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Old April 30, 2018, 11:51   #1
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2018 boat progress

The weather is making a change from bitter cold and snow to wet and snow with occasional warm sunny days. These warm days, few as they are, have allowed me to get some work on the boat done.
Instead of reviving the original thread I will just continue with a new one.
Winter put a halt to my project of refurbishing the boat I bought last July but I did manage to get a few things done out in the heated shop.
The few warm days allowed me to seal the exposed transom wood with CPES, clear penitrating epoxy sealer. Before that I hosed the clean bare wood with Ethylene Glycol to kill any mold spores embedded in the wood, I cleaned and dried it well 24/7 for weeks with a shop vacuum to pull off vapor using a small ceramic heater then applied two coats of CPES. The sealer is water thin and the bare dry wood soaked up the first coat like a sponge. I will top it off with standard epoxy resin then epoxy bilge paint to finish it off.
Water got in from the rear deck draining down between the poured in flotation foam and the wood transom. The water had no where to go so it just sat there creating a perfect environment for mold and eventual dry rot. I mined out all the factory flotation foam in the rear section and will reinstall pour in flotation foam but this time I am making sure there is a drain path and an air gap.
I pulled the transom bolting and applied the CPES in those holes to ensure they were sealed. I will be installing new stainless steel bolts with nylock nuts and new silicone rubber washers. The original bolting was still sealed well but the original rubber washers were showing their age around the edges. New longer stern holdown U bolts will go in with 3/8 inch aluminum backing plates and 1/4 inch aluminum plates on the outside surface sealed with 3M 4200UV sealant. For anyone interested the 3M 4200Uv is terrific stuff way better than silicone. The longer reach of the U bolts allows the heavy duty backing plates giving a larger surface area. I will have no worry’s about towing skiers, tubers or whales. The transom is solid so no worry’s or need to replace it now. With the treatments it should last longer than me.
Details are real time killers as always. You think this or that will go quickly but it doesn’t. To make sure everything is as good as it can be takes time and longer than you initially may think.
Gunplumber turned me on to MarineTex last year for bedding rifles and it is the cats ass for repairs in general depending on what and where. I have four small holes to seal just above the bottom where a fish finder transducer was mounted and relocated that need to be resealed with stainless button head screws and MarineTex, I need to make sure not to forget these little guys. The screws they used were way too long and pointy right where the bilge pump hose ran, not a good senerio.
As it sits now I need good weather to apply the epoxy and paint to the transom and finish the flotation foam installation. Too cold is not good for chemical reactions to take place. As long as it is not raining I can still cut and fit parts so some progress can still be made. My main push is to get it sea worthy so I can go fishing. Details like fishing rod storage racks, down rigger mounting can wait.
I still need to pull the motor to reseal the mounting holes through the transom. I found that the trim and tilt shaft seal is leaking creating another detail to fix. I have all the parts I need but the weather needs to cooperate.
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Old April 30, 2018, 14:06   #2
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pictures please. wooden boats are a hobby for insane men. i have moved onto fiberglass and big motors, but still have an old wooden punt in the garage that i plan to deal with by calling the fire company for a practice burn. want a McCullough outboard?
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Old May 01, 2018, 09:33   #3
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Here is the original thread with pictures

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=417035

Here are some pictures of the transom after drying all winter. You can see in these the 2 inch construction foam in place before sealing the pieces in place with caned foam. The caned foam is to seal the holes so the pour in stuff does not seal of the water drain path behind.

I will take a few more of the CPES after it has been applied in a few days if it warms up. Turned out looking pretty good.

