The FAL Files  

Go Back   The FAL Files > Weapon Specific Forums > The SIG Files

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old July 29, 2018, 07:00   #1
John Crusher
Veteran Member
Gold Contributor
 
FALaholic #: 18663
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,707
Found a 510-4 !

Big GS fellow has a 510-4 that I'm going to try and get. Let you know.
__________________
Vigilance in Living Counteracts Stupidity in Dying.
John Crusher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 29, 2018, 07:26   #2
VALMET
Curio & Relic
Bronze Contributor
 
VALMET's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 1826
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 2,484
I’m assuming by 510-4 you’re meaning an AMT?
__________________
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940.

"Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns
VALMET is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 29, 2018, 18:18   #3
John Crusher
Veteran Member
Gold Contributor
 
FALaholic #: 18663
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,707
Yup, the SIG AMT 510-4.

Tried like the dickens to get it but was told that he's gotta' think on it. Offered fair price but, you know. He's got my # and I have his.
__________________
Vigilance in Living Counteracts Stupidity in Dying.
John Crusher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 29, 2018, 18:49   #4
VALMET
Curio & Relic
Bronze Contributor
 
VALMET's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 1826
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 2,484
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Crusher View Post
Yup, the SIG AMT 510-4.

Tried like the dickens to get it but was told that he's gotta' think on it. Offered fair price but, you know. He's got my # and I have his.
Best of luck- keep us posted
__________________
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940.

"Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns
VALMET is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 29, 2018, 20:47   #5
AGG
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 27127
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,705
Hope you get it--- post pics if you do!!!
PM to you.

Tony
AGG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 05, 2018, 15:24   #6
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Awsome! I recently acquired one myself! Beautiful rifles!

Last edited by gunguy45; August 05, 2018 at 15:25. Reason: Bad link
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 05, 2018, 15:38   #7
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 05, 2018, 22:42   #8
Scout10
Registered
Contributor
 
FALaholic #: 80494
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: 44.957329 @ 85.4844498
Posts: 296
dam . . .that a big PIX
is the rifle really that big ? ? ?

Talked to a guy today, beatin the web looking for a
PRE-BAN Sig SG 550 or 551 something.
says they have gone to $10 Gs +
CA ching ! !
Scout10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 08:42   #9
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Yeah it is. I just started using imigur and cant figure out how to size it. Cant say that's not a good pic though! Lol
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 09:23   #10
hueyville
Registered
Bronze Contributor
 
hueyville's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 74557
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Foothills of the Blueridge Mountains
Posts: 5,704
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunguy45 View Post
Yeah it is. I just started using imigur and cant figure out how to size it. Cant say that's not a good pic though! Lol
Use tinypic and select discussion forum size for pictures. Works like a charm and been using them for years. Very simple, no cost and have close to 2,000 pictures in my file and they never seem to place a limit.
__________________
A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3 G.W.T.
"If it is worth doing once...it's worth doing it a few more times to get it right." Stimpsonjcat
hueyville is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 11:22   #11
Scout10
Registered
Contributor
 
FALaholic #: 80494
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: 44.957329 @ 85.4844498
Posts: 296
And $$$

so what are these 510-4 s selling for ?
heard there was less than a couple hundred let in.
Scout10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 15:14   #12
Combloc
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 55596
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 733
Nah, there were probably between 2-3000 imported. If I were to sell mine, I would ask 7K.



__________________
I ain't too bright!
Forums are for furthering knowledge, not bragging about what you've got.
Combloc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 18:02   #13
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Combloc who imported your? Also what is next to it? Is that a chinese type 74? I'm sure is something swiss as the rear site looks similar to a pe57

Last edited by gunguy45; August 06, 2018 at 18:07. Reason: Misspelling
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 18:09   #14
Combloc
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 55596
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 733
Federal Ordnance:




That's an SMGGUNS made FG42 beside it. Actually the Swiss copied the Germans rear sight from the FG42 but, being Swiss, they made theirs MUCH more sophisticated just as they did when they copied HK's diopter sights. Here's a closeup of it:


And like the later PE57, it folds for storage:
__________________
I ain't too bright!
Forums are for furthering knowledge, not bragging about what you've got.

