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Old September 12, 2017, 20:52   #1
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This Marine sounds like Juanni..

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...r-endless-wars

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Old September 12, 2017, 21:19   #2
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All depends. Perpetual war has been an instinct before the modern era. Or since apes started pounding each other with bones or coconuts. He signed up. Look at antifags. They want a dust up and may win just like Stalin, Mao and Che. I say draft their ass and send them to the 38th parallel
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Old September 12, 2017, 21:21   #3
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Haven't you noticed? Those in "charge" don't seem to want to win wars,only enter them? And engage in them,in perpetuity...
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Old September 12, 2017, 21:54   #4
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Haven't you noticed? Those in "charge" don't seem to want to win wars,only enter them? And engage in them,in perpetuity...
I've been on a campaign against wars in a couple threads, but there is value in a nation as big and dominant as ours to be continuously engaged in small, hot, firefights. In this way we can always have a small group of veteran combat vets prepared to teach a million of us how to become veteran combat vets, should the need arise.

We need to pick those conflicts carefully, and be discrete about it. And I generally agree with your assessment.
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Needing a easy way out is the most common choice of paths taken,,, like doing nothing will keep you free 10 times out of 0 and it is exactly what your enemy counts on,, you are at this time making your fears known and you won't fight until wounded and cornered at disadvantage,,, when has it ever been different with a very large part of Americans ?
Where am I wrong,,, are all repeated threats imagined and to be given no weight ?
Waiting to be harmed is not a act of courage and puts us all in harms way,,, and I'm a old Marine,,, and a Texan,,, and unafraid to be the meanest MoFo in the valley of death we all transit.

You can give each other validation in this matter but it won't protect you.

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That's a smart Marine. (I hope my son is as wise and dilligent)

Even bringing facts to light doesn't diminish the war-mongers one bit, though. The powers that be won't stop, the "patriots" that cheer on the soldiers from home, will never admit the U.S. policy is what got us into this quagmire. That'd be un-patriotic. Far better to wave the flag as our sons march off to war.....

It was nice to see Rummy caught with his pants down. (again - but it never gets old)
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We are now the leading power in the world. I remember a long time ago seeing a statistic from when Britain was an empire and from some time in the 1600's up until the early 1980's, there was only 3 whole years in there where the British military was NOT engaged in combat somewhere in the world. That's where we have ended up and it's not going to change. There will always be bad people that will have to be confronted and bad people who will challenge us.
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We are now the leading power in the world. I remember a long time ago seeing a statistic from when Britain was an empire and from some time in the 1600's up until the early 1980's, there was only 3 whole years in there where the British military was NOT engaged in combat somewhere in the world. That's where we have ended up and it's not going to change. There will always be bad people that will have to be confronted and bad people who will challenge us.
Sure seems to have worked out for the British.
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Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the following quotation:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Any number of poster boys for the aforementioned creed are found on this thread.

If we are not the last hope for mankind what will mankind look like when our children's children come of age,,, who will they curse for cowardice ? Not this old Breed Marine.

Fear has two sides to chose from,,, on one side are fear's hellish consequence's,,, on the other side is the valor that conquers fear.

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Needing a easy way out is the most common choice of paths taken,,, like doing nothing will keep you free 10 times out of 0 and it is exactly what your enemy counts on,, you are at this time making your fears known and you won't fight until wounded and cornered at disadvantage,,, when has it ever been different with a very large part of Americans ?
Where am I wrong,,, are all repeated threats imagined and to be given no weight ?
Waiting to be harmed is not a act of courage and puts us all in harms way,,, and I'm a old Marine,,, and a Texan,,, and unafraid to be the meanest MoFo in the valley of death we all transit.

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Martin Niemöller should have gotten with the program. If he'd been a patriotic German, he'd supported the troops in their fight against communism. If more guys like him had put on a uniform, instead of finding fault with his own country, Germany might not have lost, and been devastated the way it was.

