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Old October 21, 2017, 14:14   #1
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Downsizing my SA58 medium contour rifle

I have a DSA SA58 medium contour 21" rifle made/bought c. 2003. I am interested in making it a bit more "handy" in the field and less of a heavy range plinker. My thought is that getting a good 18" standard weight length setup would be the ticket. Some things I have in mind:

A chrome-lined barrel.
A good folding stock (although this might mean changing the bolt carrier, etc.)
A good muzzle brake or flash hider.
Perhaps hand guards with rails for mounting a light or whatever.

Any suggestions on how to look into this, and what the most cost-effective (but quality) approach might be? This is sort of a wide-open request for insight.

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Old October 21, 2017, 14:18   #2
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I think you have to be the earliest member/lurked who finally submitted his 1st post.
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Old October 21, 2017, 14:48   #3
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Just a thought.
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Old October 21, 2017, 18:16   #4
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You're looking for a Para with an 18" barrel, preferably Imbel. Put a WTB in the Marketplace forum and see what comes up.

Keep the heavy Pogue for the range or sell it to fund the Para. I'd keep the Pogue.

I am likely the only Files member that is not a fan of the Para so have little idea about cost of converting your DSA. I would estimate $500 to $600 as a terribly rough guess. Not worth the cost in my opinion.

OLDMANPBK's SCAR sounds like what you are looking for if the cost of such is not a problem. It is for me.
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Old October 21, 2017, 22:05   #5
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Just a thought.
+ 1. Changing over to the Scar 17 and 16.

Which is why I am getting rid of most of my FAL & L1A1 rifles and parts kits. Just have to find a bunch of small parts to complete the kits and then I’ll be selling them.
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Old October 22, 2017, 14:53   #6
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There is a DSA para on armslist new offer toda

The guy in Indiana said there were only 300 rounds thru it. Had 9 mags and wanted $1800. I'd buy it ,but already hav 2 FALs and my safe is stuffed.Heck if you are down sizing why not just get a Ruger Scot in 308. It's strong it's small and it still has a magazine.
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Old October 22, 2017, 21:42   #7
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I think you have to be the earliest member/lurked who finally submitted his 1st post.
I suppose there is something to be said for any distinction.
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Old October 22, 2017, 22:27   #8
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Yeah --sigh--, the SCAR 17 is something to put on a dream sheet for sure. It's a bit pricey for my interests at present. Still, I'm almost afraid to shoot one because I may find reasons to justify the price--at least to myself; to the other half would be another matter entirely.

I am not unhappy with the "pogue" in most respects. I'd take it to a fight if my HK 91 was unavailable, particularly if it proves itself reliable and accurate as I shoot it and crawl, walk, run with it more. I have just decided that the barrel is a bit much for a rifle that is hardly a DMR. The HK 91 is no featherweight, so I have a tolerance for fairly heavy 7.62 rifles.

A friend of mine pointed out that just taking a few inches off the barrel and adding a flash hider or brake would help balance the weapon better. I am considering that vis a vis re-barreling the rifle and all that would go along with that. I don't think I'll sell it. I have generally regretted selling guns.

Trigger time is still the priority. I am dealing with a leg injury that is keeping me from hiking out to my "range" in the Maine woods, but once I mend I'll head out on some Sundays and work with the rifle some more. In the meantime, I'll lurk. :-)

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Old October 22, 2017, 22:46   #9
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Yeah --sigh--, the SCAR 17 is something to put on a dream sheet for sure. It's a bit pricey for my interests at present. Still, I'm almost afraid to shoot one because I may find reasons to justify the price--at least to myself; to the other half would be another matter entirely.

I am not unhappy with the "pogue" in most respects. I'd take it to a fight if my HK 91 was unavailable, particularly if it proves itself reliable and accurate as I shoot it and crawl, walk, run with it more. I have just decided that the barrel is a bit much for a rifle that is hardly a DMR. The HK 91 is no featherweight, so I have a tolerance for fairly heavy 7.62 rifles.

A friend of mine pointed out that just taking a few inches off the barrel and adding a flash hider or brake would help balance the weapon better. I am considering that vis a vis re-barreling the rifle and all that would go along with that. I don't think I'll sell it. I have generally regretted selling guns.

Trigger time is still the priority. I am dealing with a leg injury that is keeping me from hiking out to my "range" in the Maine woods, but once I mend I'll head out on some Sundays and work with the rifle some more. In the meantime, I'll lurk. :-)

Thanks for the input.
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Keep searching; good deals are out there for those that are patient. I happened to get good prices on my Scars from DSG Arms and it wasnt even the law enforcement/ military price. Some of my FALs cost as much to build as the cost of one of the Scars.
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Old October 22, 2017, 23:04   #10
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Keep searching; good deals are out there for those that are patient. I happened to get good prices on my Scars from DSG Arms and it wasnt even the law enforcement/ military price. Some of my FALs cost as much to build as the cost of one of the Scars.

