVAC in air conditioner mode and act like on whole house generator my stacks will keep me up for almost 24 hours. Have many systems on separate stacks such as BiPap ASV, ham radio shack, video surveillance systems along with radar and seismic sensors. Television and entertainment system is on a separate stack as well. If we run in conservation mode, only keep HVAC in positive pressure mode and draw minimal power necessary for critical systems, a few lights, etc we can go 72 hours or so before need to start a charge cycle. The little 2,000 watt inverter generators are almost silent and are great keep batteries topped off if run a few hours here and there.

Inverters have about 10% to 25% loss based in design. Use a mix of square wave, modified sine wave and pure sine wave for super critical equipment. Panic room has its own batteries which are separate from whole house battery system along with an Onan propane generator that has exhaust piped outdoors and pulls it's air from outside. All the lights are 12 volt along with television and other stuff from buying R.V./camper equipment from campers involved in wrecks or storm damage. Made it very power efficient.

Every beige box you see at intersection, entrance to a subdivision or industrial park has enough batteries to support their mission for ten hours. Then you have mini huts, maxi huts and CEV's which are basically a shipping container buried underground at critical locations with lots of circuits that might have over 100 batteries. All that's visible is a green box with HVAC unit and seven pin security lock. Pop the hatch and a ladder takes you twelve feet underground to a dry and warm enclosure 99.9999999% of people would never notice. This next picture will dissappear in a few days so don't get a spanking but anyone here bugging out or caught out and needs a place to disappear has some options.

This one is open and has one of my hoists attached for lowering new equipment in and hauling old out. One man can set up by bolt the regtangular upright to each side, slide aluminum I-Beam in tracks, put winch trolley and basket on, load basket on ground, raise load, roll box to hatch, lower load and repeat sending old battreris up each trip. Before I came along they used ropes, each CEV has a rope tied to top of ladder and would have two men pulling on rope or lowering while third held on to battery and kept it from beating ladder and cables to pieces. When discovered I was doing CEV's by myself and hitting two or three a day when a three man crew serviced one they began buying hoists. Now they are my best telecom money is making hoists for three separate companies.



Notice that if closed up it looks like a piece of Power Company underground equipment such as a big yard wart. (Transformer for underground power) If you are able to bypass a steel hatch made to same standards as sides and tops of most gun safes with seven pin high security lock and alarm sensor that must be bypassed would give the wandering person bugging out on foot a great place to hole up if able to locate and get in. Usually located in bunch of shrubbery or other landscaping that conceals location of most.

Maxi Hut, now see at celll towers not microwave. All the microwave have been stripped. At cell towers and major intersections have mini huts and maxi huts that have equipment that supports mission. If grid fails a scavenger could leverage locations near home even if a small one loaded with small 28 amp/hour batteries.



As an FYI, in non SHTF/end of civilized world to open an RT, CEV or Hut is a felony as messing with 911 system and homeland security equipment. People caught stealing from these telephone equipment enclosures almost always serve time in a Federal prison and carry a felony for life which means you don't pass background checks for CWL/CCW's or purchasing firearms. This info would be for leveraging after the world went totally sideways.
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Most of us have seen this before.
Chubs is going to die, just a matter of when, and what happens afterwards.
As to when, over the next 12 months is not looking too good for him.
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This rides with what I'd read elsewhere, in that these rods, in cooling ponds or not, are still deadly for a hell of a lot longer than our youngest members here and their great, great, great grand children.

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30 or 35 years ago, family and I were in Nuremberg when the plant cooked off in the Ukraine, its still a no go area and will remain such for a very long time.

The afternoon the nuclear sensors went off was a bad day where I worked, in that most all of us, had no idea what they were at first.

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That day, I learned that this shit can occur at anytime and without any warning, damned near anywhere.

Ugh!

one Ukrainian buddy lived very close, had to leave his home he built, his wife was a nurse caring for exposed brought to hospital, got throat cancer from dust on clothes of exposed victims


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Dec. 1, 2006 I had a F1 up close & personal ……. about 6 feet away ….. bounced off the glass french door on the west side of my home, was asshole lucky, no real damage
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We have the palo verde ??? plant up by Phx, that thing has a lot of us concerned if we ever loose power for those cooling pumps.
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Post EMP going to have to fix a lot of stuff and slowly get some transportation up and going. Even if EMP doesn't eat a 1960's F150 or old Dodge Power Wagon how many of those do you see anymore. There are at least 1,000 late model Honda Accords for every old mostly mechanical system vehicle still on the road. Spent this weekend doing a full coolant service on my 1993 Dakota daily driver. Getting long in the tooth, have newer trucks but it's my favorite with best high end stereo and combination of ham radios plus weapons locks. It's size and 4×4 make it nimble and easy on fuel. Dang if air cleaner, alternator, air conditioning compressor, mounting brackets for them, idler pully plus radiator shroud and fan with clutch do not all have to come out to get to water pump easily.

