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Old January 28, 2018, 22:34   #1
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My H&R matching (except trigger guard) M1 Garand

Traded a S&W 629-1 +$110 for this. I think I came out ahead op rod was a SA, but I switched it out with a HRA to make it correct. Rifle shoots tight groups as well. I have no idea what CMP grade this would be, but I think at least service grade.














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Old January 28, 2018, 23:22   #2
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That is a Nice original rifle !!!! is the bore shiney?? or just not cleaned from last shooting >??
The stock will clean up most excellent ,,,and Most small dents can be steamed out ..My Buddy and I picked up 2 M1 Rifles years ago at CMP North store and picked the racks for 3 hours to sort out 10 rifles we finally make a pick of 2 !!
You did real good ,,Now for the shooting report --

EDIT=---I think your trigger guard is WWII forged and Milled ! Thinking H+R are stamped
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Old January 28, 2018, 23:58   #3
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That is a Nice original rifle !!!! is the bore shiney?? or just not cleaned from last shooting >??
The stock will clean up most excellent ,,,and Most small dents can be steamed out ..My Buddy and I picked up 2 M1 Rifles years ago at CMP North store and picked the racks for 3 hours to sort out 10 rifles we finally make a pick of 2 !!
You did real good ,,Now for the shooting report --

EDIT=---I think your trigger guard is WWII forged and Milled ! Thinking H+R are stamped
Bore is mirror bright. Trigger guard is in fact WW2. Don't know how that got on an all H&R rifle! Serial number and barrel are within same timeline as well. More pics of bore. Best I could get. I can say the barrel has zero corrosion and looks new





Shooting report: first time out I used PPU M2 and did 2in groups at 50 yards. I was just function testing. It hit POA. It's an accurate rifle and I'll test it properly soon
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Old January 29, 2018, 05:40   #4
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Very nice rifle.

Reminds me of an all H&R M-14 with a new synthetic stock I saw in Iraq in OIF 2. True thing of beauty.

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Old January 29, 2018, 05:54   #5
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Old January 29, 2018, 06:38   #6
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Very nice rifle.

Reminds me of an all H&R M-14 with a new synthetic stock I saw in Iraq in OIF 2. True thing of beauty.

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I wonder how the guys that used them liked them?

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Old January 29, 2018, 07:58   #7
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I would not be surprised to find out that the SA Op Rod and WW2 milled trigger guard were original to that rifle.
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Old January 29, 2018, 08:31   #8
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I would not be surprised to find out that the SA Op Rod and WW2 milled trigger guard were original to that rifle.
Think so? I kept the SA op rod (obviously), but I needed it to have a HRA one lol. Considering the condition of everything else on the rifle, I doubt this thing was really even fired much before I got it.

Based on your screen name, I bet you know a lot about these. What CMP condition would you rank this rifle based on the pics? As I said, I traded a 629-1 ($650) and $110 on top of that for this rifle at a LGS.
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Old January 29, 2018, 13:46   #9
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Deal

As the CMP is selling them for a lot more you did great
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Old January 30, 2018, 05:59   #10
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While some small SA Post War parts were occasionally found on late HRA rifles a milled trigger guard is not one of them. Also what is stamped on the gas screw, it has to much wear for the rest of the rifle
You say its all HRA but do you know how to identify HRA parts that are no stamped???
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Think so? I kept the SA op rod (obviously), but I needed it to have a HRA one lol. Considering the condition of everything else on the rifle, I doubt this thing was really even fired much before I got it.

Based on your screen name, I bet you know a lot about these. What CMP condition would you rank this rifle based on the pics? As I said, I traded a 629-1 ($650) and $110 on top of that for this rifle at a LGS.
I will not comment on CMP grading. I would say your rifle is in very good condition with some rack wear, but little firing wear. You did well on the price.
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Old January 31, 2018, 10:15   #12
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IF you lay hands on some OJP -61 ammo its great in an M1 snd choice FN-58,61 ,Both berdan ..works great in My rifles !
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Old February 09, 2018, 02:14   #13
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While some small SA Post War parts were occasionally found on late HRA rifles a milled trigger guard is not one of them. Also what is stamped on the gas screw, it has to much wear for the rest of the rifle
You say its all HRA but do you know how to identify HRA parts that are no stamped???
I don't, but all marked components are marked H&R
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IF you lay hands on some OJP -61 ammo its great in an M1 snd choice FN-58,61 ,Both berdan ..works great in My rifles !
I've stocked up on PPU, S&B, (about 600 rounds between the two), Iranian surplus (400 rounds. Isn't super accurate, but non-corrosive and ok for plinking) and I picked up some late 50's LC on stripper clips in bandoliers (3 bandoliers, all full), and that lot also came with 6 full clips (48 rounds) of IMI. Only other .30-06 I have is a Remington '03A3 (which is a tack driver), and considering these won't be shot as much as my main rifles, I think I'm in good shape for .30-06

pics of the 03A3 (1943)


