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Old December 03, 2018, 00:17   #1
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Been on a bit of a CZ high lately.

Bought my first 75B last year and absolutely fell in love with it.

In September I then bought a 75D Compact as a carry pistol. The way it shoots makes look good.

Then I splurged on a matched pair of polished stainless 75B’s, added walnut grips and am getting by buddy Randy at North Texas Saddlery to make me a fancy rig to carry them around in. These’ll Be my “uptown guns” for when we need to OC into a fancy get together.

Then last week I bought my wife a Scorpion Evo 3 carbine to plink with. Mounted a red dot from Sig as well... Christmas a Gift.

Then on Friday, I bought a Shadow 2. All I can say is that this weekend the Shadow and I chewed through almost 700 rounds.
Holy Schmitt what an awesome pistol. I look like a real maestro with that pointed down range. It has what to me us easily the nicest trigger I’ve ever had on a handgun. Period.
This pistol and the Compact are the ones that succeeded in putting the Inglis into the safe.

I guess I’ve joined the Cz cult like some of y’all.
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Old December 04, 2018, 18:54   #2
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CZs are easy to like. Had a CZ 75BD many years ago, and like you, I really appreciated what an excellent firearm it was. Foolishly sold it off during the dark times and have kicked myself in the ass ever since.

During the last year a CZ SP01 followed me home. And then a RAMI caught my eye. Couldn't resist the cute little bugger. Shoots smooth and accurate for such a little gun. The short grip works well but does feel a bit odd in my hand. For every day carry I picked up the P07. It's a light weight with the Tupperware frame and it uses the Omega trigger system. The jury is still out on that one. Rami won the carry contest.

Didn't make the move to the Shadow but did make the choice for a Wittness Stock II in 10mm. Much like the CZ action that it is based off of, only it's hammer down with the 10mm cartridge. Shoots way better than I can.

Best thing with the CZ pistol design is the exposed hammer, de-cocker, and double action. You ride the hammer down when re-holstering making sure there will be no ND in your future. Never worry about suffering Glock leg or blowing your dick off while holstering appendix carrying. Can't happen with the hammer un-cocked and thumb riding back of hammer. An errant shirt tail can touch off a striker fired weapon.

Should have bought the Scorpion pistol but ended up getting the Sig MPX instead. It's a fine unit and does everything well, but Sig tends to release a weapon and just leaves it in the dust and move to the next challenge. Sig does innovate, and at times does push the envelope. Scorpion has tons of aftermarket support already with more coming every day. Much more than the MPX. Either one can turn an ammo stash into a knee deep pile of empty cases in no time at all.
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Scored a CZ75SA recently which I really like a lot. Not quite as comfortable to my hand as my beloved BHPs, and noticeably heavierso it will never replace them for my carry choice, but I do really like the CZ a whole lot. Couple of thousand rounds through the one, not a single malf yet !
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Old December 04, 2018, 21:03   #4
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I always said it would take a real special pistol to put my old reliable Inglis in the safe, but to me the Compact 75D is all I have in the Inglis plus itís new and can eat up HP rounds all day long. Try THAT with the Inglis. Itís military and prefers NATO ball ammo.

They say CZ took the best of the BHP and the 1911 and designed out the faults, making a better pistol through the exercise, and I sure can believe it.
These are the only pistols not designed by John Moses Browning that Iíve ever picked up and felt instantly comfortable with.

Iíve never owned a Witness or any Tanfoglio for that matter, I have the real thing so a clone just ainít in the cards.
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If the full size 75 is too heavy, try the Compact. Itís a bit lighter and a bit smaller as well. Itíll hold 14+1 and shoots as well as the full frame. Plus, the sights are bloody fantastic.
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I love the P09 but the P10c is really a great pistol - not as refined as a G19 or G45 but way more ergonomic
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I love the P09 but the P10c is really a great pistol - not as refined as a G19 or G45 but way more ergonomic
Never been a fan of polymers or striker fired pistols, but if the P09 is as nice as the rest, I might take a look.

Striker fired and me just donít get along. I still have both my feet, and I want to keep it that way.
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I love the P09 but the P10c is really a great pistol - not as refined as a G19 or G45 but way more ergonomic
I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'not as refined as a G19 or G45'...