While had all those pieces off swapped the bypass hose, thermostat, a heater hose and clamps as if any of this go then have to remove most of the front and top of engine to access them. The Dakota was on factory installed water pump, thermostat, hoses, clamp and radiator. My 97 Ram with 360 eats a water pump every two to three years but is easy to replace but bought a spare just to have while at parts store along with all the service materials for both of them. Just did the diesel. After finishing the Dakota which started yesterday and finished after church today plugged the code scanner to OBD port.

When purchased the scanner wanted best I could get under $500 that did engine, transmission, chassis and brake codes. Is CAN, OBD 1 and OBD 2 compatible and had free upgrades through 2017. When finished with it brought it home and put in Faraday box in Faraday cage room. Ordered a new scanner for work that is OBD 1 and 2 compatible plus reads engine, transmission, chassis, brake codes including TPMS systems. Resets electronic parking brake sensors and Steering Angle Sensor. It also a car key programmer, odometer reset and talks to navigation systems along with vehicle Bluetooth systems and all the new modern crap in vehicles.

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This puppy was not cheap and is going in a Faraday box at work just in case have opportunity to mule the big service truck home post SHTF it will be one more tool to have in restoring existing items around the neighborhood from dead to working. Who knows, may find five dead Dodge trucks or eight dead Honda Accords and can rob parts from four or five to get one running but without a real scanner not going to make headway on these modern cars. Besides have friends come by wanting me to scan their vehicles for trouble codes and existing unit has no support for updates past 2017. Got my current update, used past year and now going in emergency Faraday box with ocilliscopes, logging meters and such to help resort as much equipment as possible post big EMP and end of civilized world. Man who can fix stuff will be worth his keep but tools to do the job are as important as the knowledge. Had to use three different obstruction wrenches this weekend.
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All of our secure briefings at that time kept telling us a small nuke had went off, but this is the first time I've heard that out in the public.

Some things, ya just got to run away from, this crap is one of those.
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Got one of the guys running sims for PV. We're using the Zr rod coatings as the model for particle size. Been busy on another problem but he has the core data ready to be put in the simulation ( given the heat of the burn the plume will rise several thousand feet). As for the atmospherics, he said we will first run the seasons (3 months) with the average High/Low pressure system location to give wind direction. He said a good idea of the general pattern is look at the data of ash deposit from the Yellowstone eruption. I talked to the Maricopa county emergency planner (no they really don't have a plan) so he is going to get me the tonnage stored in the ponds if we'll share the map. The results will be very general as we are not putting in the mountain effects or the thermal island effects caused by Phoenix.
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Got one of the guys running sims for PV. We're using the Zr rod coatings as the model for particle size. Been busy on another problem but he has the core data ready to be put in the simulation ( given the heat of the burn the plume will rise several thousand feet). As for the atmospherics, he said we will first run the seasons (3 months) with the average High/Low pressure system location to give wind direction. He said a good idea of the general pattern is look at the data of ash deposit from the Yellowstone eruption. I talked to the Maricopa county emergency planner (no they really don't have a plan) so he is going to get me the tonnage stored in the ponds if we'll share the map. The results will be very general as we are not putting in the mountain effects or the thermal island effects caused by Phoenix.
I;m 250 miles, maybe more, south east of the plant, with one mountain range after another between us, suspect the heavy stuff will fall out pretty quickly and the winds, most of the year, blow due east.

None of these folks really have a plan for something this large going off.

Kinda like the plans for a man made pandemic on the west coast, the old plan, seal off the western states, on a line from El Paso north to Canada along the eastern line of the Rockies, and everyone west of this line would be on their own.
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As much of this stuff as a person can pack away in their Faraday boxes along with meters and an ocilliscope or three the better off they will be post EMP.

Medium size capacitors and stuff. There are a couple of wide operating specification stiffening caps in this box which can take place of several plus be used in tandem with another blue to get whats needed.



