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Old December 07, 2018, 10:43   #1
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Russian armour

Interesting piece. " a political culture willing to use force". Given their willingness to use cyber basicly in the open and how well our systems failed. This all becomes interesting. Recently under a TRADOC "near peer" program we have been asked to do work on "what if" Novichok urban deployment.
All I can say our arty and A-10s will be very busy.
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Old December 07, 2018, 11:18   #2
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Russia is too weak to take on Europe but NATO is heavily fractured and getting weaker so there is a mild possibility Russia can take on Europe. But, one must consider that Russia is getting weaker by the year, so it's a push.

Something you may not be familiar with is that the EU has been developing a joint military for the last 15 years. They EU planned for the dissolution/ineffectiveness of NATO and they're tired of the US influence of NATO

Anyway, long story made short. For Russia to take on Europe:
Russia has to stop getting weaker and start getting stronger
The US has to stop getting stronger and start getting weaker
NATO will continue to get weaker so that's not a concern
The EU army has to stop getting stronger
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Old December 07, 2018, 12:37   #3
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In this situation, how Russia will deal with the Ukraine and other former states. I think that the Ukraine and maybe the Baltic states are living on borrowed time. We know Poland wants nothing to do with the Russians. We in the office we have had interesting calls about the European energy situation and the Russian involvement. As part of that, was some discussion on a limited EMP/cyber strike on Europe to make sure Europe does not get involved in the east. I don't think Russia has any real interest in Western Europe.
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Old December 07, 2018, 16:31   #4
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Your last line is right.
Vlad doesn't want a war with Europe. All he wants is for Russia to be important. Vlad wants to have as much influence over European energy sector as he can get.

He was able to get ahead of the natural gas game by securing uranium contracts around the world.

Like I said, Russia is getting weaker by the year. His troops are barely above useless and Russian equipment will be easy targets for air assets

Ukraine is in a state of absolute corruption and should be easy pickings but Vlad can't even do what's easy.
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Old December 07, 2018, 22:08   #5
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Well,

Like all mechanized assaults, logistics would tell the tale. Just as Napoleon and the Wehrmacht found out. If you out run the beans, bullets, and fuel it dont matter how many tanks you have.

Id be willing to bet we still have 10 anti armor weapons for every threat tank. Surprisingly I'd be willing to bet the Poles end up being the toughest fighters if it came down to it in Europe.

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When I was in Germany (83-84) we had a lot of Russians and East Germans facing our lines, the Fulda gap was my stamping ground. we were told not to worry about the Polish troops, if push came to shove the poles would be too busy shooting every Russian in the back they could find, Warsaw pact be damned.
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Old December 09, 2018, 21:09   #7
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Ukraine is in a state of absolute corruption and should be easy pickings but Vlad can't even do what's easy.
The fact that Ukraine is doing join exercises with NATO and vowed to join it has no influence on Russia's actions, right?
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Your last line is right.
Vlad doesn't want a war with Europe. All he wants is for Russia to be important. Vlad wants to have as much influence over European energy sector as he can get.

He was able to get ahead of the natural gas game by securing uranium contracts around the world.

Like I said, Russia is getting weaker by the year. His troops are barely above useless and Russian equipment will be easy targets for air assets

Ukraine is in a state of absolute corruption and should be easy pickings but Vlad can't even do what's easy.
Upon what research or knowledge do you base your opinion of Russian troop readiness? Just for shits and giggles.
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Your last line is right.
Vlad doesn't want a war with Europe. All he wants is for Russia to be Healthy. Vlad wants Russian gas companies to have as much influence over European energy sector as he can get.

Fixed a couple of things for you.
So what?


He was able to get ahead of the natural gas game by securing uranium contracts around the world.

Again, so what? Sounds like business.

Like I said, Russia is getting weaker by the year. His troops are barely above useless and Russian equipment will be easy targets for air assets

Are you really confident in this assertion?

Ukraine is in a state of absolute corruption and should be easy pickings but Vlad can't even do what's easy.
What makes you think 'Vlad' wants Ukraine?
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There are many articles from many places that describe the usefulness of Russian troops. This has been well know for years

Vlad has stated many times that he considers Ukraine as 'Mother Russia'. This has been stated many times for years

Outside of the political interest of reuniting Ukraine, there's the economic and nation security angle. Ukraine is where almost all advanced aircraft parts are made. Most parts for Russian MIGs and helicopters are made in Ukraine

Ukraine is also know as the bread basket of Europe. This would give Vlad much more power as he could control the food as well as the energy going to Europe.



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Some corrupt official in Ukraine getting paid by the US take part in something NATO related means nothing.
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When I was in Germany (83-84) we had a lot of Russians and East Germans facing our lines, the Fulda gap was my stamping ground. we were told not to worry about the Polish troops, if push came to shove the poles would be too busy shooting every Russian in the back they could find, Warsaw pact be damned.
The Czechs and Hungarians were deemed similarly unreliable by the Soviets.
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Outside of the political interest of reuniting Ukraine, there's the economic and nation security angle. Ukraine is where almost all advanced aircraft parts are made. Most parts for Russian MIGs and helicopters are made in Ukraine
Thought Ukraine was a manufacturer of rocket parts also, although the Russians were somewhat distrustful of Ukraine as a source for really important things like Soyez. They felt OK to let them make bits for the Proton.

Perhaps the Russians prefer to blame the Ukraine plants when something goes wrong.
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Well,

Vlad wants the ethnic Russians to rise up and declare themselves Russia. East of the Dnieper River could end being part of Russia. The rest of Ukraine is full of ethnic Ukrainians that really want nothing to do with Russia. They seem willing to fight to stay apart of Russia. They got their ass kicked but are still willing fight.

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The Czechs and Hungarians were deemed similarly unreliable by the Soviets.
The Czechs, Slovaks, and Hungarians would definitely have a word or two to say if Vlad decided to roll the panzers westward.
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