I carry a Gen2 Glock 17, but I have grown very attached to the CZ P-10C and the CZ P-09 Duty. Certainly, the CZ P-10C is much more ergonomic than the G17/G19, and the trigger is better too.

And the CZ P-09 Duty certainly feels better in the hand than a Glock, and the trigger is pretty good too.

Just sayin'...

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Ergonomics must be a CZ thing, because every single one I own feels absolutely natural to me. When I hold them out, they just point naturally, no twisting or squirming around to get a sight picture of the target. And they just naturally settle down to the target for me at least, for that perfect double tap.
I donít even have to think about it, it just Ďisí.

If the polymer hammer fired gun is as nice, Iíll probably own one by the weekend. If I can find one.
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Ergonomics must be a CZ thing, because every single one I own feels absolutely natural to me. When I hold them out, they just point naturally, no twisting or squirming around to get a sight picture of the target. And they just naturally settle down to the target for me at least, for that perfect double tap.
I donít even have to think about it, it just Ďisí.

If the polymer hammer fired gun is as nice, Iíll probably own one by the weekend. If I can find one.
Keep in mind that there is an added benefit to this in that the currently produced mags for the CZ P-09 Duty (19 rds) will also fit and work in the CZ P-10C (sticking out the bottom like a G17 mag in a G19, of course). The older P-09 mags do not have the additional cut for the P-10C.

From what I've read, the P-09 mags will also work in the P-07 (if you have one).

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when my friend introduced me to guns many many years ago, i stared off on a BHP and 1911.

Like them both, but the BHP felt like holding a 2x2. After shooting a revolver, i was thinking why not have something like a DA in autoloader. Then i read bout a CZ and years later when they were available i got one and was hooked. Felt like they were made for me and they were way more accurate than me too.

I love my CZs and they are one of the faves for me and my collection.

i got one of the CZ Customs, toys and its a hoot.
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The P07 mags do not interchange with the standard 75 family. Tupperware framed mags are different in width. Why they did that instead of having full compatibility across the line escapes me.

Only real gripe I ever hear about CZs is about the slide being tucked inside the frame leaving only a short purchase for racking the slide. It is lots smaller than most pistols, but never seemed like much of an issue to me.

Have any of you ever had any experience with a CZ97? I lusted after a CZ in 45 auto and yet could never find one in stock anywhere. Nor have I ever even seen one to handle. Probably lead me to pick up a Tanfo in 10mm. One of these days if one shows up, maybe. If I don't die first.
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CZs are easy to like. Had a CZ 75BD many years ago, and like you, I really appreciated what an excellent firearm it was. Foolishly sold it off during the dark times and have kicked myself in the ass ever since.

During the last year a CZ SP01 followed me home. And then a RAMI caught my eye. Couldn't resist the cute little bugger. Shoots smooth and accurate for such a little gun. The short grip works well but does feel a bit odd in my hand. For every day carry I picked up the P07. It's a light weight with the Tupperware frame and it uses the Omega trigger system. The jury is still out on that one. Rami won the carry contest.

Didn't make the move to the Shadow but did make the choice for a Wittness Stock II in 10mm. Much like the CZ action that it is based off of, only it's hammer down with the 10mm cartridge. Shoots way better than I can.

Best thing with the CZ pistol design is the exposed hammer, de-cocker, and double action. You ride the hammer down when re-holstering making sure there will be no ND in your future. Never worry about suffering Glock leg or blowing your dick off while holstering appendix carrying. Can't happen with the hammer un-cocked and thumb riding back of hammer. An errant shirt tail can touch off a striker fired weapon.

Should have bought the Scorpion pistol but ended up getting the Sig MPX instead. It's a fine unit and does everything well, but Sig tends to release a weapon and just leaves it in the dust and move to the next challenge. Sig does innovate, and at times does push the envelope. Scorpion has tons of aftermarket support already with more coming every day. Much more than the MPX. Either one can turn an ammo stash into a knee deep pile of empty cases in no time at all.
I also have the Rami and a P07.
Very happy with both.
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I actually like the inside slide on the CZ.
The P210,I think, has the same feature.

To me, it makes the pistol tighter and therefore more accurate.
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The P07 mags do not interchange with the standard 75 family. Tupperware framed mags are different in width. Why they did that instead of having full compatibility across the line escapes me.

Only real gripe I ever hear about CZs is about the slide being tucked inside the frame leaving only a short purchase for racking the slide. It is lots smaller than most pistols, but never seemed like much of an issue to me.

