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Old June 01, 2018, 13:20   #1
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AR 18?

Anyone here have experience with the AR18 family? Was thinking now that I live in Oklahoma I might be able to get one.
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Old June 01, 2018, 13:38   #2
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Old June 01, 2018, 14:46   #3
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I have a AR180B....nice little rifle...
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Old June 01, 2018, 14:58   #4
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What you want to know? I have had a org pre ban 180

Are you talking the nfa model or semi ?

There are 3 models you run into in the USA

the org full auto Ar18
The semi auto AR180 ..They are CA made , Japan made ,and England made models ..CA and Japan tend to go for more as they have better fit and fineshes in most peopls minds
then the 94 ban era AR180B ..Its main selling point is it takes AR15 mags ..But it is a fixed stock netured gun so you will need to work on it

The main selling point of the AR180 and 18 is the side folding stock and simply nature it was made as a cheep welded M16 altrantive

Cool guns the only issues is you can force them open to fast as they can break at the front locking pin on the lowers some might have issues with firing pin and spare parts are catch and catch can

Dont let the mag bother you ..They they dont take AR mags a AR mag can be made to work very easily in the gun with hand tools just cut a hole in the other side of the mag ..IMI and thermold did or still do make mags for them

And I have seen more of the org 40 rounders come up for sale

It is the rifle of the Irish fighting and has a cool history imop

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Old June 01, 2018, 16:04   #5
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Back when (late 70s) had an AR-18S. More reliable than the XM-177 I had. I still have two 180s and a 50 cal ammo can full of 20 rd magazines I got from a police dept. back in the mid 80s. I really liked the AR-18/180. Maybe it needed a little more work, in that the folding buttstock was a little weak but I never had any issues and I carried one for years.
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Old June 01, 2018, 16:16   #6
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I guess the one I’m looking for is the AR180 semi auto
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Old June 01, 2018, 16:54   #7
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Now, that is possible. Always for sale on Gunbroker. Look for the regular AR 180 and not the AR 180 B. Of course, there are companies making these for the AR 180B:

http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-18S.htm

http://stormwerkz.com/accessories/ar...epair-section/
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Old June 02, 2018, 00:18   #8
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What is wrong with the sterling made examples?
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Old June 02, 2018, 05:16   #9
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What is wrong with the sterling made examples?
Afaik, nothing...they just dont have as nice a fit & finish as the US or Japanese made ones.
Ive heard claims they can have issues, but Ive never seen that myself with dozens of them.
Ive had examples of each, still have a couple of sterlings, the others were turned over when collectors and profit presented itself.
Personally, I think the howa made ones make the nicest safe queens, though the early CA ones seem to have better bragging rights.
Sterlings seem to actually get used....
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Afaik, nothing...they just dont have as nice a fit & finish as the US or Japanese made ones.
Ive heard claims they can have issues, but Ive never seen that myself with dozens of them.
Ive had examples of each, still have a couple of sterlings, the others were turned over when collectors and profit presented itself.
Personally, I think the howa made ones make the nicest safe queens, though the early CA ones seem to have better bragging rights.
Sterlings seem to actually get used....
About sums it up...

I still have an early Sterling which has a pretty decent finish, but I've seen some that were much rougher looking. Mine has given sterling service ( )...

I've had no problems with the one I have.

I agree that the Japanese Howas are the nicest.

I also grabbed one of the Armalite Inc. manufactured AR-180B rifles when they first came out. I haven't put enough rounds through mine for a real test and have had no problems, but there have been many reports (even here on the falfiles) of softness of the bolt carriers leading to peening, and there have been many stories of damage to the front pivot pins of the plastic lower receiver. I have had none of those problems, but I've been extremely careful when pivoting the upper on the lower. A simple KNS type push-button pivot pin would have been a valuable modification on Armalite's part, but it appears that they just didn't care about the problems people had with their product. (One consequence of that seeming indifference is that I have never, nor will ever, purchase(d) another item from Armalite Inc. Actions have consequences, but that's another story...).

One change that I made to my AR-180B was to cut off the integral muzzle brake/device and thread the muzzle for a standard M16A1 flash suppressor. I also assembled another lower on a NoDakSpud aluminum NDS-18S lower receiver, also using the Stormwerkz folding stock module and an Ace tubular stock (like the Para FAL stock). I also installed one of Josh's cranked charging handles...

I kept the original AR-180B lower original, just in case the rifles become extremely valuable, of course... Oh, wait, I already phucked with the muzzle and cut the key slot in the carrier for the charging handle... Regardless, I still have the complete original lower to swap on if I want to...

The AR-18/AR-180 is a neat rifle, even with it's somewhat flimsy and fragile folding stock.