See how that works?
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Martin Niemöller should have gotten with the program. If he'd been a patriotic German, he'd supported the troops in their fight against communism. If more guys like him had put on a uniform, instead of finding fault with his own country, Germany might not have lost, and been devastated the way it was.

See how that works?
I saw how it works up close in the early 1950's.
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Not fighting Germans, I reckon.
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I've been on a campaign against wars in a couple threads, but there is value in a nation as big and dominant as ours to be continuously engaged in small, hot, firefights. In this way we can always have a small group of veteran combat vets prepared to teach a million of us how to become veteran combat vets, should the need arise.

We need to pick those conflicts carefully, and be discrete about it. And I generally agree with your assessment.
Yeah,problem is,they train BOTH sides...and arm them too.Even notice the snazzy weaponry and new pickups ISIS seems to always have? Cripes,I work full time and can't afford a nice new Toyota. How does some asshole not working at all rate one?
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As Plato said about "only the dead seeing the end of war", he also said "that Sgts do not plan wars", they just follow orders. Good soldier, just worn out.

As I recall, we were attacked on 911, by a coalition of Muslims, HQ'ed in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

Prior to that war, we were in Yugoslavia and Bosnia, Somalia and Kuwait by request.
Vietnam, Korea, WWII were all not our first choice, but Communism is like being a democrat, and its spread must be stopped. ISIS put out a manifesto that required a Varsity solution to a JV pot smoker's vision.

All those countries experienced situations or attacks that required UN help.


Anybody who thinks that the end of war came after the Battle of the Somme, where about a million died over 6 weeks, missed the next 80 years of popular killing.

Civilians, soldiers, families, cities, countries are all casualties of war, and war is what we will always do best, as the armies engage each other.

The logisitics of war--10 support personnel to one shooter is still about correct. If no one was employed or didn't made a buck on the winning side, (like in farming), it would not be so popular a business to engage in by maniacs and the west.

I live on a short dead end road. The road was named for a farmer, Jerimiah Butts, as seen on the old maps. No one ever knew what happened to old Butts.
I just found his name in a list of Union casualties at the Battle of Antietam in 1862. He is the 3rd I know of to die in the service of his country on my rural lane. I am sure Jerimiah would agree with the op's Marine. Most old soldiers are sick of war.
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Vietnam, Korea, WWII were all not our first choice, but Communism is like being a democrat, and its spread must be stopped.
Hmm. Do you really mean what you typed here?
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Martin Niemöller should have gotten with the program. If he'd been a patriotic German, he'd supported the troops in their fight against communism. If more guys like him had put on a uniform, instead of finding fault with his own country, Germany might not have lost, and been devastated the way it was.

See how that works?
Brilliant. Yet, the blind still will not see.
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Martin Niemöller should have gotten with the program. If he'd been a patriotic German, he'd supported the troops in their fight against communism. If more guys like him had put on a uniform, instead of finding fault with his own country, Germany might not have lost, and been devastated the way it was.

See how that works?
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...rs-linked-orga

"A new bombshell joint report issued by two international weapons monitoring groups Tuesday confirms that the Pentagon continues to ship record breaking amounts of weaponry into Syria and that the Department of Defense is scrubbing its own paper trail. On Tuesday the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) and the Balkan Investigative Reporting Network (BIRN) produced conclusive evidence that not only is the Pentagon currently involved in shipping up to $2.2 billion worth of weapons from a shady network of private dealers to allied partners in Syria - mostly old Soviet weaponry - but is actually manipulating paperwork such as end-user certificates, presumably in order to hide US involvement."


....but they're only going to the "good" rebels....
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...rs-linked-orga

"A new bombshell joint report issued by two international weapons monitoring groups Tuesday confirms that the Pentagon continues to ship record breaking amounts of weaponry into Syria and that the Department of Defense is scrubbing its own paper trail. On Tuesday the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) and the Balkan Investigative Reporting Network (BIRN) produced conclusive evidence that not only is the Pentagon currently involved in shipping up to $2.2 billion worth of weapons from a shady network of private dealers to allied partners in Syria - mostly old Soviet weaponry - but is actually manipulating paperwork such as end-user certificates, presumably in order to hide US involvement."