Have half a dozen or so of these both in and out of Faraday storage. Some need to be handy for day to day chores.



Parts and repair tools for electronics will be very important to get generators and other necessary items back online. I do have two small generators in one of my Faraday rooms.
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Huey, once generators are up, how long before the gas runs out? Once the fuel for generators is used up, the batteries can no longer be charged, no more electrical power. Unless one has access to large amounts of fuel, and the ability to pump it out of tanks, how long can one expect the batteries and generators to last? And if no new fuel is made in refineries, there is a certain time when all electrical power ceases.

With the considerable resources you have, how long before the power runs out?
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YH, what about ground water contamination? Rods in pools will generate radioactive steam which is released into the atmosphere as the water evaporates, but will the radioactive material eventually melt through the containment floor and hit ground water? (China Syndrome) There could be radioactive steam generated from ground water that would be released upward, but could it also travel laterally, to contaminate large areas of underground water. (as i remember there is some evidence that there is some interconnection between areas of deeper underground water).
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YH, what about ground water contamination? Rods in pools will generate radioactive steam which is released into the atmosphere as the water evaporates, but will the radioactive material eventually melt through the containment floor and hit ground water? (China Syndrome) There could be radioactive steam generated from ground water that would be released upward, but could it also travel laterally, to contaminate large areas of underground water. (as i remember there is some evidence that there is some interconnection between areas of deeper underground water).
Out here, our underground water aquifers are separated by hundreds of miles, not interconnected, so no concerns over one contaminating another.
The particles causing trouble should be heavier and ??? sink to the bottom, and then not cause problems????
Water is a great shield against nuke stuff is my understanding.

Someone asked me why I don;t have a ton of solar here, got a little.
You asked about long term, after generators run dry.
Out here, seems every other building and all of the cell phone repeaters are covered in solar panels and equipment to convert power, batteries etc.

One of my "first" missions, if it all falls apart, will be to stage a raid on several of these locations.
Being in a very low density area, and having towers about every five miles, should not be hard to "borrow" whatever I can haul away.

AS in, when everyone else is raiding food stores, I'm raiding solar power out away from people.
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Huey, once generators are up, how long before the gas runs out? Once the fuel for generators is used up, the batteries can no longer be charged, no more electrical power. Unless one has access to large amounts of fuel, and the ability to pump it out of tanks, how long can one expect the batteries and generators to last? And if no new fuel is made in refineries, there is a certain time when all electrical power ceases.

With the considerable resources you have, how long before the power runs out?
Why have the bullet proof three phase military diesel, it will run off almost anything with a little work from old motor oil to rotten vegitable oil. Won't take long for hives to start refining some sort of biodiesel and/or ethanol and make appropriate alterations to equipment for use. We have at least a year to get some alternative fuel source brewing before will need it. Have two DC wind generators, solar cells and even a small DC turbine that attaches to storm drain and the overflow from gutters to rain barrels. Has about 200 feet of distance and 50 feet of elevation loss to where flue is currently located just abover Corp of Engineers line.

If SHTF will be running hoses for both electric and gasoline pumps to lake in case need to fight fire or have need for more water than well and rain barrels provide. Once we don't have to worry about Corp of Engineers enforcement can extend the run of pipe another 200 feet with close to 100 feet of elevation drop for water to gain velocity to turn turbine attached to DC motor similar to DC motors in the wind turbines. That's when it will really spin.

When first built and installed the wind turbines plan was to let them and the solar panels keep the battery stacks topped off. Issue was once they began to pick up speed in a stiff breeze sounded like a turbo prop airplane getting ready for take-off. Drove wife and neighbors crazy. I am deaf and didn't care, I liked them. But in the interest of peace and protecting my alternative power equipment took it down and put in Faraday storage. Would take three men a week or so to get the wind turbines, solar panels and small hydro turbine back in service. All has mounting points, all hardware, supports and tower sections. These are not the little DC power rigs you see on boats or hippies yards that were purchased off fleabay.

Used information from sources like these lunatics (site is deep if dig).

http://www.otherpower.com/learningcurve.html

Also found a lot of information at places like Instructables, Wind Works and others then used some DC motors in the 90 volt range so start making 13.8 volts pretty quickly as wind picks up. We are not in a normally windy place but spring and fall can be breezy then have to occasional summer and winter storms that bring wind.

