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Old April 25, 2017, 20:17   #1
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Good Shotgun For Home Defense?

I'm liking the Beretta 1301... what do you shooters think? Would you add anything to the list?

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Old April 25, 2017, 20:39   #2
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Norinco (Hawk 982) for less than $200.

870 clone.

870 parts are a drop-in fit, except 870 barrels which require $10 (not $100) adapter sleeve over mag tube (takes 3 seconds to install).

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Old April 25, 2017, 20:45   #3
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Norinco "Stevens" is in-stock.

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Old April 25, 2017, 20:51   #4
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Police turn in 870 in .12 gauge. No plastic parts., mechanically usually maintained well, usually have the front & rear sights like a rifle would. They R apparently made in a separate area of the factory to higher standards. They are carried & transported, banged up usually but stronger than a stock 870., wood furniture, standard 4 shot tube, one in the pipe, a bandoleer to hold about 20 rounds or so, practice a lot, good to go. At least that's what I did.

GB usually has them. Prices though R variable based on condition. U can get a good one for less than a new 870 if cosmetics are not an issue w U. U can always buy plastic furniture if that's Ur thing.

BackwoodsGuns on GB has a fine example buy it now for $450.00 go look.
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Norinco (Hawk 982) for less than $200.

870 clone.

870 parts are a drop-in fit, except 870 barrels which require $100 adapter sleeve over mag tube (takes 3 seconds to install).

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Old April 25, 2017, 22:27   #6
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Used 870 Wingmaster - $300ish
Used 870 20" deer slug barrel - $100ish
Combination of above with patience and diligence - $300

Combination of above stashed "handy" in your bedroom - Priceless
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Keltec KSG. 14 rounds should keep them at bay. But it's not intuitive, you need time with it.
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Mossberg 500

Always been able to find an excellent used one for around $150. Different barrels are inexpensive, so I have an 18" smooth bore for home, a 28" VR (with 3 different screw in chokes) for bird hunting, and a 24" rifled barrel (with rifle sights) for longer range bigger game.

Receiver even came pre-tapped for a scope mount.

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Old April 26, 2017, 00:38   #10
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Hard to imagine an intruder not changing his plans after a load of No. 4 inside of 30 feet from an 870. Hard to imagine his friends wouldn't be headed the other direction as well. An 870 will always go bang.
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Old April 26, 2017, 01:36   #11
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I'm liking the Beretta 1301... what do you shooters think? Would you add anything to the list?

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.....are you actually asking a question or just trying to generate traffic for your "blog site" ..??
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Old April 26, 2017, 02:03   #12
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Mossberg 500

Always been able to find an excellent used one for around $150. Different barrels are inexpensive, so I have an 18" smooth bore for home, a 28" VR (with 3 different screw in chokes) for bird hunting, and a 24" rifled barrel (with rifle sights) for longer range bigger game.

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Old April 26, 2017, 08:13   #13
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Old 870 Wingmaster on a wall mount in the bedroom, here.

18" blued, bead sight barrel with Scattergun Technologies +2 mag tube, Nordic rail clamp mount and a TLR-1 weapon light for when things go bump in the night.

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It is loaded with baby buckshot loads in case of intrahouse discharge.



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Old April 26, 2017, 08:37   #14
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The Beretta 1201 was my standby for years. I bought the Mossy 930 to replace it and it just doesn't cut it. It is good but the 1201 has been great for me. My gripe against a lot of the modern tactical shotguns is that I don't like pistol grips on my shotgun. I think years of shooting shotguns with the traditional stock have warped my opinion to the newer pistol grip style. However if I was going to go with a pump gun I really like mossberg 500 for value for the money. They are nothing fancy but I love how they always just seem to work. Used ones turn up once in a while for 100 to 200 bucks from what I have seen and that seems like a good value to me. I also like all of the accessories available out there for the mossy 500.
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Another vote for the older 870. I sold most of my guns last year to fund a move. I kept one shotgun, nope not grandpas Marlin, no not the really nice trap gun. The 20" rifle sighted 870 I bought new in high school. I have shot 3 gun, killed deer, and plenty else with it. With over 10 million having thus far been built it is a safe bet. I can't speak to your neck of the woods but around here a decent 12 gauge 3" magnum 870 express will bring 250 ish.

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Mossberg 500

Always been able to find an excellent used one for around $150. Different barrels are inexpensive, so I have an 18" smooth bore for home, a 28" VR (with 3 different screw in chokes) for bird hunting, and a 24" rifled barrel (with rifle sights) for longer range bigger game.

Receiver even came pre-tapped for a scope mount.