Have any of you ever had any experience with a CZ97? I lusted after a CZ in 45 auto and yet could never find one in stock anywhere. Nor have I ever even seen one to handle. Probably lead me to pick up a Tanfo in 10mm. One of these days if one shows up, maybe. If I don't die first.
In the context of our discussion here, this might be a little misleading...

The CZ P-09 does have the slide within the frame that CZ is known for from the CZ-75 days.

The CZ-P10C does NOT have the slide within the frame.

Having said that, I don't have problems with purchase on the slide within the frame guns and I have big hands.

The CZ P-09 is a polymer-framed, hammer fired, DA/SA auto and is delivered with a decocker module in the frame. It also comes with an easily replaceable module that turns the gun into a standard safety gun so that it can be carried cocked-and-locked like a 1911.

The CZ P-10C is a polymer-framed, striker-fired gun with a really nice trigger (almost as good as a Walther PPQ is what they always say, which is true ).

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..........Have any of you ever had any experience with a CZ97? I lusted after a CZ in 45 auto and yet could never find one in stock anywhere. Nor have I ever even seen one to handle. Probably lead me to pick up a Tanfo in 10mm. One of these days if one shows up, maybe. If I don't die first.
i got 2 of them. 1 used, 1 NIB

The NIB is fine and a tack driver. The used one has feed issues but its due to the mag catch - too low or not cut right. push up on the mag base, and it purrs. Just been to lazy to fix it.

some people said that they had issues with the screw in barrel bushing, but i cant say that but i will state that i havent shot 1 gazillion rounds through mine either.

I have some of the EAA/Witness too and they are great toys. I have the 45ACP/22LR combo kit and the 10mm version too. I like them since you can get the various conversion uppers for them.
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Quite awhile back I handled an EAA at a gunshop (Ron Petersen's for you NM boys). The front sight was loose and wobbly. That soured me on the whole CZ, EAA gun thing so whenever I would hear of or see either of these I'd immediately go to POS mode. So I never gave them another thought.

A couple years ago Splat and I were talking about HPs and CZs. His opinion of the CZ caused me to relook and I was pleasantly surprised at what I was seeing. Since I had lumped EAA and CZ together in the gun crap pile I realized that I was guilty of cultural generalization based upon one incident. Since then I've acquired one, or two, or three or so CZ pistols. They dominate the gun safe these days. I also picked up a polymer EAA in 10mm which excited me as to its concealability and light weight and punch. I'm having feed issues with that POS. It seems that my initial assesmnt of EAA from years back was correct.
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I have a 75B and 75D Compact. Both are spot on with accuracy and function. The 75B came with plastic grip panels and the Compact with rubber. I love the rubber and ordered a set for the full sized pistol. The compact is my carry pistol and has replaced everything else. Except for my pocket pistols used when belt carry is not an option. I installed a trigger kit from Cajun Gun Works on the 75B since this is going to be a target gun only. The kit included a straight trigger, springs, firing pin, and other fire control parts. Ended up with a 3 pound SAO trigger that was pulled back around 5mm (ľ inch) and corresponding reset point. I have about 2000 rounds through it and nary a hiccup.

The RAMI is just too small to comfortably fit in my hand and shoot, I would have one of those too.
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The RAMI is just too small to comfortably fit in my hand and shoot, I would have one of those too.
The Rami is definitely on the small side as far as grips go. Very accurate shooter just like the bigger CZs. But that pinky finger just dangles below the magazine with no contribution to shooting whatsoever. I would really like Pearce to come out with a mag extender that would provide a purchase for that useless digit. So far there is none to be found. Sure, I can use the extended capacity mags, but they look a bit odd not matching the frame.

In the mean time, the Rami is still my choice for CCW, beating out the Tupperware framed P-07 and that Omega trigger system. The Rami has the Cajun Gun Works trigger kit installed and is sweet. The Omega feels a bit mushy although not really too bad.
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I have a 75B and 75D Compact. Both are spot on with accuracy and function. The 75B came with plastic grip panels and the Compact with rubber. I love the rubber and ordered a set for the full sized pistol. The compact is my carry pistol and has replaced everything else. Except for my pocket pistols used when belt carry is not an option. I installed a trigger kit from Cajun Gun Works on the 75B since this is going to be a target gun only. The kit included a straight trigger, springs, firing pin, and other fire control parts. Ended up with a 3 pound SAO trigger that was pulled back around 5mm (ľ inch) and corresponding reset point. I have about 2000 rounds through it and nary a hiccup.

