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Old January 05, 2019, 22:28   #1
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Location of barrel codes on FAL

Hi all!

I'm a newbie to the FAL and this group. A few years ago I bought a Canadian L1A1 Sporter and it's stamped CAI St Alb Vt. Trying to figure out a little more about the rifle, I've been pouring through the stuff on the forum here. I see that St Alb Vt indicates a couple of possibilities for barrel? or receiver? mfg from the sticky in this forum. I don't see a number on the barrel, maybe under the stock? The rifle has the black polymer stock, pistol grip and a welded on flash suppressor. I had some problems cycling, but seemed to solve them with adjusting the gas tube.

I like the rifle, but have read some pretty discouraging stuff from the guy at Arizona Response systems. He says he won't work on the receiver, and he does offer some receivers on his website for $800. Is that the way to go? Suggestions?

Guy at my local gunshop told me the FAL is capable of 1,000 yard accuracy, if you turn the gas off and use it as a manual ejection system. ?? I've got an offer of $1500 if I ever decide to sell it, but I've been draggin' it around for years and kind of hate to part with it.

Suggestions? Advice?

Thanks
Dale

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Old January 06, 2019, 00:04   #2
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Old January 06, 2019, 00:53   #3
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There was nothing Canadian in Century Sporters. The parts kits were either Britt or Aussie manufacture. So the barrels are Britt or Aussie. The Britt barrels are stamped with the manufacturer and year under the handguards. Aussie barrels have steel batch marks near the flats at the breech end. Century receivers came from Imbel in Brazil, Argentina, Hesse in the US, and more. They were simply assembled in Canada. The Imbel or Argentine receivers are as good as any. You can't trade up from the best.
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Old January 06, 2019, 14:16   #4
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There was nothing Canadian in Century Sporters. The parts kits were either Britt or Aussie manufacture. So the barrels are Britt or Aussie. The Britt barrels are stamped with the manufacturer and year under the handguards. Aussie barrels have steel batch marks near the flats at the breech end. Century receivers came from Imbel in Brazil, Argentina, Hesse in the US, and more. They were simply assembled in Canada. The Imbel or Argentine receivers are as good as any. You can't trade up from the best.
Ok, I got some numbers off the barrel. On the left side:
B CF (0 or D or?) 84 960 2006 vHC

On the right side:
FB 613

As I understand it, the left side number indicates VHC is a stress relieved Hammered Chamber, hammer forged barrel made with Firth Brown steel. But it could be the v is just a forge mark? It's not symmetic with the other letters as in v HC. If so, then I probably shouldn't use this barrel according to the sticky?

Thanks for your help
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Old January 06, 2019, 18:01   #5
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That's a good barrel, late in production and British, as you suspect from Firth Brown and made in 1984. Some here desire that barrel.

The St. Alb Vt is the importer info. If you can post a couple pics, we can tell you more about it. What are some of the markings on the upper receiver? I could be one of several receivers, some good, some maybe not so much, but hard to tell, at best, without more info on the receiver. What the serial is, where it's located and any prefix it has would also be helpful here.



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Old January 07, 2019, 12:07   #6
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That's a good barrel, late in production and British, as you suspect from Firth Brown and made in 1984. Some here desire that barrel.

The St. Alb Vt is the importer info. If you can post a couple pics, we can tell you more about it. What are some of the markings on the upper receiver? I could be one of several receivers, some good, some maybe not so much, but hard to tell, at best, without more info on the receiver. What the serial is, where it's located and any prefix it has would also be helpful here.



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I'm having a little trouble with the photos. I make a shareable link in google and it doesn't work. Anyhow, the serial on the right side of the receiver is 102902 and it says MADE IN CANADA underneath

The number on the bolt is 960-2302 (side of bolt w/folding handle)

The number underneath the bolt carrier visible through magazine opening is UB A 133435

The number on top of bolt carrier is 9602107 (appears to be D with a horizontal line through middle) GG

The serial number located behind the safety switch is UB 60 A77716

Any suggestions on how to post photos?

Thanks for your help and time!
Dale

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Old January 07, 2019, 20:36   #7
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B84 is BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) 1984. The parts from England often have more than one year of manufacture stamped on the same part. Barrels, bolts, and bold carriers have the most of these extra year of manufacture stampings. They may be the year the part went into a rifle or quality control inspection years. 960-2302 is a part number specifically, in this case the charging handle slide. The Brits are big on part numbers. 960 is the numeric designation L1 and L2 rifles, so other parts will have the 960 prefix.
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Old January 11, 2019, 10:17   #8
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Thanks everyone for giving me an idea of what's going on with this rifle. I appreciate your feedback.


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Old January 12, 2019, 17:06   #9
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Disagree that "960" is the numeric designation for L1 & L2 it is/was used as part of a lot of other item numbers not necessarily L1 or L2.


[QUOTE=kysjck;4680934 .................................................. .................................................. ....... 960 is the numeric designation L1 and L2 rifles, so other parts will have the 960 prefix.[/QUOTE]
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Old January 12, 2019, 23:07   #10
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I described the 960 as a prefix for all L1A1 parts. Do you have an example of parts for other weapons marked with the 960 prefix?
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Old January 13, 2019, 16:50   #11
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It seems that National Codification Bureau(NCB) chose the 960 block for the L1 & L2, though there is the example of Ball bearing(rear sight)3110-00-151-9133 (US).
Items within the 9mm SMG had 960 block prefix component part numbers, so the 960 prefix was not exclusive to L1 and L2.
1005-99-960-2259 Trigger, 9mm SMG
1005-99-960-2215 Case Magazine 9mm SMG
1005-99-960-6650 Sear, Pistol Browning No 2 Mk 1
You are probably aware the L1 had stock number 1005-66-100-2002 (Aust.) and 1005-99-960-0001(Normal Butt) Uk.



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