....but they're only going to the "good" rebels....
Yeah, I just linked this in another thread ...

I think it's just Russians hacking the news media and trying to give us a bad name.
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Sure seems to have worked out for the British.
Overextended collapsed empire, kicked out of everywhere, bankrupt, flooded with immigrants from far flung conquests who don't assimilate, constantly falling Std of Living and living on pink slime meat pies.

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Yeah,problem is,they train BOTH sides...and arm them too.Even notice the snazzy weaponry and new pickups ISIS seems to always have? Cripes,I work full time and can't afford a nice new Toyota. How does some asshole not working at all rate one?
Good points. Although we do tend to kill a lot of the other guys, which greatly reduces their effectiveness in training new recruits.

The other thing that bugs me about those beautiful new Toyotas sprinting across the desert is how they can do that without getting shot to bits by an A-10 or an Apache.
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The most oft repeated complaint on these forums is how the country is going to hell in a hand basket,,, very possibly not enforcing the rule of law and not caring about sanctuary states and cities is the spreading disease that's called disrespect for the USA and what it really stands for.

The illegal alien who is invited to vote in elections in California in large numbers is only the tip of the iceberg,,, other sanctuary states and cities add numbers that impact every citizen everywhere.
Tell me some more about how you can't and shouldn't be bothered.
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The most oft repeated complaint on these forums is how the country is going to hell in a hand basket,,, very possibly not enforcing the rule of law and not caring about sanctuary states and cities is the spreading disease that's called disrespect for the USA and what it really stands for.

The illegal alien who is invited to vote in elections in California in large numbers is only the tip of the iceberg,,, other sanctuary states and cities add numbers that impact every citizen everywhere.
Tell me some more about how you can't and shouldn't be bothered.
I'm not sure who you are responding too.

While I think going after Kim Jong-un is dumb and I have no idea what the hell we are doing in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, I do believe we should be prosecuting a war against at least some of the 30 million invaders here in the US along with the countries that sent them here.
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I'm not sure who you are responding too.

While I think going after Kim Jong-un is dumb and I have no idea what the hell we are doing in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, I do believe we should be prosecuting a war against at least some of the 30 million invaders here in the US along with the countries that sent them here.
Splendid idea. Let's let loose the full fury of the US military on our streets. You can brag even further bout all of the maiming and killing the engineers do and how irrelevant the grunt is.
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I'm not sure who you are responding too.

While I think going after Kim Jong-un is dumb and I have no idea what the hell we are doing in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, I do believe we should be prosecuting a war against at least some of the 30 million invaders here in the US along with the countries that sent them here.
Why is going after Kim dumb,,, are his intentions peaceful and in our national interest ? Jack the Ripper was good to his momma,,, at first,,, before he turned homicidal MoFo,,, like Lil Kim and his forefathers,,, there seems to be a pattern there.
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Splendid idea. Let's let loose the full fury of the US military on our streets. You can brag even further bout all of the maiming and killing the engineers do and how irrelevant the grunt is.
Caught anything yet, how they biting over here???
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I've been on a campaign against wars in a couple threads, but there is value in a nation as big and dominant as ours to be continuously engaged in small, hot, firefights. In this way we can always have a small group of veteran combat vets prepared to teach a million of us how to become veteran combat vets, should the need arise.
The other side of that is with a 75 year losing streak we seem to be teaching all our new found enemies how to win. And how to defeat our very expensive tech advantages.

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A preoccupation with ones self at the exclusion of others is called self absobsion,,, being called that is a mental state diagnosis not a complement.