It's versatile
And MADE IN USA, unlike the Chinese imports suggested above. Plus they don't flash rust when you look at them like the sandblasted finish on an 870 Express.
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And MADE IN USA, unlike the Chinese imports suggested above. Plus they don't flash rust when you look at them like the sandblasted finish on an 870 Express.
You can even step down to the Mav 88 if it's sole purpose is "bump-in-the-night duty. I've owned several and have a problem with friends seeing them how I've set them up and buying them from me. Never had issue with any of them. Only loss compared to the 500 I think is the cross-trigger vs top-of-receiver safety. NBD to me as I always kept the chamber half open and leaning in the corner next to the bed. I picked them up by the slide and it closed when I did.

I now have a Weatherby auto with extension giving me 7+1 of "WRONG HOUSE MOTHER %&@*#(!!!!!!!!!!"
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Autos just don't communicate the gravity of the situation or deliver the same pucker factor as the sound of a pump action. Dat's a fact.
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Nothing says "you're in the wrong house" like the sound of chambering a round in a 870 on a dark night.
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A carbine is a much better choice than a shotgun.
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Autos just don't communicate the gravity of the situation or deliver the same pucker factor as the sound of a pump action. Dat's a fact.
If you're doing more to the gun in a defense scenario than taking it off safe and pointing it towards the target, you are a moron. Rounds downrange communicate your intention very well.
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If you're doing more to the gun in a defense scenario than taking it off safe and pointing it towards the target, you are a moron. Rounds downrange communicate your intention very well.
I love internet tough talk as much as the next guy, but the last thing I would ever want to be forced to do is kill someone in my own home. I'd avoid it, possibly even at the expense of a few personal posessions. Mitigating a threat wouldn't necessarily require leading to the inevitable scrubbing of blood spatter and brain chunks off of my walls and out of my carpets. I may find it less moronic to rack one home to avoid a dance before it even starts than to just guarantee my home becomes a shooting investigation scene and my entire collection gets confiscated and put into evidence until some DA deems otherwise. But you do you, lew.
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If you're doing more to the gun in a defense scenario than taking it off safe and pointing it towards the target, you are a moron. Rounds downrange communicate your intention very well.
Racking a slide gives away your location so a perp can send rounds in your direction, and indicates you had or still have an empty gun. Why load it? it is just a scary soundmaker. What if they don't hear it the first time? maybe just jack all the rounds out onto the floor.
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I love internet tough talk as much as the next guy, but the last thing I would ever want to be forced to do is kill someone in my own home. I'd avoid it, possibly even at the expense of a few personal posessions. Mitigating a threat wouldn't necessarily require leading to the inevitable scrubbing of blood spatter and brain chunks off of my walls and out of my carpets. I may find it less moronic to rack one home to avoid a dance before it even starts than to just guarantee my home becomes a shooting investigation scene and my entire collection gets confiscated and put into evidence until some DA deems otherwise. But you do you, lew.
Having been at the scene of several shotgun shootings. I can say with authority that it is an awful mess, and not one that I would particularly want in my living room. I'm with Tulman on this one. Give them the warning of the pump, if they still insist on a fight. Then game on
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Hard to imagine an intruder not changing his plans after a load of No. 4 inside of 30 feet from an 870.
Full disclosure: Many years ago, I was changing the load in my Winchester Defender 12 ga. I was shucking out the shells and in one careless, distracted moment, I had a negligent discharge. The shell that fired was #4 shot. The muzzle was about 4 feet from the headboard of our waterbed.

The blast went through a glass door on the headboard, through the wood behind that, through the sheetrock and out through the plywood and vinyl siding. It left a "window" about 4" in diameter. Number 4 shot. It scared the shit out of me. I know I'm not the only one who has done stupid stuff but the experience certainly humbled (and frightened) me.

This happened just months after a friend fired an AK in my study that left a neat .30 caliber hole through the miniblinds and the window pane. My wife was not amused by either event.
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Shotguns are for hunting squirrels and birds on the wing. They produce too much recoil for close quarters combat. Especially for small frame females. An AR15 carbine is far superior to any shotgun in a home defense role.
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I love internet tough talk as much as the next guy, but the last thing I would ever want to be forced to do is kill someone in my own home. I'd avoid it, possibly even at the expense of a few personal posessions. Mitigating a threat wouldn't necessarily require leading to the inevitable scrubbing of blood spatter and brain chunks off of my walls and out of my carpets. I may find it less moronic to rack one home to avoid a dance before it even starts than to just guarantee my home becomes a shooting investigation scene and my entire collection gets confiscated and put into evidence until some DA deems otherwise. But you do you, lew.
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Having been at the scene of several shotgun shootings. I can say with authority that it is an awful mess, and not one that I would particularly want in my living room. I'm with Tulman on this one. Give them the warning of the pump, if they still insist on a fight. Then game on
A weapon in your hands that is not immediately ready for action is called a liability. In a home invasion, seconds are something you may not have, and something you will likely need as many as you can get. Offering a warning that the intruder may or may not hear when is a poor decision and a waste of precious time. Who gives a shit about the mess afterwards? Carpet and drywall can be replaced; you cannot.