Last edited by Combloc; August 06, 2018 at 18:14.
Combloc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 19:49   #15
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Wow beautiful rifles! You dont see federal ordanance imports much. Mine is a benet arms import. I really love the AMT. I'm looking for a PE57. I got a stash to the side for when that time comes!! Also what FAL is that? Looks nice. I love the FAL. I have two 50.63s. Trying to trade one or sell one to get a G series.
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 20:21   #16
Combloc
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 55596
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 733
The FAL is nothing special. It's a matching Belgian made for the Austrians StG58 built on an early DSA Greyslake receiver numbered to match. Fortunately, it was built a number of years ago so it has the original barrel. You've got the real thing in a 50 series!
__________________
I ain't too bright!
Forums are for furthering knowledge, not bragging about what you've got.
Combloc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 20:45   #17
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 20:48   #18
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Dang it! I for some reason can't get these pics to normal size. I will figure it out. I just bought a NIB 50.63 with owners manual, gun south warranty card and 12 izzy mags. Absoulty love it. I've thought about keeping both and keeping the non boxed one as a shooter but would rather get something I dont have.
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 20:48   #19
Combloc
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 55596
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 733
MMM MMM GOOD!!!!

Minus the toes.
__________________
I ain't too bright!
Forums are for furthering knowledge, not bragging about what you've got.
Combloc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 20:59   #20
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Ok back to the AMTs. I just got one recently. I have done as much research as I could but not too much out there. Is there imports that are worth more than others or anything else that raises or lowers value? I know he scope and mount are crazy price but anything else?
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 21:04   #21
Combloc
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 55596
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 733
Ask and you shall receive:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...ht=roller+lock

There isn't really anything about monetary value but there is a lot of detailed information including info about a damn well made modern mount. Be prepared to be bored though as the author is a little long winded.
__________________
I ain't too bright!
Forums are for furthering knowledge, not bragging about what you've got.
Combloc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 06, 2018, 23:38   #22
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Wow! Outstanding information! After all the internet searching I never nlran across this fir some reason. Whoever did the artical is a stud!!
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 07, 2018, 11:34   #23
AGG
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 27127
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunguy45 View Post
Ok back to the AMTs. I just got one recently. I have done as much research as I could but not too much out there. Is there imports that are worth more than others or anything else that raises or lowers value? I know he scope and mount are crazy price but anything else?
There were 7 importers for the SIG AMT--- as far as importers, the only one of greater value would be the Katsenes Cie (6 imported in 1969) that were built around full auto receivers (similar to the FN FAL "G" Series)!!!
There are some with no importer markings and marked "SIG-AMT" or "SG510-4/AMT"--- the latter could be worth more because of the markings.
The Dr. Wohler 4x7 scope/mount will cost $7K-$9K, depending upon condition, and factory magazines are $200.00-$250.00.
Nice SIG AMT and FN 50.63.
AGG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 07, 2018, 16:03   #24
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
From my understanding there was some Katsenes Cie marked AMTs that were rewelds any truth to this? Mine is a Benet Arms import. I believe that would be late 60s early 70s. I got lucky to find this for the price I did and as you can see it's in mint condition. With mags going for that much I shouldn't of passed on the 10 rounder for 25 bucks the other day. Yikes!
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 07, 2018, 23:51   #25
hk22045
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 75293
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: las vegas nevada
Posts: 29
Misc parts?

Is there anyone who still sells any of the small misc parts. Took mine apart for cleaning and i cant find the the main push pin holding the trigger assy to the body. Still have a PE57 NIB but for some reason the pin will not fit in the AMT I have a 550 but it would take a kings ranson for me to sell it. Also have a NIB P210 up on Gunjoker but its expensive I wonder how many NIB p210 are there left in this country. Never even racked the slide. But my other 210's are all shooters No finer handgun made IMHO
hk22045 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 08, 2018, 19:30   #26
AGG
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 27127
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunguy45 View Post
From my understanding there was some Katsenes Cie marked AMTs that were rewelds any truth to this? Mine is a Benet Arms import. I believe that would be late 60s early 70s. I got lucky to find this for the price I did and as you can see it's in mint condition. With mags going for that much I shouldn't of passed on the 10 rounder for 25 bucks the other day. Yikes!
There was 1 verified sample of a Katsenes reweld on Gunbroker, and you are correct on the time frame for the Benet imports!!!