If we do the numbers of our foe versus our allies and use the logic here we as a free nation we should find a good place to go surrender,,, **** that !!! and the horse you rode in on !!!
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Splendid idea. Let's let loose the full fury of the US military on our streets. You can brag even further bout all of the maiming and killing the engineers do and how irrelevant the grunt is.
You assume such a war would involve traditional armed combat. In most cases that would not be the right approach, although there are some cartels and drug gangs that might call for that level of force. Don't be so obtuse.
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Why is going after Kim dumb,,, are his intentions peaceful and in our national interest ? Jack the Ripper was good to his momma,,, at first,,, before he turned homicidal MoFo,,, like Lil Kim and his forefathers,,, there seems to be a pattern there.

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"The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us," the statement read. "Let us reduce the U.S. mainland into ashes and darkness. Let us vent our spite with mobilization of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now."

The statement also calls for the disbandment of the United Nations, calling it a group "of unprincipled countries."

"The group of pro-American traitors should be severely punished and wiped out with fire attack so that they could no longer survive," they said. "The United Nations Security Council is made up of those unprincipled countries and, accordingly, such a useless tool should be disbanded at once."
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You assume such a war would involve traditional armed combat. In most cases that would not be the right approach, although there are some cartels and drug gangs that might call for that level of force. Don't be so obtuse.
You assume "posse commitataus" has multiple meanings. Don't be so liberal with words.
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Old September 14, 2017, 11:00   #40
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"The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us," the statement read. "Let us reduce the U.S. mainland into ashes and darkness. Let us vent our spite with mobilization of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now."

The statement also calls for the disbandment of the United Nations, calling it a group "of unprincipled countries."

"The group of pro-American traitors should be severely punished and wiped out with fire attack so that they could no longer survive," they said. "The United Nations Security Council is made up of those unprincipled countries and, accordingly, such a useless tool should be disbanded at once."

I wonder if their principle of Juche requires that sort of stilted, awkward English?
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War.

Lets have a war!!
Who signs up? Who is already being paid to direct the attacks?

Youth, who otherwise would be disappointing their parents at college, or on the streets getting arrested, are the ones who traditionally sign up, here.

Especially after an outrage like Pearl Harbor, 911, WWI, Spanish American war, Civil War, etc etc.

In other countries, the military offers an adventure and excitement--- shooting guns and killing people, and no one is more sociopathic and a natural born killer than the youts of the world.
Testosterone, pride and inexperience drive mankind to war, and will forever fill the ports of the seaside cities with rowdy men looking for women.

The attempt to take the boy out of the boy by women (gatherer/nesters) will always fail, as the type A's refuse the dress, and to take the dong.


Women do not fight wars or get the red mist, except when the hormones speak.
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I wonder if their principle of Juche requires that sort of stilted, awkward English?
yea, I get a kick out of their lack of English skills as well.
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Rule #1
When someone says they intend to kill you, believe they mean exactly what they say!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...tm_campaign=nl

"The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us," the statement read. "Let us reduce the U.S. mainland into ashes and darkness. Let us vent our spite with mobilization of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now."

The statement also calls for the disbandment of the United Nations, calling it a group "of unprincipled countries."

"The group of pro-American traitors should be severely punished and wiped out with fire attack so that they could no longer survive," they said. "The United Nations Security Council is made up of those unprincipled countries and, accordingly, such a useless tool should be disbanded at once."
Poor pie faced I'il Kim seems unlikely to have crafted that statement on his own.
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Rule #1
When someone says they intend to kill you, believe they mean exactly what they say!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...tm_campaign=nl

"The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us," the statement read. "Let us reduce the U.S. mainland into ashes and darkness. Let us vent our spite with mobilization of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now."
Hmmmm...... wonder what was really stated?
Every news source just posts the same snippets and NONE link to the actual statement.

Almost like they don't want you to read it for yourself.




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Master Muslim Juanni says..."America lay down your arms, so that my Muslim brothers can come here and put you out of your misery of "guilt", (for waging all those wars)."............. by beheading you all.

Axis Sally, Tokyo Rose and Bagdad Bob, never had so close a replicant as Juanni. He says exactly the same thing as those 3 slugs...."give up, you are dead."