Have a lot of water run off from the road in front of house that goes into a storm drain and behind house ties into the overflow from rain barrels so if have a lot of rain it can spool up the little DC motor in the turbine fairly decent. Throw in the ever increasing collection of salvaged solar panels and if a hive were to survive long enough could get it all out of storage and back in place once EMP is behind us and create enough electricity to at least run medical equipment and radios till sourced alternative fuel for the generators.

Over the years have dabbled in a lot of projects, got them up and running, made sure they were debugged and running well as could do as a hobbiest then put it away for day it's needed. If that day comes the combination of being able to leverage sun, rain and wind as well as run the small generators on alternative fuels would be able to at least have a weekly movie night along with comms, perimeter security system and other goodies. If survive the initial event and post event population adjustment, believe with the pieces laying about to start a hive could begin to grow. As took on more people, gather additional resources from around us and knowledge from the type people that would survive could be used to form a community. That is what mankind will do post whatever apocalypse, someone or a group will be prepared, that group will grow then communities will begin to cooperate (or take from each other but believe the thieving kind will get purged from natural selection pretty quick) and society restarts.
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OK, solar power sounds interesting, would an EMP cause any damage to the cells or the electronics that convert the solar energy to electric power?

If a bio-diesel or gas generator were operating at the time the EMP went off, would the generator be damaged? just considering more than 1 EMP event occurring, thanks for the info.
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Lets just say it will not do them any good.
I'm thinking the control boxes, not the panels or batteries, I hope.
I picked up three controllers, and packed them away in the metal cans.
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Huey, once generators are up, how long before the gas runs out? Once the fuel for generators is used up, the batteries can no longer be charged, no more electrical power. Unless one has access to large amounts of fuel, and the ability to pump it out of tanks, how long can one expect the batteries and generators to last? And if no new fuel is made in refineries, there is a certain time when all electrical power ceases.

With the considerable resources you have, how long before the power runs out?
If everything fails, and everything put away runs dry, stops running, we are back in the hunter gatherer time and circumstances until such time as the great die out occurs, then people will go back to the plow and horses, water powered mills for cutting lumber, and slowly building it all back up.

The so-called trick for all of this, be able to eat and drink, stay warm, safe, be lucky, and live through the greatest die off in human history.

Nothing for rebuilding will take place if all the power goes off country wide for more than say 2 weeks, panic will set in, people will go crazy, and once it takes hold, nothing is going to stop it from running its natural course.

Most folks have about three days worth of food on hand, and most of the water comes from operating pumps.

3 minutes without air.
3 days without water.
30 days without food.

Our system is designed to fail the rule of three's above, there is zero built in wiggle room with our system.

Anything that occurs within the rule of three takes place, ya die.

Everything we're discussing here, well pretty much, is simply going over how to mitigate the danger of death to ourselves and our families, until such time as the world is quiet and peaceful enough, to harness horses to plows, after we break the horses to pull a plow and make/forge a horse drawn plow.

Ya can't plant a garden, tend a field of corn/barley/oats/cattle, if you're holding an AR and standing guard over your family while the world around ya goes ape shit.

Its why starvation always goes hand in hand with warfare.
Along with the other three horses of the end times fame.

Beans, water and bullets, lots of bullets.
And a lot of pure luck.
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YH, excellent summary of the situation we face. I believe the time left to prepare is short, the damage will be extensive and long term. A few relatives are coming to the realization of what is possible if not likely, and considering the limits on resources i have attempted to advise them to prepare accordingly. I would agree that the best preparation for a long term period of power loss and the resulting chaos is simple and basic- food, water and bullets, and a lot of God- Ps 91.
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YH, excellent summary of the situation we face. I believe the time left to prepare is short, the damage will be extensive and long term. A few relatives are coming to the realization of what is possible if not likely, and considering the limits on resources i have attempted to advise them to prepare accordingly. I would agree that the best preparation for a long term period of power loss and the resulting chaos is simple and basic- food, water and bullets, and a lot of God- Ps 91.
Any EMP event becomes a survival event as the man said, one second later, can't separate the two in any conversation.
Be your own grocery store stock room, stuff in pantry, and stuff to replace stuff in pantry when used.
Need one, buy two or three.
Don't forget your medical, Emergency War Surgery and an up to date Merck Manuel. The SF medical handbook for war doc's ain;t bad to have on hand either.
These three will become the bibles in the event of an EMP.
Not all doc's are created equal, and they may need to "brush up" on stuff they ain't never done before in a pinch, and a layman, can learn from reading.
Make sure ya get the paper books on these, not the e books.