The RAMI is just too small to comfortably fit in my hand and shoot, I would have one of those too.
Just got off the phone with the fine folks at CGW and they're sending me a Pro Kit for my stainless 75B now as well. The trigger on the Shadow 2 has spoiled me rotten and now that I know what it can do, I'm going to get rid of the single action creep that's in the stock 75B.
(Funny how you never notice it until you shoot a tuned gun and see what's really possible.)
I'm not going to get rid of the pin block because this pistol will be a bit more than just a range gun and I don't need to BS if it ever needs using in a situation.

The Compact 75D has had the trigger cleaned up and it's just sweet as pie. That thing shoots like a dream.
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If the polymer hammer fired gun is as nice, Iíll probably own one by the weekend. If I can find one.
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Played with one today. Hammer gun, full polymer, has a threaded barrel. Still haven’t shot one, but I will soon enough. P.07 I think is what it was. Nice feel and lightweight.

I’ll never own a striker fired pistol, unfortunately. I have this real desire to avoid the dreaded “Glock Foot”.
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Played with one today. Hammer gun, full polymer, has a threaded barrel. Still havenít shot one, but I will soon enough. P.07 I think is what it was. Nice feel and lightweight.

Iíll never own a striker fired pistol, unfortunately. I have this real desire to avoid the dreaded ďGlock FootĒ.
I've significantly reduced my striker fired glocks. My preference in a polymer frame has been FNs with the hammer. I'd like to get a polymer frame CZ in a smaller size with a hammer but it is low on my list of wants. If one falls into my lap cheap then it's game on, other than that I'm kind of meh Ö
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The C 97 - really isn't much different from my SP 01. It's a little broader but really it's 96% the same!! I have a Plastic Rami, which is almost weightless, certainly no belt dragger -- and is accurate as damn, more so than the Sp 01 at 7 yards - must do that barrel bushing option - I hear it's a night and day thing for the SP' ??? The CZ 97, isn't in the stable yet, it will be tho' - it's right at the top of the list - from what I gather it is exceptionally accurate out of the box!
The SP barrel bushing is fixed(pinned) in the slide, where the Rami's and the '97's are not (separate, and require a twist and locate) - the Sp's barrel is less 'tight,' as it were in the stock slide bushing! The Sp seems to shoot tighter groups when shot dry - better mating at the lug surfaces, thus greater barrel seating consistencies???? - anyway CZ firearms are solid, well maybe not the plastic Rami, but it is accurate, and light - takes 27 round Sp mags like a monkey eating a banana! ????
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Had the P07 out for a range session this morning. It's the one in my CZ stable that hasn't won me over yet. At least not until now. Went in with an open mind and found that this tupperware framed unit is actually quite decent. Shot accurately and handled nice and smooth. Omega trigger still seems a bit odd to me, but I can learn to deal with it. Would make a great carry gun. The RAMI is worried!
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Had the P07 out for a range session this morning. It's the one in my CZ stable that hasn't won me over yet. At least not until now. Went in with an open mind and found that this tupperware framed unit is actually quite decent. Shot accurately and handled nice and smooth. Omega trigger still seems a bit odd to me, but I can learn to deal with it. Would make a great carry gun. The RAMI is worried!
I'm liking the Tupperware frame, but until I get a brain transplant I think I'm sticking with cold, hard steel. P.07 will be around, but it's definitely second fiddle for me. I'm trying to open my wife's mind to it now, as she carries a 238 only, with a .44 Magnum Henry carbine in the trunk of her car.
The CZ.75d Compact really seems to work for me as a carry pistol. It rides well in my shoulder rig, disappears into my jeans pocket if I'm not all strapped up, shoots as well as or better than I can, points effortlessly, and for my hands at least, is ergonomically perfect in every way.
It's a little gun that doesn't think it's so little.