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Hmmmm...... wonder what was really stated?
Every news source just posts the same snippets and NONE link to the actual statement.

Almost like they don't want you to read it for yourself.




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Well, that may be the case, who knows, I don;t and you don't.

Just walked in the door and saw a quick report that he just fired off an ICBM over Japan, coupled with the above statements and confirmation he does actually have hydrogen weapons now, with ICBM's to carry them, care to offer how long he remains walking upon this earth?

Does not seem like a fellow that any insurance company would write a life insurance policy on, now does it?

I suspect it's a race to see how fast China can simply kill him, before they end up in a mess.

Seems like all those predictions he ain't got this or that, can't do this or that, were all flat wrong, which is normal.
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Why is going after Kim dumb,,, are his intentions peaceful and in our national interest ? Jack the Ripper was good to his momma,,, at first,,, before he turned homicidal MoFo,,, like Lil Kim and his forefathers,,, there seems to be a pattern there.
I think I covered this in other threads. But I'll try again.

Kim Jong-un is all hat and no cattle. If he meant to attack the United States, he would have done so already. He's an extortionist, just like his daddy. If he meant to attack us, he wouldn't try so hard to threaten and provoke us. He wouldn't be advertising his capability. He'd just attack us. You don't need an ICBM to deliver weapons of mass destruction. Why isn't this obvious to everybody?

If Kim did attack us, he knows that would be the end of him.

If Kim gave a shit about North Korea, he would spend his money on North Koreans. He'd try and get sanctions lifted. He'd make an effort to get along. But he doesn't. He's pissed off China, his only real ally. Why? Because Kim is afraid of his own generals. He's not afraid of the United States. The only thing he cares about is himself and staying in power. Most of his bluster, while directed at the USA, is really intended for North Korean consumption. While North Koreans are fed the narrative that the USA is poised to invade at any moment, they tend to look less at how Kim is f_cking them. It's the oldest trick in the dictator book. The dumbass in Venezuela is doing exactly the same thing. Do you think the USA plans on invading Venuzuela anytime soon? It's absurd.

If we were foolish enough to attack NK, Kim's narrative is validated. He gets to say "see, I told you they were our enemy."

North Korea's economy is something like 1/1000 that of the United States. While he could give us a black eye, NK won't be defeating the United States in conventional warfare.

If we did engage NK in ground war, we would likely drag China into the conflict. While the Chinese are not particularly fond of Koreans, and they are particularly wary of Kim Jong-un, they are still a communist country, sort of, and want a buffer between themselves and the Western Economies. North Korea is of strategic importance to them. They demonstrated this clearly in the 1950s. Drag China into a conflict with the USA in the Korean peninsula and there is no way we can win. The best we can hope for is a draw, just like last time. To achieve a draw, we would waste tens of thousands of our soldiers, hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions of dollars, destroy our relationship with our largest trading partner, and upset the economy of the entire planet. That's if the thing didn't go full on nuclear. China does have ICBMs with modern nukes.

If we attack Kim Jong-un, it is likely that his generals would rain some serious death on South Korea and possibly Japan. I don't think either of those allies would appreciate it.

Tell you what...if we can get China's permission to take out Kim, with the understanding that China would administer the government of post Kim NK, and we left reunification off the table, then I'd be more likely to support the action.

If somebody can provide a thoughtful counter analysis beyond "must kill evil people" I'll listen. The "if we don't get them now it will cost more later" is a completely unfounded argument as well. Prove it. It's impossible because there is control case (it cost X when we didn't act now, which is more than Y when we did act now. But both can't be true, you either did one or the other). I would point out that we didn't act now against Castro in 1963 and he's dead, so it didn't cost us more later, but who knows? Maybe the bill hasn't come due yet.

The world is full of evil people. Kim doesn't make my top ten list.
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You assume "posse commitataus" has multiple meanings. Don't be so liberal with words.
Straw man argument. Posse comitatus does not apply when defending our borders against alien invaders, fighting alien invaders within the borders of the United States, or fighting hostile forces in foreign nations like Mexico or El Salvador.
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I think I covered this in other threads. But I'll try again.

