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Old April 23, 2019, 19:54   #51
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The whole of the peninsula would have turned out like a North Korea.
Viet Nam wasn't "quickly over". Ask the Cambodians.
The Vietnamese had been at war since 1941, within 1.5 years after we left it was over.
That is pretty quickly.

Within a decade after being reunited, they started moving to semi capitalism and since 2000 have had one of the fastest growing GDPs, all without US tax dollars and other US welfare.

Had we never picked up where the French were kicked out, they would have been on the road to a functioning country far sooner without millions killed, maimed and the nation polluted with chems and bombs.

Why do you think Korea would have been different?

And when VN finally gave up trying to negotiate with the nutty Khmer Rouge, they invaded and it was over in 2 weeks.
That is pretty quickly too.

Imagine that, far flung countries are able to fix their problems without us.







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Old April 23, 2019, 21:16   #52
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The Vietnamese had been at war since 1941, within 1.5 years after we left it was over.
That is pretty quickly.

Within a decade after being reunited, they started moving to semi capitalism and since 2000 have had one of the fastest growing GDPs, all without US tax dollars and other US welfare.

Had we never picked up where the French were kicked out, they would have been on the road to a functioning country far sooner without millions killed, maimed and the nation polluted with chems and bombs.

Why do you think Korea would have been different?

And when VN finally gave up trying to negotiate with the nutty Khmer Rouge, they invaded and it was over in 2 weeks.
That is pretty quickly too.

Imagine that, far flung countries are able to fix their problems without us.

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,,, and the sore on my tally wacker will heal it's self if I don't play with it.
The South East Asia Treaty was just a piece of paper,,, a solemn pledge to act if attacked in defence should never be honoured.
Your logic if held by a majority insures that every Democracy in the world will fail and fall,,, including the one you live in and are now protected by,,, you'll need more than a concrete house to save your ass,,,, start thinkin' hole in the ground.
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Old April 23, 2019, 21:25   #53
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,,, and the sore on my tally wacker will heal it's self if I don't play with it.
The South East Asia Treaty was just a piece of paper,,, a solemn pledge to act if attacked in defence should never be honoured.
Your logic if held by a majority insures that every Democracy in the world will fail and fall,,, including the one you live in and are now protected by,,, you'll need more than a concrete house to save your ass,,,, start thinkin' hole in the ground.
J has shown himself as a hobo American. Most folks don't understand his free lifestyle so you have to look up what a hobo is. King of the road.
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Old April 23, 2019, 21:33   #54
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J has shown himself as a hobo American. Most folks don't understand his free lifestyle so you have to look up what a hobo is. King of the road.
Are you sublimely telling jaunni to 'hit the road"
If so that makes it unanimous.
And lets eliminate all the mosquitoes in Louisianan.

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Old April 23, 2019, 21:37   #55
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Are you telling jaunni to 'hit the road" ?
I am saying he lives amoung us but not with us. Hobos are self centered individuals that work to stay alive but don't want to be part of any society that controls their life in any way. They can never be part of the military but are a step above a tramp. Free men they are.
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I am saying he lives amoung us but not with us. Hobos are self centered individuals that work to stay alive but don't want to be part of any society that controls their life in any way. They can never be part of the military but are a step above a tramp. Free men they are.
It takes a lot of penicillin to stay that way.
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Old April 23, 2019, 21:48   #57
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It takes a lot of penicillin to stay that way.
As men you can never expect much out of them, they are not builders in this world. It's all good, he is free to be what he wants but folks should recognize his opinions are worthless. There is no foundation behind them.
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Old April 23, 2019, 22:37   #58
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There is no doubt you or J will never be mistaken for patriots, neither of you fit the mould. Both of you would let some dumb sob do the fighting for you and both of you would live off the fruits of the land for free. In a real world you wouldn't get full citizenship because you are not full citizens. However the good men that died to preserve that right for you deserve greater respect from you.
Stop being a twit BJ., I come from a Military family. I have the utmost respect for the military - but not the hegemonious articulation of it. My Father fought in places you only have read of. He fought so I didn't have to, and why not - thats why he fought. But in no way does any of that mean I support just any War, just because some politician wants to send good men off to do their dirty work! Think harder.
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Old April 23, 2019, 23:34   #59
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Stop being a twit BJ., I come from a Military family. I have the utmost respect for the military - but not the hegemonious articulation of it. My Father fought in places you only have read of. He fought so I didn't have to, and why not - thats why he fought. But in no way does any of that mean I support just any War, just because some politician wants to send good men off to do their dirty work! Think harder.
Its ok tryp, it's a free country and you can be what you want. Don't let it bother you that people try to pigeon hole you by reading your post, it's identity politics. See by your post you get to pick and choose who is right or wrong, that's a lot of power so are you informed enough to make the decisions for the rest of us?

