Obama's Memorial Speech: prelude to ending assault rifles?

docspence1 · December 16, 2012, 22:02

I heard some of Obama's memorial speech tonight. It sounded a lot like a prelude to gun control and I don't think he's stopping at banning high capacity mags. He said, in regards to changes in the future if we can save one child it will be worth it. I hope he means making mental health care more available but I don't think that's what he meant? I considered everyone paranoid for taking part in the buying frenzy but I'm beginning to think differently.

We are definitely screwed in Colorado. Prior to the shooting there was a story about our Governor bringing up gun control in our Democratic controlled House and Senate. The shooting was icing on the cake for Colorado democrats. I don't think the Southern states will succumb to pressure but the rest of us will. Texas is looking like a lot nicer place to live.

SWOHFAL · December 16, 2012, 22:52

If he meant mental health care, he'd be wiping out a major democrat constituency....

Spktyr · December 17, 2012, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by docspence1

I heard some of Obama's memorial speech tonight. It sounded a lot like a prelude to gun control and I don't think he's stopping at banning high capacity mags. He said, in regards to changes in the future if we can save one child it will be worth it. I hope he means making mental health care more available but I don't think that's what he meant? I considered everyone paranoid for taking part in the buying frenzy but I'm beginning to think differently.

We are definitely screwed in Colorado. Prior to the shooting there was a story about our Governor bringing up gun control in our Democratic controlled House and Senate. The shooting was icing on the cake for Colorado democrats. I don't think the Southern states will succumb to pressure but the rest of us will. Texas is looking like a lot nicer place to live.

You're just now figuring this out? He doesn't have to stand for election again, the media is running with this like never before, and there's a strangely unified chorus of "we need more gun control, we need more gun control" from all quarters. Oh, and there's a lame duck House and Senate with more than a few members who won't be returning in January and thus have little to lose.

Remember, in his first term, he ran Fast And Furious as a program to generate an excuse to increase gun control. It backfired, but now he's got some new prime excuses all lined up.

Falws6 · December 17, 2012, 00:34

There are times in the past four years that i have thought the gun/ammo hoarding was getting excessive. However, when you look at what Obama had advocated for in the past as a senator from IL it isnt far fetched to expect sweeping anti-gun legislation. I have been fortunate enough to have a decent paying job and I make it a point to buy something gun related every month, an investment plan if you will. IMHO its not a matter of if but when semi auto's will be effectively banned. After all, they were once before (94-04)

**parallaxbill** · December 17, 2012, 04:28

This new anti-gun push will be the strongest yet riding on the emotions created by the horrific massacre last Friday, but what concerns me most is Obama's hint that he (the whitehouse) will do something even if no one likes it. Sounds unilateral to me. He's seems more like a dictator than ever before.

Retired Bum · December 17, 2012, 06:08

A popular saying in Africa is "One Man, One Vote, One Time". Too many newly elected 3rd and 4th world "presidents" decide that once they are in office they want to stay there and loot the treasury and kill off all opposition on general principles.

Obama has had two votes and knowing that he will never see another I believe that he would like nothing better than to adopt the above phrase in quotes. Just like a good Kommunist Dictator.....

And so it goes.

The Retired One

mountainman · December 17, 2012, 07:09

It's not just teh pres to blame but the morons that voted him in. We need to move to the state where the majority thinks like us and then secede via a petition that contains 80% or greater of that states citizens.

357ross · December 17, 2012, 08:30

'Never waste a crisis'. You can't have a socialist paradise, or a dictatorship, with armed peasants. If he can't get anything from congress, Obummer will just write another executive order. It's comming, and this is a made to order 'crisis'.

**parallaxbill** · December 17, 2012, 08:37

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Originally Posted by mountainman

It's not just teh pres to blame but the morons that voted him in. We need to move to the state where the majority thinks like us and then secede via a petition that contains 80% or greater of that states citizens.

Oklahoma is good, but the beaches are not very nice.