As for the 97, it's nice, but then we're back to the old 9 vs 45 thing, and I'm not opening that can. Let's just say that for what I do and taking into account my shooting ability, I don't feel that I need a 45 at this point in time.
As for the RAMI, I like it, but I already have a 238 as well which works well as a pocket rocket.
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Old December 13, 2018, 16:06   #28
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I like my RAMI. Great little gun. But I'll have to side with you on the compact. It's ergonomics are better than the RAMI with the fuller grip. I would like to see a RAMI with a single stack fuller length grip. Take my money, please. Single stack has enough rounds for me along with a spare mag. I don't plan on a protracted fire fight. 1911s worked well for years. Choices for everyone!

I believe that the Czech police issue is a compact frame in aluminum alloy, if metal frame is what you need. Only problem is that they can be scarce as hen's teeth to find. Limited allocation and people snatch them up fast as they come in. Nice and light weight for carry, yet not having to rely on plastic makes them highly desirable. Would not mind one myself.

Now as far as that 44 mag Henry carbine, I gotta say that it's one piece of kit. How do I know? Got one myself. Was in the local fun store and it caught my eye. Had the man take it down from the display and hand it to me. What a delight to look upon and handle. I did have to put the large loop lever on, though. Arthritis has the parts not moving so well anymore. It followed me home..
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Everyone should have a good CZ in their lives. But then that would drive the prices up, so never mind. ;-)

About to send a P-01 (one of my primary carries) off to see the wizards at CGW for their defense/carry package, flatter trigger and some meprolights. Curious to see/feel the action difference. Hope my expectations aren't too high. Fingers crossed...
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CZ 85 trigger is a big improvement to me. Has a lot less hook with a shorter reach. Finger placement, in my opinion, is better for trigger control. The sear and hammer work will be impressive in smoothness and reduced pull weights. Prepare yourself for some serious grins.
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I installed one of the CGW trigger mods on my 75B. I gave them a call and spoke with one of their reps. Told him what I wanted and what I was going to do with the pistol. He said I needed this , this, and that. I ordered what he told me, installed it myself, and it was everything and more what he said it would do.
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I fell pry to this CZ handgun plauge as well. Enlighten me on this CGW trigger you speak of.
Their 22 rifles are the business.

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Here is a video showing the results of some of their work.

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Amen!

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Now there is a picture of the gun makers art. Both are beautiful pieces of work. I've looked them over many times but had to put on the brakes on buying any more guns. At my age I should be lightening my load, so to speak. Makes my wallet ache just looking at them.
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I had a 75B that was great. Foolishly traded it for a Glock 34. Iíve regretted it ever since.
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I love the P01. Debating on Cajunizing it or leaving it stock. Has anyone here shot or owned the 40 S&W Tac Sport? Might be able to the orange 40 TS but donít need it !
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I would also be interested to hear a comparison of the TSO and Shadow 2. Iíve heard and read nothing but good things on the Shadow 2 however there isnít a lot out there on the TSO. I wish I could afford both but st the moment I can only get one. Seems like the S2 is for production and the TSO is for limited. Iím looking to have fun planing and doing some comps including 3 gun.
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Nice. my first CZ was a 75b...with the silver trigger that always looked out of place on an auto. Great pistol, a little gawmy, but good. One day a few years ago stopped at my LGS and while looking at the used pistolas I fell in love with a little CZ Lady. The second she was in my hand, omg, all I could think of was the love I felt with my first P-35, BHP for you pups. This PCR, with a black trigger, to this minute she is my love. In a matter of minutes said CZ 75b was his and Lady PCR was mine. CZ does and has always made superior firearms. Jus sayin. Salute
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I only own one CZ pistol, but itís a nice one. Picked up a Shadow 2 last year and it is so sweet. An absolute tack driver and a pleasure to shoot!

Now I know what all the fuss is about...
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About this time last year, after never having held one, I ordered a P-01. When it arrived, I was very impressed and immediately installed TFX Pro sights.
Over the past year I have shot the heck out of it, and it has worked its way into being my daily carry. I really love this pistol, and yes it just "fits" the hand. The recoil is much tamer than my other 9mm pistols also, perhaps due to inverted slide and a lower bore axis. I shot my P99AS after the P-01 once, and (although I love my Walthers) the difference in muzzle flip was noticeable.


Recently I installed the CGW defensive package and the results are very impressive. While I had it apart, I also gave it a polish.
The two threads below made it much easier to do the work and install the package.

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Traded into a 75 compact. Nice pistol, a bit on the heavy side for me to pack all day, but I can shoot it. I don't like the long DA trigger reach, but the pull and let off is very nice for what I'm into it.
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