What size Mac outboard are you talking about?
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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Old May 01, 2018, 16:37   #4
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My boat progress sofar this year is $3800....not including gas...
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Old May 01, 2018, 19:08   #5
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Bust Out Another Thousand
Looking good SR
Mine is still shrink wrapped to try to keep in all the money i shoveled in it last year
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Old May 01, 2018, 21:53   #6
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Boats don’t run on gasoline they run on money.
But this has been a very fun project all in all.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Old May 01, 2018, 22:06   #7
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Enjoy sage. If you can afford it then go for it. I had a couple of small boats. Here in San Antonio the only lake decent sized is next to the power plant
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Old May 02, 2018, 10:54   #8
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Good stuff! Mine is still shrink wrapped but am already working on it. New exhaust risers and have rebuilt the raw water pump. Will be putting in the batteries this weekend and starting her up. Splashing first week in June.
Don’t listen to those boat naysayers! My boat costs me around $5K a year to own, operate, and maintain. Happy to ante up!
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Old May 02, 2018, 21:42   #9
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These are pictures of the wood transom surface after two coats of CPES and ready for another two coats of epoxy resin, thicker stuff. One of the pictures is of the one of two new tie down/tow ring mounting plates. The inside plate is 5x4x3/8 inches and the outside plate 2x4x1/4 inch. These will go in after the epoxy resin is applied and set.
I will pull the engine within the next few days depending on the weather, which looks good for a few days next week. The reason to pull the engine is to reseal the mount and bolt holes. It has been a long time since the engine was first mounted so it’s a good idea to reseal.
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Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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Old May 03, 2018, 20:01   #10
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My boat costs me around $5K a year to own, operate, and maintain.
Id be happy with that...
Thats probably about what my dockage and gas ran last year.

Though truth be told, I just about lived on it may to oct.
New job this year, so I'll probably be lucky to get a hand full of weekends.
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Old May 08, 2018, 23:50   #11
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Beautiful day today!

Had a really nice sunny beautiful day and I took full advantage of it to make progress on the boat.
I got two coats of epoxy resin put on today over the two coats of penitrating epoxy resin I put on the exposed transom wood surfaces last week. I still need to paint it but that has to wait for another good day like today which looks like maybe next week. Thunderstorms and rain in general is in the forecast for the remainder of the week throughout the weekend. Lots of detail work got accomplished today as well, too numerous to list but it all moved me forward in this seemingly never ending project.

I am ever so glad that I started this boat work last summer because I am not getting any younger and some of it is not exactly easy. All the climbing up and down, running around, searching for tools I just used five minutes ago is wearing this old man out big time. Lucky that I am still in decent shape for a 68 year old. Many guys after they retire get fat and sloppy but I am losing weight and far from sloppy. All the thought and research involved takes a lot out of you too so it’s not all physical effort.

If deferred gratification while working toward a goal is noteworthy I will just have to say I am deffering the hell out of sitting on my ass holding a fishing pole.

If anyone is thinking about doing something similar be sure to get up with me because I can save you a butt load of money so you don’t waste it with trial and error mistakes like I did. Some products in general are defiantly better than others for certain applications. Epoxy and polyester resins and glass cloth is a case in point. The stuff I am using is commercial grade materials and better than the stuff you get at Home Depot. Not any more expensive just better along with all the professional help and advice you need. I get all my fiberglass supply’s from an outfit called fiberglasssite.com.

That is all for today.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Old May 12, 2018, 19:07   #12
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Thinking of a Pontoon Boat

I’ve been half-assed searching for one. Used but not a basket case. 20’ to 24’ maybe a 50 horse on it to pull knee boards etc.... and lake fishing/camping for a night or two. My 11 year old son is bugging me. As long as the pontoons are in good shape I would think the rest is repairable/replaceable by someone that isn’t super mechanic but not a total loser. Any suggestions/advice?

Just read through your first thread.... Very Cool! Your
“Used Fishing Boat” is darn near brand NEW!

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No suggestions for a pontoon boat, sorry. I have no experience with them.