Kim Jong-un is all hat and no cattle. If he meant to attack the United States, he would have done so already. He's an extortionist, just like his daddy. If he meant to attack us, he wouldn't try so hard to threaten and provoke us. He wouldn't be advertising his capability. He'd just attack us. You don't need an ICBM to deliver weapons of mass destruction. Why isn't this obvious to everybody?

If Kim did attack us, he knows that would be the end of him.

If Kim gave a shit about North Korea, he would spend his money on North Koreans. He'd try and get sanctions lifted. He'd make an effort to get along. But he doesn't. He's pissed off China, his only real ally. Why? Because Kim is afraid of his own generals. He's not afraid of the United States. The only thing he cares about is himself and staying in power. Most of his bluster, while directed at the USA, is really intended for North Korean consumption. While North Koreans are fed the narrative that the USA is poised to invade at any moment, they tend to look less at how Kim is f_cking them. It's the oldest trick in the dictator book. The dumbass in Venezuela is doing exactly the same thing. Do you think the USA plans on invading Venuzuela anytime soon? It's absurd.

If we were foolish enough to attack NK, Kim's narrative is validated. He gets to say "see, I told you they were our enemy."

North Korea's economy is something like 1/1000 that of the United States. While he could give us a black eye, NK won't be defeating the United States in conventional warfare.

If we did engage NK in ground war, we would likely drag China into the conflict. While the Chinese are not particularly fond of Koreans, and they are particularly wary of Kim Jong-un, they are still a communist country, sort of, and want a buffer between themselves and the Western Economies. North Korea is of strategic importance to them. They demonstrated this clearly in the 1950s. Drag China into a conflict with the USA in the Korean peninsula and there is no way we can win. The best we can hope for is a draw, just like last time. To achieve a draw, we would waste tens of thousands of our soldiers, hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions of dollars, destroy our relationship with our largest trading partner, and upset the economy of the entire planet. That's if the thing didn't go full on nuclear. China does have ICBMs with modern nukes.

If we attack Kim Jong-un, it is likely that his generals would rain some serious death on South Korea and possibly Japan. I don't think either of those allies would appreciate it.

Tell you what...if we can get China's permission to take out Kim, with the understanding that China would administer the government of post Kim NK, and we left reunification off the table, then I'd be more likely to support the action.

If somebody can provide a thoughtful counter analysis beyond "must kill evil people" I'll listen. The "if we don't get them now it will cost more later" is a completely unfounded argument as well. Prove it. It's impossible because there is control case (it cost X when we didn't act now, which is more than Y when we did act now. But both can't be true, you either did one or the other). I would point out that we didn't act now against Castro in 1963 and he's dead, so it didn't cost us more later, but who knows? Maybe the bill hasn't come due yet.

The world is full of evil people. Kim doesn't make my top ten list.
Seems folks in Japan and South Korea don;t share your opinions.
Just saying.
As in, how long will either put up with this?
We are not the only player in all this, folks sometimes forget, both of these countries can take independent military actions.
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Rule #1
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...tm_campaign=nl

"The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us," the statement read. "Let us reduce the U.S. mainland into ashes and darkness. Let us vent our spite with mobilization of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now."

The statement also calls for the disbandment of the United Nations, calling it a group "of unprincipled countries."

"The group of pro-American traitors should be severely punished and wiped out with fire attack so that they could no longer survive," they said. "The United Nations Security Council is made up of those unprincipled countries and, accordingly, such a useless tool should be disbanded at once."
You actually believe any of that nonsense? Man, you are gullible.

I hate to bring this up, but in another thread you claimed that Israel would nuke the whole planet rather than suffer defeat and annihilation. Including the United States. If that's true, aren't they saying they will kill us and we should believe them? I'll admit, Israel is a far more worthy adversary than NK. So by your rules, what should we do about that? Sounds like another case for a preemptive strike (which would be stupid), by your rules.

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