Tony

Last edited by AGG; August 14, 2018 at 10:16.
AGG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 08, 2018, 23:22   #27
Ghtomrk78
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80303
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Posts: 6
Great thread. I just got a 550-2. Now I want another.
Ghtomrk78 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 09, 2018, 07:59   #28
gunguy45
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 80545
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Jacksonville, fl
Posts: 65
Man I knew I should of bought that mag! Live and learn! I'm glad I got a Benet Arms. I wanted one for the older ones. Now just got to find a PE57 and G series FAL then I will be somewhat satisfied for a week or two
gunguy45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 14, 2018, 10:17   #29
AGG
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 27127
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunguy45 View Post
Man I knew I should of bought that mag! Live and learn! I'm glad I got a Benet Arms. I wanted one for the older ones. Now just got to find a PE57 and G series FAL then I will be somewhat satisfied for a week or two
The G-Series will be easier to find than the PE57!!!

Tony
AGG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 15, 2018, 04:49   #30
hk22045
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 75293
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: las vegas nevada
Posts: 29
550 nib

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout10 View Post
dam . . .that a big PIX
is the rifle really that big ? ? ?

Talked to a guy today, beatin the web looking for a
PRE-BAN Sig SG 550 or 551 something.
says they have gone to $10 Gs +
CA ching ! !

i WAS OFFERED $12k FOR A NIB 550 AND WASNT MOVED TO SELL AT THAT PRICE
hk22045 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 15, 2018, 04:52   #31
hk22045
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 75293
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: las vegas nevada
Posts: 29
i CANT FIND ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE RECEIVERS ON MY amt AND MY pe57 i THOUGHT THE SEMI VS FULL WAS A MISSING PART IN THE tRIGGER PACK ASSY iS THAT TRUE OR NOT
hk22045 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 20, 2018, 21:25   #32
0750turbo
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 68432
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Indiana
Posts: 480
Quote:
Originally Posted by hk22045 View Post
Is there anyone who still sells any of the small misc parts. Took mine apart for cleaning and i cant find the the main push pin holding the trigger assy to the body. Still have a PE57 NIB but for some reason the pin will not fit in the AMT I have a 550 but it would take a kings ranson for me to sell it. Also have a NIB P210 up on Gunjoker but its expensive I wonder how many NIB p210 are there left in this country. Never even racked the slide. But my other 210's are all shooters No finer handgun made IMHO
I know of at least one other NIB P210 along with matching number .22 conversion kit . And like you, my other 210s are shooters with my P210-5 being the favorite.

Good luck with your pin situation.
__________________
"Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each". Henry David Thoreau
0750turbo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 25, 2018, 20:58   #33
hk22045
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 75293
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: las vegas nevada
Posts: 29
Difference in receiver?

Tony what is the difference between the receivers in the PE57 and the Stg57 They look the same to me. Only difference i can find is in the trigger pack between the AMT and the PE57 (that part that the black/white tab would push down on to select rate of fire}
hk22045 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 26, 2018, 17:05   #34
AGG
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 27127
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by hk22045 View Post
Tony what is the difference between the receivers in the PE57 and the Stg57 They look the same to me. Only difference i can find is in the trigger pack between the AMT and the PE57 (that part that the black/white tab would push down on to select rate of fire}
Believe there are differences between the SA (PE57) and FA (Stgw 57) receivers--- I cannot recall the specifics, but the front/rear trunnions are similar!!!
All PE57's have the scope mount attachment points on the tops of the receivers, while only Stgw 57's (A555501-A595500 out of 840000 units) have them.
The only FA receivers imported (and grandfathered ~ FAL G-Series) were 6 SIG AMT's imported by Katsenes Corp. in 1969).
On the tab, the other side of the white is black--- I think there is also an inward protrusion when the tab is showing white that affects the fire capability.