The weather is still kicking my ass with thunder storms coming through on a regular basis. I catch a good day here and there and take advantage every chance I get.
Talking with my expert source, Mike at fiberglasssite, he convinced me to strip off the two coats of epoxy resin I put down on the exposed transom surfaces and redo with 1708 glass cloth. The reason is the resin in time will crack from temperature changes nulifying the purpose of water proofing the transom exposed wood surfaces. Not bad really using a wire brush in a 90 degree die grinder and a sanding pad on the same die grinder. What I discovered while removing the resin is there was a layering between the two coats of resin. The reason for this is amine blush, a wax that comes to the surface as the resin sets up. This blush must be removed before a new layer of resin can be applied. I thought I could put a second coat down if I did it shortly after the first allowing it time to set up but that was not a good idea. The wax acts like a mold release and will not allow a good bond to the previous coat so it must be removed.
The resin I am using is from fiberglasssite and their epoxy resin is made so the blush can be removed with warm water, fairly easy. The problem is what if you don’t want to get any water near your work until your done. The reason for using epoxy resin instead of polyester is epoxy is better at water proofing which is the purpose on the transom.
Yesterday I got the left side done after deciding to do only one side at a time. Turns out that was s very good decision. Not a very large area but difficult to get to having to stand on my head to see what I was doing. Working time was about twenty minutes and getting the 1708 glass cloth to wet out and bubble free under the conditions took every minute of that working time. The cloth will also add some strength to the transom as well as keeping the resin from cracking over time. Next good day I will do the other side.
In between all of the prep I managed to get some other areas delt with too. Fitting parts takes a tremendous amount of time much more than you would expect. Keep in mind my idea of craftsmanship is good enough isn’t good enough.
Getting the right cover done is proving a pain in the ass because there are so many things that need to be done before I can fasten it down. Radio antenna mounted and wire routing, down rigger mounting plate, down rigger mounted to that plate and fitting the fuel fill cover. Everything is different due to the increase in deck wood thickness and upgraded carpet thickness. All it takes is time, thought and decent weather.
I will post more pictures as weather and progress allows. Not much I can show now but in the next few days as weather allows things I have been prepping will come together.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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A few pictures from today’s adventures. I had enough sun and warmth to glass the right side of the transom so I went for it. I thought I made it without getting any resin on my beard but not so lucky. There are no bubbles and the light just makes it look like there is. You can imagine how much fun it was getting in this area and doing it correctly with no bubbles.

Got ran off just as I finished up, cover back on the boat and all is well. The floatation foam was installed last week and covered in one coat of polyester resin. I will put another coat of polyester with glass cloth and call that done too. Next is cutting the construction foam to fit then reinstall the transom bolting. I might, just might install pour in foam but it will be not against the transom. There needs to be an air gap so if any water gets in these compartments, which it will, it can drain to the bilge.

A special note reguarding the blue or pink construction foam both polyester and epoxy resin melts it. So forget about putting fiberglass over construction foam. The pour in foam has no problem with either resin.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Whitey keeps me company while I work on the boat. If I let the dogs out of the yard they take off to God knows were chasing gophers. It is really banging outside right now.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.
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I cant tell much about your pic's,,,they seem too close to really make out what any are of,,at least to me.
Stick with 2 part expanding foam,,and not it the lightest density available..expensive but well worth it.
And most important,,dont forget the foam up high,,not just under the floor..Or it will try to flip if it ever gets swamped...
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Interesting thought on keeping the foam high up, never thought of that.
Sorry for the bad pictures but that is the best I can get in that tight space.
I will give more thought on filling the floatation pocket with pour in foam. The pocket I need to fill is the one to the right in the last picture in the series above, same on the other side. The space to the left is a storage compartment and again the same on the other side.
I have been using 4 pound pour in foam, U.S. Coastguard approved. 3 and 2 pound does not meet their requirements. The pound rating is per cubic foot so one cubic foot weighs 4 pounds. It also offers structural support, with the lighter weights not so much.
My main concern is drainage to the bilge from the aft deck. This area is not sealed so any water on the deck surface is draining to below this deck. This is what was causing the wet transom. Because this pocket was filled and right up against the wood transom water was trapped in this area soaking the transom. If I had not caught it it would have eventually rotted the transom out. I can make my stand off as planned with the construction foam and use the pour in to the front of it allowing an air gap between the stand off and the transom for drainage down into the bilge, more to think about.
The two storage compartments get aluminum plates pop revived down on the bottoms and I was going to use the 3M 4200 to seal under these plates before I install the pop rivets effectively sealing them up around the bottom. These two compartment have two drains each that go directly to the bilge which is good.
Lots to consider before I close it all up.
Thanks for the suggestion for the pour in foam, it is all about displacement and the more void I fill with foam the more displacement I will have. I really only want to have to do this once so it has to be done the best it can be.
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The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Matthew 25:1 thru 25:10 Be ready!

The written word sometimes like poetry is never really finished but merely abandoned.

I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

The wind blows, the rain falls, the flag snaps its bravery in the dark as two dogs boil for attention at my feet.

Of course it is a true story. You just couldn't make up something like that, no way.

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Fwiw,,,when I was building my old duck boat, I made a simple plywood mould for the flotation to go under the gunnels. I lined the mould with plastic sheet, poured foam and just sawed off the top flat with a hand saw after they set. For install, I just glassed the foam 'bunks' up in place on each side with some wide strips of heavy mat.
I guess you could use some good block foam and cut it to size instead....but I couldent find a convenient source.
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