And look around, they can be found used, and cheaper than these listed prices.

https://bookstore.gpo.gov/products/e...n-epub-ebook-2

https://www.merckbooks.com/mmanual/index.html

https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Special-F...BTKHBXSK73980X
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With all the good info on the preps necessary for living in a world after an EMP event, something occurred to me the other day.

If an EMP effect is caused by a Coronal Mass Ejection, and it is sustained for a complete rotation of the earth, then the entire planet would be in the same boat. The effect would probably be a worldwide mass die off and the remaining humans living in world reminiscent of times past. How far in the past is the only question.

If an EMP in America is the result of an attack by another nation, and North America is the only area affected, how long do you think it will take before Chinese troops are landing along the west coast?

The problem will be that there will be very few ways for word to even get to most of you guys that don't live along or near a west coast port city.
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Old November 28, 2017, 21:33   #692
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With all the good info on the preps necessary for living in a world after an EMP event, something occurred to me the other day.

If an EMP effect is caused by a Coronal Mass Ejection, and it is sustained for a complete rotation of the earth, then the entire planet would be in the same boat. The effect would probably be a worldwide mass die off and the remaining humans living in world reminiscent of times past. How far in the past is the only question.

If an EMP in America is the result of an attack by another nation, and North America is the only area affected, how long do you think it will take before Chinese troops are landing along the west coast?

The problem will be that there will be very few ways for word to even get to most of you guys that don't live along or near a west coast port city.

To the first question, my best guess is somewhere around 1860, plus or minus 10 years.

Why would the Chinese bother with us after we got hit with an EMP?
At that point, they have already won???
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Old November 28, 2017, 21:55   #693
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To the first question, my best guess is somewhere around 1860, plus or minus 10 years.

Why would the Chinese bother with us after we got hit with an EMP?
At that point, they have already won???
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300,000,000 starving people, all armed to the hilt, would be easier for them to move on Russia, and they really got no way to get over here in mass, not like our subs will be out of action.

Naw, we get an EMP up tha ass, the world would be far better off leaving the wounded dog alone to die on its own.
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To the first question, my best guess is somewhere around 1860, plus or minus 10 years.

Why would the Chinese bother with us after we got hit with an EMP?
At that point, they have already won???
They don't want 'us' YH, but they may be interested in 'land and resources'.
They already have people, and they're all Chinese. BTW, between the Seattle area and Vancouver B.C., this is starting to look Chinese already.
They could completely replace the population of America with 25% of their population.
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90 to 120 days after the event, half or more of the population is dead, The rest are hanging on by their fingernails and maybe eating the dead. Cakewalk.
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I think it is possible that things won't stop at 1 EMP event. When nations see how easily the US was brought to it's knees by 1 or 2 EMP's, the use it or lose it mentality could take over. India and Pakistan would launch against each other, which could cause spill over effects into Russia and China. If Russia or China think they might be taken out they would launch against any potential adversaries like Europe and SE Asia. The remaining US forces might join in the fray not wanting to be the only ones taken out.

Could be like Snake Pliskin in Escape from LA, setting off a worldwide EMP system and putting the entire world back 200 years. Call me Snake.....
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They don't want 'us' YH, but they may be interested in 'land and resources'.
They already have people, and they're all Chinese. BTW, between the Seattle area and Vancouver B.C., this is starting to look Chinese already.
They could completely replace the population of America with 25% of their population.
They might be, but it would be a waste land, full of death and destruction.
The stink alone would be smelled world wide from 350 million deaths.
Nothing would work, whatever did not go down in the EMP event, would be destroyed by the survivors.
If they did move in, they'd wait for a few years.

An old General I was working for toward the end of my career, a real old soldier, and I were playing golf, and I said something about being worried about the Chinese or something to that effect.

He smiled and said simply, then stay away from them, or at least out of walking distance to mainline China. They got no logistics, can't move and feed their huge Army anywhere, except by foot or truck and mainly by foot.

Made sense.

You never see China nor Russia, or hardly any country, but the USA, rushing to disaster areas around the world.
We're about it for having the worldwide reach.

I'm far more concerned over Mexicans, vs China or anyone else.
The Mexicans can walk across the border and will, yea, they already do, if anything ever happens here EMP wise.
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It was just a thought. One more possibility.
Messicans are another threat, but they will also be affected by an EMP in the U.S.
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