Here in America free men can make decisions for themselves, you don't even have to be part of the culture. Does the free man have a right to tell others how to live or die and what's good for them? Free men without foundation or sacrifice for the culture are just not part of the culture so what use is their opinion?
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Old April 24, 2019, 00:29   #60
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Stop being a twit BJ., I come from a Military family. I have the utmost respect for the military - but not the hegemonious articulation of it. My Father fought in places you only have read of. He fought so I didn't have to, and why not - thats why he fought. But in no way does any of that mean I support just any War, just because some politician wants to send good men off to do their dirty work! Think harder.
I agree...

And I have fought in those wars...

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Stop being a twit BJ., I come from a Military family. I have the utmost respect for the military - but not the hegemonious articulation of it. My Father fought in places you only have read of. He fought so I didn't have to, and why not - thats why he fought. But in no way does any of that mean I support just any War, just because some politician wants to send good men off to do their dirty work! Think harder.
^^^ this.
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^^^ this.
Et too Brutus

Ya know Red Skelton played a lovable hobo called Freddie the Free Loader. Charming character to the kids.
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All is forgiven BJ., being left brained, is a condition many great people have met their demise over. Loose lips sinks ships as they say - thankfully you only get to fall off your armchair!
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No one actually wants war if they are normal,,, to oppose war with rhetoric is one thing but to actively oppose your nation in a time of war should have consequence's.
Prior to the Korean War voicing opposition to your nations war efforts could get you time in the pokey or a ass whipping,,, or both,,, many people who lose or might lose a loved one bring strong emotions to the argument,,, the risk is optional, but still a risk,,, and rightly so.
We at the present time as a nation are experiencing a politically motivated opposition to illegal entry to our country,,, it is to aid and abet the destruction of my county as it exists,,, it won't end well,,, ours is a blood in blood out society,,, a majority don't realize that it is a war of revolution we all will be part of,,,, like it or not.
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All is forgiven BJ., being left brained, is a condition many great people have met their demise over. Loose lips sinks ships as they say - thankfully you only get to fall off your armchair!
Its all good. A lot of folks forget Americana of the past. Even Bubs thought I was insulting you and he is an old guy who should know the difference in hobos and say tramps. It was never an insult but I can see how those who don't know what a hobo is might get insulted.

My apologies
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Ya know Red Skelton played a lovable hobo called Freddie the Free Loader. Charming character to the kids.
Not the twit part, my bad. Rest was spot on tho.
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It's all good BJ., no one died!
Martin, when does it become the responsibility of a Citizens Militia to take action - I wonder what the legal arguments might be, especially with that arrest in NM., of that Militia Cmdr.? Seems they are cooking up other charges - which seems predictable.
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It's all good BJ., no one died!
Martin, when does it become the responsibility of a Citizens Militia to take action - I wonder what the legal arguments might be, especially with that arrest in NM., of that Militia Cmdr.? Seems they are cooking up other charges - which seems predictable.
The 1st Minutemen at Bunker Hill were Minutemen and civilian militia in short britches,,, there is presidence.
By King Georges law that were criminals,,, our history books call them American heroes,,, which Democrats ain't ,,, anymore.
The present day law does not allow for self defence of the sort used to settle our wilderness frontiers populated with unruly Indians and wild life,,, all of which are protected species now.
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It's all good BJ., no one died!
Martin, when does it become the responsibility of a Citizens Militia to take action - I wonder what the legal arguments might be, especially with that arrest in NM., of that Militia Cmdr.? Seems they are cooking up other charges - which seems predictable.
Well as you well know the 1st Revolution was spawned by not gun seizures but the desire to control the Powder itself.
The militia itself was the whole body of 13+ year old "Men" who were seen as being able to Fight in the case of an Indian thing erupting like the French-Indian wars fought

it just became a thing that a boy passed into Manhood at 13 back then

Anyways colonial members of the militia received a draw on powder at the public magazines. Yes you could buy powder but most Men just took a draw.
Yes it was very much Black Powder Welfare

Colonies were not buying powder really. More often than not it was supplied from Crown stores by the Crown up into the 1700s
that's always ignored. I know I'm an asshole for even bringing it up.

Thing was the Crown wanted the powder magazines that they owned under their personal control
well guys worried about the free shit getting cut off or at least restricted assembled on Lexington Green
That's the so-called "spark" that lit our Revolution.
and not saying anything bad about what the colonials did either

It was a situation where England had established that all you Men and boys are responsible for making an attempt to protect our turf...that was the inception of our Gun culture
my opinion is that due to America starting as a culture of the Firearm we are way different than older nation=states like the UK, France, Japan, etc

Think about it, America has zero Sword tradition really, maybe 1860 Ames Saber at best
But GUNS ?
Oh Heck yeah. America missed the Sword era mostly
We became a major exporter in the 1850s with Sam Colt
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