Tony
AGG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 26, 2018, 17:36   #35
AGG
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 27127
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,705
Post #117:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thes...9898-s110.html

Tony
AGG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 01, 2018, 09:08   #36
hueyville
Registered
Bronze Contributor
 
hueyville's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 74557
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Foothills of the Blueridge Mountains
Posts: 5,704
Combloc, nice group of rifles looks like you need to standardize on some sort of MBR so can share magazines and parts. At least that's what people try to tell me that don't understand the mind set of a collector. I figure five or six of each is standardizing. Just added M1a #6 but it's 6.5 Creedmore rather than 7.62 NATO. My next will be in 6.5 Creed as well. Have six FAL's but two are 5.56, two are inch and two are metric with two more inch kits and another metric kit on the burner. Have two G3's and three CETME's plus six AR 10's in three cartridges and next pair will be in a fourth cartridge. Have caught flack that should choose one then lay them in deep and wide.

Like the variety and sure if world comes to an end will keep a few rifles running. Went from AR 15's in seven cartridges to three and couldn't stand it so now have them in five cartridges but much better cartridges for needs. My 20 Tacticals and 204 Rugers are gone and have TAC Six and 458 SOCOM in thier spot. Now up to over two dozen 5.56 and building units #15 and #16 in 6.8 spc II. Isn't variety and having different tools for different jobs nice? Have to say oddest items in the stable are the FAL's in 5.56. A poodle shooter cartridge in a MBR chassis rifle. Of course recoil isn't a problem with them. Like seeing someone else that has a few of everything, warms my heart.
__________________
A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3 G.W.T.
"If it is worth doing once...it's worth doing it a few more times to get it right." Stimpsonjcat
hueyville is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 22, 2018, 08:43   #37
mg34dan
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 29732
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Austin Texas
Posts: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by AGG View Post
There were 7 importers for the SIG AMT--- as far as importers, the only one of greater value would be the Katsenes Cie (6 imported in 1969) that were built around full auto receivers (similar to the FN FAL "G" Series)!!!
There are some with no importer markings and marked "SIG-AMT" or "SG510-4/AMT"--- the latter could be worth more because of the markings.
The Dr. Wohler 4x7 scope/mount will cost $7K-$9K, depending upon condition, and factory magazines are $200.00-$250.00.
Nice SIG AMT and FN 50.63.
Here is my Katsenes import SIG AMT. It was imported in '69. I got it in 2000 from a Western PA/OH FFL who was giving up his license. He had two (2) Katsenes AMTs. I know Tony has seen pictures of it before. The Estes Adams scope mount looks and performs perfectly.









For reference, here are some pics of a factory SIG AMT/510-4 scope mount with and without a Dr. Wholer 4X scope. No, this isn't mine. I found the pics on the inter-web.













__________________
“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.”
– Barack Hussein Obama, January 23, 2009

Last edited by mg34dan; September 22, 2018 at 10:48.
mg34dan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 22, 2018, 09:07   #38
mg34dan
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 29732
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Austin Texas
Posts: 60
It hasn't been mentioned, but the AMT is the softest shooting .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO shoulder fired weapon one can experience. The HK 91/G3 is a uncouth beast by comparison.

Here is a picture of Dolf Goldsmith firing my AMT a few weeks ago. You can clearly see the spent .308 shell casing in the air beneath the magazine. Our little shoot took place one week prior to Dolf's 90 birthday.



As an aside, Dolf also enjoys shooting an MP5.

__________________
“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.”
– Barack Hussein Obama, January 23, 2009
mg34dan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 23, 2018, 16:46   #39
AGG
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 27127
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by mg34dan View Post
It hasn't been mentioned, but the AMT is the softest shooting .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO shoulder fired weapon one can experience. The HK 91/G3 is a uncouth beast by comparison.

Here is a picture of Dolf Goldsmith firing my AMT a few weeks ago. You can clearly see the spent .308 shell casing in the air beneath the magazine. Our little shoot took place one week prior to Dolf's 90 birthday.



As an aside, Dolf also enjoys shooting an MP5.

Ahhh--- good times!!!

Tony
AGG is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 20:57.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©1998-2018 The FAL Files