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Old January 11, 2019, 14:26   #1
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corps of engineers has 13.9 billion just sitting around

trump is making it harder for dems to resist:

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/artic...e-13524958.php

Trump has urged the Army Corps to determine how fast contracts could be signed and whether construction could begin within 45 days, according to one of the people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the preparations.

The list includes dozens of flood control projects in areas affected by recent natural disasters, including the Texas coastline inundated by Hurricane Harvey and parts of Puerto Rico battered by Hurricane Maria. The military construction budget is also being eyed as a potential source for unspent funds, with billions more potentially available there.

The preparations are taking place with talks at an impasse over Trump's demands for $5.7 billion to construct more than 200 miles of wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Democrats are staunchly opposed, leading to a partial government shutdown that on Saturday will become the longest ever in U.S. history.

Some 800,000 federal workers are about to miss their first paycheck since the shutdown began Dec. 22, and problems plaguing shuttered national parks, food inspection processes and other federal services are multiplying.

The Senate unanimously passed legislation Thursday that would guarantee back pay to furloughed federal workers once the shutdown ends, although thousands of government contractors who have been furloughed may never recoup their losses.

Trump, who walked out of a White House negotiating session on Wednesday after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., refused to agree to pay for his wall, reiterated Thursday that he may well declare a national emergency if Democrats don't give him what he wants.

"Now if we don't make a deal with Congress, most likely I will do that," Trump said to Fox News host Sean Hannity about an emergency declaration in an interview that aired Thursday night. "I would actually say I would. I can't imagine any reason why not because I'm allowed to do it. The law is 100 percent on my side."
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Old January 11, 2019, 20:32   #2
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well, there is a flood coming across the Rio Grande
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Old January 11, 2019, 20:48   #3
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Why include Puerto Rico ? It's on the wrong side of the wall
Oh , pelousy bait
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Old January 12, 2019, 08:50   #4
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They will need all that money to fix all the dams built in the last 100 years.
Hopefully before one of the fails catastrophically.....
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Old January 12, 2019, 10:26   #5
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They will need all that money to fix all the dams built in the last 100 years.
Hopefully before one of the fails catastrophically.....


the failures in most cases are very bad


Oroville Dam: 'Long-term systemic failure'
https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/ca...193151499.html
^^^^ could have been one of the worst ever


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Dam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstown_Flood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam


https://watershed.ucdavis.edu/shed/l...e/failures.htm
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Old January 12, 2019, 10:35   #6
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Oroville Dam: 'Long-term systemic failure'[/url]
We had a flood system designed by the CoE.

They basically re-routed the river away from the town.

In the process of that, when they completed it and dammed up and separated the old river so it would drain out, the old river didn't drain out.

Now, there is a couple of miles of mosquito laden swamp where the river used to be.

The locals call it lake mistake.

https://www.wymt.com/content/news/St...483155671.html

https://www.lrn.usace.army.mil/Media...ncy-loyall-ky/
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if you go and visit this dam failure site you get a somber gut feeling of the destruction

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Wow , Austin Dam
I used to fish that little creek right there
I look at that 8-10 foot wide creek and wonder how it could wipe out so many lives
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Some Ranchers do not want the wall.

Why?

It will run along no more than a 100 foot wide corridor along the border. It is a no mans land anyway, along the border, and there is no reason why a Rancher needs to cross into Mexico.

Eminent Domaine is the right of the Government to take land as needed for Fort, Bases and Naval Sea Ports.

It is a straw man reason, at best, eminent domaine being bad, in light of the invasion today.

The wall needs to be constructed immediately.
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We had a flood system designed by the CoE.

They basically re-routed the river away from the town.

In the process of that, when they completed it and dammed up and separated the old river so it would drain out, the old river didn't drain out.

Now, there is a couple of miles of mosquito laden swamp where the river used to be.

The locals call it lake mistake.

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Not sure the ACOE is the best choice.

They don't have a long record of sound structures.

But I have no problem redirecting their funds to hungry and competent private contractors.

Even if the money was sitting there waiting to be used, It will take an army of accountants to prevent the typical graft and corruption that goes into any federal project.
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Not sure the ACOE is the best choice.

They don't have a long record of sound structures.

But I have no problem redirecting their funds to hungry and competent private contractors.

Even if the money was sitting there waiting to be used, It will take an army of accountants to prevent the typical graft and corruption that goes into any federal project.

I do believe you hit on the single largest problem plaguing projects paid for with taxpayer dollars
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Old January 13, 2019, 21:44   #13
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Some Ranchers do not want the wall.

Why?

It will run along no more than a 100 foot wide corridor along the border. It is a no mans land anyway, along the border, and there is no reason why a Rancher needs to cross into Mexico.

Eminent Domaine is the right of the Government to take land as needed for Fort, Bases and Naval Sea Ports.

It is a straw man reason, at best, eminent domaine being bad, in light of the invasion today.

The wall needs to be constructed immediately.
more to it

Some areas it may have to be moved in over a 1000 yards due to the Rio Grande
That's giving up a lot of land

potentially places some folks on the wrong side of a proposed wall
denies Texans rights to the river itself
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