Also, I live in a state where I don't have to worry much about the ramifications of shooting an uninvited "guest" logically intent on doing harm to me or mine in my own house. The police may confiscate the weapon involved in the shooting- reports from lawful shootings suggest that this would be a temporary measure at-best- but I have plenty of others, and, as much as I like them, they are tools, plain and simple.

Tough talk? Try engaging logic and reason first before pontificating on the subject. Taking a life is a serious matter and one I hope none of us have to visit. However, we should be prepared to do so with the clearest of vision, the sharpest of reactions, and no hesitation should the circumstances warrant. Adding in silly "what ifs" muddies what should be a straightforward argument.
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Old April 30, 2017, 01:23   #41
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WEG hates American jawbs.

Im conflicted about the Hawk. I think buying 10 of them is a benefit still. Especially after chinese price go higher. The downside is supporting slave labor and msg.
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Old April 30, 2017, 06:52   #42
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A weapon in your hands that is not immediately ready for action is called a liability. In a home invasion, seconds are something you may not have, and something you will likely need as many as you can get. Offering a warning that the intruder may or may not hear when is a poor decision and a waste of precious time. Who gives a shit about the mess afterwards? Carpet and drywall can be replaced; you cannot.

Also, I live in a state where I don't have to worry much about the ramifications of shooting an uninvited "guest" logically intent on doing harm to me or mine in my own house. The police may confiscate the weapon involved in the shooting- reports from lawful shootings suggest that this would be a temporary measure at-best- but I have plenty of others, and, as much as I like them, they are tools, plain and simple.

Tough talk? Try engaging logic and reason first before pontificating on the subject. Taking a life is a serious matter and one I hope none of us have to visit. However, we should be prepared to do so with the clearest of vision, the sharpest of reactions, and no hesitation should the circumstances warrant. Adding in silly "what ifs" muddies what should be a straightforward argument.
You are lucky in that your State allows you to stand your ground. Mine does not. I have a duty to retreat, until I can not. This makes things a lot stickier once the trigger is pulled. As far as racking the slide. That takes no more time to do, than you pulling your loaded gun up. It is done while shouldering. It's all in the training. Refer to the Israeli Military and police. They carry, on duty, on an empty chamber. Not something that I would want to do, but they train for it, and they seem to survive most situations. I would bet most of them see more active shooter situations than either of us ever will. My original statement was given, to clarify that a shotgun shooting in your house is a very messy clean up. nothing more. Both from the gore and the legal ramifications after. Surviving the shoot out is only the first of your problems. Now once the SHTF, all bets are off. Loaded chambers will be a go.
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Ive been messing around with some new shotguns - the Mossy Shockwave and a KSG, loaded with the mini slugs/buck from Aguila, both look promising don't really want the length of a 590 or a Benelli M4 but thats me - YMMV.
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AR Carbine much faster to shoulder, greater capacity, far better. I love my Benneli M1 Super 90 but that AR Carbine excels .
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Shotguns are for hunting squirrels and birds on the wing. They produce too much recoil for close quarters combat. Especially for small frame females. An AR15 carbine is far superior to any shotgun in a home defense role.
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Old April 30, 2017, 20:20   #46
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AR Carbine much faster to shoulder, greater capacity, far better. I love my Benneli M1 Super 90 but that AR Carbine excels .
Another Benelli guy ! Mine is a Super 90 M3, all the shotgun I ever need.

For other purposes I can either go to a Steyr AUG A3 16" or a CZ Scorpion Evo 3 in 9mm.
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Old 870 Wingmaster on a wall mount in the bedroom, here.

18" blued, bead sight barrel with Scattergun Technologies +2 mag tube, Nordic rail clamp mount and a TLR-1 weapon light for when things go bump in the night.

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It is loaded with baby buckshot loads in case of intrahouse discharge.



I don't shoot it enough, these days...

Has anyone ever tried those minishells in a Benelli ?
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Has anyone ever tried those minishells in a Benelli ?
They wouldn't work in my M3. Released two when chambering.
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They wouldn't work in my M3. Released two when chambering.
Thanks. Now I can mark that off my list.....
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I like the Benelli M1 super 90 because of the magazine cut off button. You can pick and fire single rounds like slugs until it all gets close then go to the magazine of 00 in semi auto. It's easier to run one handed than a pump gun and reliable with good ammo.
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