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Old February 09, 2018, 05:44   #15
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I don't, but all marked components are marked H&R
No not all, the trigger guard is not HRA, the umarked parts may also be of other manufacture
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No not all, the trigger guard is not HRA, the umarked parts may also be of other manufacture
Any way to tell on the other parts (not trigger guard)?
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need a picture of the buttplate
close up picture of the gas cylinder, both sides
bottom of the lugs on the folllower arm
both sides of the follower rod by the bend
the trigger taken out of the trigger group
the window of the hammer spring housing
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Old February 09, 2018, 21:20   #18
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need a picture of the buttplate
close up picture of the gas cylinder, both sides
bottom of the lugs on the folllower arm
both sides of the follower rod by the bend
the trigger taken out of the trigger group
the window of the hammer spring housing
I'll do it tonight and post pics. Maybe like 45 minutes-hour or so
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Old February 09, 2018, 22:24   #19
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So, safety, trigger and hammer are SA as well












Considering the condition of the rifle it doesn't appear to be a refurb though (and that the serial # and barrel are within the same production period year)

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Is there a reason the sling is reversed fore and aft on your rifle?
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need a picture of the buttplate- HRA
close up picture of the gas cylinder, both sides- looks to be HRA
hammer -SA


Cant tell the rest of the parts as you did not dissasemble the rifle and take pics of the parts as asked

bottom of the lugs on the folllower arm-
both sides of the follower rod by the bend
the trigger taken out of the trigger group
the window of the hammer spring housing

Also take a picture of the backside of the bullet guide opposite the lobe
cant see in your picture is there a number stamped on the bottom of the follower?
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Is there a reason the sling is reversed fore and aft on your rifle?
How it came, haven't bother to fix it yet
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need a picture of the buttplate- HRA
close up picture of the gas cylinder, both sides- looks to be HRA
hammer -SA


Cant tell the rest of the parts as you did not dissasemble the rifle and take pics of the parts as asked

bottom of the lugs on the folllower arm-
both sides of the follower rod by the bend
the trigger taken out of the trigger group
the window of the hammer spring housing

Also take a picture of the backside of the bullet guide opposite the lobe
cant see in your picture is there a number stamped on the bottom of the follower?
Haven't fully broke it down yet. I'll attempt it a little later
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I would not be surprised to find out that the SA Op Rod and WW2 milled trigger guard were original to that rifle.
Not at all. HRA as well as IHC and later SA rifles were shipped with stamped triggerguards.Stamped make for a better shooter.
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Great looking M1!!! I have an H&R too. Mine has a Springfield bbl and bolt but it shoots so good I will leave them in place. I did change out the WW2 trigger guard and Springfield trigger group for an H&R. This one also has a look bar rear sight. If it was a WW2 dated receiver, I would have all post war parts on it! Who cares.... Its an M1 and that's what matters. Enjoy.
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I will not comment on CMP grading. I would say your rifle is in very good condition with some rack wear, but little firing wear. You did well on the price.
Off the top of my head, CMP grades it's guns based on throat erosion. Without
gauging it, it's hard to say. If you get 2" at 50 years, your barrel still has life.

Regardless, it's a fine rifle. From the 56xxxxxxx serial number and the "55"
on the barrel, I would say this rifle and barrel was manufactured in 1955.

What is nice about it, is the Department of Defense Acceptance Stamp, 3/8"
by 3/8" on left side of stock. The other stamp is the circle 'P' proof mark, without serifs.



My garands have new wood on them, thus no historic cartouches. These add
value IMHO.

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I would not be surprised to find out that the SA Op Rod and WW2 milled trigger guard were original to that rifle.
The barrel has a "55" on it, indicating the barrel was manufactured in 1955.
The serial number "56xxxxxxxx" which is a 50's receiver. I would think,
if the gun was original, all the parts would be H&R but have seen some SA
parts in the picture.

Were used WWII parts put in new 1950 Garands or did this happen when the
gun was refurbished?

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Were used WWII parts put in new 1950 Garands or did this happen when the
gun was refurbished?

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If you read back through the previous posts , no the trigger guard is not correct
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Off the top of my head, CMP grades it's guns based on throat erosion. Without
gauging it, it's hard to say. If you get 2" at 50 years, your barrel still has life.

Regardless, it's a fine rifle. From the 56xxxxxxx serial number and the "55"
on the barrel, I would say this rifle and barrel was manufactured in 1955.

What is nice about it, is the Department of Defense Acceptance Stamp, 3/8"
by 3/8" on left side of stock. The other stamp is the circle 'P' proof mark, without serifs.



My garands have new wood on them, thus no historic cartouches. These add
value IMHO.

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I'm taking it out again this Friday. I was just plinking with it and not really doing an accuracy test. I'm sure it'll do much better when I take my time
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The rifle looks like a better condition Greek "Service Grade" return from a few years ago. Many of these rifles were in near mint condition minus Often, the rifles would only need an op-rod, stock, trigger guard, or bolt (sometimes one item, sometimes two or thee).

You have a mixmaster trigger group. Your best off your picking up an orignal matching HRA trigger than replacing the small parts individually.

Your rifle is too late for an SA op-rod, or SA small parts.

Your gas plug should be HRA marked (I cannot tell if it is or not in your pix).

Check out the CMP forum for further Garand discussion and input. They have an excellent Marketplace their for picking up the parts you need to correct your rifle, and sell the others.
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