For what it's all worth...

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Old June 03, 2018, 08:00   #11
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Like my old Sterling bought back in the day for $350 with a Colt 3X scope mounted. I modded several 20 & 30 round AR 15 mags and have one original Sterling 30 rounder and a three 20s. It is a fun carbine and "not an AR 15".
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Hoping one will pop up while I am here in OKC!

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Old June 03, 2018, 18:26   #13
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I had a bushmaster copy of the 180 20 years ago. Stock was wobbly and the welds separated from the carrier/op rod. Got rid of it. Kinda wish I'd kept it though.
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Here is a Howa about to finish on GB:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772684768

Or buy this Sterling for $1300.00:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771614040
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Old June 06, 2018, 21:04   #16
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Old June 08, 2018, 16:33   #17
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I had a bushmaster copy of the 180 20 years ago. Stock was wobbly and the welds separated from the carrier/op rod. Got rid of it. Kinda wish I'd kept it though.
What rifle would that be. If your referring to the Gwinn firearms rifle that Bushmaster made, it is as closely related to the AR180 as an AUG is.

Like saying I have the Bushmaster copy of the Sig 550
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Afaik, nothing...they just dont have as nice a fit & finish as the US or Japanese made ones.
Ive heard claims they can have issues, but Ive never seen that myself with dozens of them.
Ive had examples of each, still have a couple of sterlings, the others were turned over when collectors and profit presented itself.
Personally, I think the howa made ones make the nicest safe queens, though the early CA ones seem to have better bragging rights.
Sterlings seem to actually get used....
I have a Sterling AR180 and it is a fine rifle both in fit and finish and shooting. If you are looking for a true collector AR180, the find a Costa Mesa rifle.
The downside to any preban AR180 is parts availability. Internal parts are few and far in between. AR15 magazines can be modified to work. There are prints available to so how to properly modify the AR15 magazine. It is more involved than just cutting a slot in the side of the mag. The follower has to be modified also.
I like my AR180 but don't shoot I met very often.
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AR 18

Ruben Mendiola had a transferable select fire Costa Mesa AR-18 not too long ago for 11 or 12k. Our PD used to have about a dozen, at one time. They have long since been traded off. May be one in armory as a sample.
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I had a Howa some years ago with an original scope set up. Traded it to a class three guy for my first subgun, an m11. The 180 was easy to make my own mags for, when you put a new uncut mag in the mag release scratches a perfect line. A simple cut at the end of the line and the mag works.
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There were at least Three unique grades of Stirling 180s imported

The real early ones came in with a phosphate finish. Very very nice guns
Shortly afterwards they went to an enamel over the phosphate, a bit tacky but decently executed.
Then there are the late guns
those are horrid

J&G in Arizona had a mess of the bad ones. We bought I think 5 when they were blowing them out. Zero QC, like two of the five had in the white internals, several had runs and sags in the paint which btw was not over phosphate.
Rumor was those were slapped together out of loose production parts after Stirling was going under and rattle canned up for the American market
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Afaik, nothing...they just dont have as nice a fit & finish as the US or Japanese made ones.
Ive heard claims they can have issues, but Ive never seen that myself with dozens of them.
Ive had examples of each, still have a couple of sterlings, the others were turned over when collectors and profit presented itself.
Personally, I think the howa made ones make the nicest safe queens, though the early CA ones seem to have better bragging rights.
Sterlings seem to actually get used....
Bushmaster made a copy of the AR18. I had one about 20 years ago. The dang carrier welds let go and I got rid of it. Kinda wish I had kept it. Other than that I hated the folding stock.
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Bushmaster made a copy of the AR18. I had one about 20 years ago. The dang carrier welds let go and I got rid of it. Kinda wish I had kept it. Other than that I hated the folding stock.
You mean this one, the M17S bullpup.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/bus...rcial-bullpup/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_M17S



or the Bushmaster Assault rifle

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375436

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I had a Howa some years ago with an original scope set up. Traded it to a class three guy for my first subgun, an m11. The 180 was easy to make my own mags for, when you put a new uncut mag in the mag release scratches a perfect line. A simple cut at the end of the line and the mag works.
Did the same on mine back in the day. Slotted the mag so I could use a mag in either type. Mine was a Howa.

Interesting story - when I was working for a machine company in the early 80s, we had a contract with the Japanese company Asahi. Their interpreter had previously worked at HOWA during the manufacture of the AR-18 and 180 but had never shot one. I invited him to go to the range and shoot mine and a BUNCH of co-workers who dealt with him daily all started offering him the chance to try shooting all sorts of rifles and pistols besides my AF-180. Fun day at the range.
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