I decided to get a FAL over a SCAR thinking Id be saving a thousand dollars back when they were selling for $2700. Well.....my DSA is about $100 away from breaking the $3000 mark to date after I got done doing everything I wanted to it, which is essentially turning it into a heavy SCAR (including optic cost....but still). I probably should have just bit the bullet in the beginning. Though, Im not sure a SCAR would attract as much attention as my tacticool FAL does.


As far as being patient, I searched for over a year trying to find an RFB that was both in stock, and under $1400 with shipping. I found a site that browses online stores, and shows stock status and price in a list. I stalked that site for a good 6 months and was able to snag a RFB for $1200 shipped (a steal at the time, most were $1500-$1800).

Check it out. I put the exact manufacturer part number in for what I wanted, so it only showed the exact barrel length and color rifles I wanted without any other clutter.

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/


And this by the way, if your curious, is what a $3000 FAL looks like when its owner tries to turn it into a SCAR piece by piece over 6 years.....




(Obligatory eye candy)


I may be cheating my way into that $3000 figure by including optic costs....but for it to be a fair comparison to a SCAR with a fully adjustable folding stock, the naked rail cost with the DSA folder and para conversion parts buries it well within current SCAR territory. All for a rifle that is less accurate, and heavier. While the moral of the story is buy once cry once, Im still more than satisfied with this build. It does everything I want, and its unique.

While Id probably just get the SCAR if I were to do this all again, for me to do so now with as deep into and connected to the rifle as I am now (monetarily, emotionally, and training wise) would be redundant and economically foolish.

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I decided to get a FAL over a SCAR thinking Id be saving a thousand dollars back when they were selling for $2700. Well.....my DSA is about $100 away from breaking the $3000 mark to date after I got done doing everything I wanted to it, which is essentially turning it into a heavy SCAR (including optic cost....but still). I probably should have just bit the bullet in the beginning. Though, Im not sure a SCAR would attract as much attention as my tacticool FAL does.
What's the source of your cheek riser? Looks handy, especially if ambi.
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Old October 23, 2017, 14:01   #12
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What's the source of your cheek riser? Looks handy, especially if ambi.
I honestly forgot the brand, but it's FAL specific and is contoured to mate with the stock while providing a level comb in relation to the bore. I think it was $20, and I found it on amazon. It came with self tapping wood screws, but I used slim flat blind fasteners inside the stock and machine screws to hold it on. I didn't trust the screws simply being threaded into the plastic, and the supplied screws were too long. They would have hit the recoil spring tube.
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I honestly forgot the brand, but it's FAL specific and is contoured to mate with the stock while providing a level comb in relation to the bore. I think it was $20, and I found it on amazon. It came with self tapping wood screws, but I used slim flat blind fasteners inside the stock and machine screws to hold it on. I didn't trust the screws simply being threaded into the plastic, and the supplied screws were too long. They would have hit the recoil spring tube.
OK looks like it's time to do a little google-fu. Thanks.
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Reading the original post,,,the rifel will be a little shorter, I don't it would be appreciably lighter.
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I would swap the barrel out for an 18" with a standard contour. May as well melonite it while you are at it.
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I would swap the barrel out for an 18" with a standard contour. May as well melonite it while you are at it.
What is a medium contour barrel?
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It's the one between the "standard weight" barrel and the "bull barrel".

Looks something like;
https://dsarms.com/p-11610-dsa-fal-s...installed.aspx

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It's the one between the "standard weight" barrel and the "bull barrel".

Looks something like;
https://dsarms.com/p-11610-dsa-fal-s...installed.aspx

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Never realized they made those. Looks heavy. Definitely a standard 18" would help the cause
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A Para with an 18" standard barrel is a pretty handy rifle. I have one and love it. They come up from time to time in the equipment exchange. Either an Imbel or early DSA (mine is a type 2 DSA that left the factory in 2006 and seems to have mostly Steyr parts). I think buying and then selling your current tank to fund the purchase would be preferable to building one. Your call though and either route works. DSA does mike a nice conversion kit and you can definitely source a quality surplus barrel. I think Gunplummer still has some Imbel barrels for sale.
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If it were mine I'd simply have the barrel swapped out to 18", add a flash hider, and leave the rest. Spend the extra cash on mags and ammo.
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Gunplumber has 17.3" barrels for sale in the Marketplace.
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Why not sell it and get an 308 AR with 18" barrel, which can be found for $600 and up all day? I am being dead serious, and I do not like ARs.
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Why not sell it and get an 308 AR with 18" barrel, which can be found for $600 and up all day? I am being dead serious, and I do not like ARs.
Providing he's not demanding MOA accuracy out of it, the FAL is a perfectly serviceable (dare I say more reliable) rifle for most tasks, and there's no shame sinking some coin into one to make it better suited to the user's preferences.
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