RT · December 17, 2012, 08:50

Ban Crazy people... the gun didn't shoot it's self.. think about that.~RT

RG Coburn · December 17, 2012, 09:40

So banning homosexuals will make aids go away..right?

**bykerhd** · December 17, 2012, 12:16

Obummer likes "Executive Orders" and regulations.
Legislation is ok, if it goes his way.
But, he has no issues with dictating a result via his own methods.

I would expect to see the Consumer Product Safety Commission and the BATFE unleashed by Obummer against the manufacturers, distributors, dealers and maybe individuals.
Bans against "Black" rifles and High Cap mags by regulation.
Impose new fees and taxes on all of us as both a money raising and punitive measure and maybe go after ammunition.

The NRA, individuals, etc. can appeal to the courts, Congress, etc., but once a lot of it is done, it will be difficult or maybe even impossible to un do.

Good luck getting anything back that is turned in.

Sound bleak ?
This might even be a "rosey" prediction.

RG Coburn · December 17, 2012, 13:05

A whole lot more people have died from lung cancer caused by cigarette smoking during his term in "office". Is he going to ban tobacco?
Why not?

dirtyrice · December 17, 2012, 16:08

All I know is I gave my credit card a workout after watching the speech. Picked up any mags I still needed and some ammo. Thank god for the receiver group buys on this site too. Time to contact the congress critters.

ByrnieMac · December 17, 2012, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

It's not just teh pres to blame but the morons that voted him in. We need to move to the state where the majority thinks like us and then secede via a petition that contains 80% or greater of that states citizens.

Let's do it. I'm in. What state we thinkin?

Spktyr · December 17, 2012, 21:11

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Originally Posted by ByrnieMac

Let's do it. I'm in. What state we thinkin?

Texas comes to mind...

dirtyrice · December 17, 2012, 21:26

eh if we do it in Texas we'd have a lot of Illegals to take care of once we secede lol. Damn I was about to order some mdarms drums for my saiga 12 but seems they have been mia for a few months. Damnitt.

ByrnieMac · December 17, 2012, 21:59

Montana? I've never been and it looks gorgeous.

EPC WN · December 17, 2012, 22:10

Boston T. Party suggests Wyoming. Everyone buys a trailer and moves every election to vote in Liberty minded candidates. After 6 years enough State House and Senate guys are like minded enough to get the job done. Highly recommend his book Molone Labe. A great idea in the free state project and Wyoming is lightly populated to make it possible.

Spktyr · December 17, 2012, 22:58

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Originally Posted by dirtyrice

eh if we do it in Texas we'd have a lot of Illegals to take care of once we secede lol. Damn I was about to order some mdarms drums for my saiga 12 but seems they have been mia for a few months. Damnitt.

And your problem with evicting the illegals in that scenario and giving them to the remainder of the US to care for since they love them so much is?

MDArms is kinda backordered - but oddly enough, the ProMag drums actually work. Which is the opposite of every other thing ProMag makes. I have a bunch of them for my Saiga.

ByrnieMac · December 17, 2012, 23:51

Evicting illegals wouldnt be a problem. Dispatching would-be smugglers and asylum-seekers could be our national sport, next to air guitar (of course)

Texas would be better because then we have ports and drydocks. A landlocked state 100% surrounded by the host nation we just succeeded from probably wouldnt bode well. Kinda like announcing you are leaving a house party, flick off everyone there, then closing ourselves in a closet. Texas has the game lands, agriculture, livestock, and ports to sustain.

Too bad it'll never be anything more than a few disgruntled gun nuts talking on a thread...

dirtyrice · December 18, 2012, 01:25

I think the freestaters do it pretty well. I know there a lot in NH but some in wyoming, kansas and other states. I've lived in montana and it is a great state. And I just ordered an mdarms 20rd mag from the saiga 12 forum. They have 10 left. $120 but I doubt i'll regret it later. But it is probably a good thing this is my first credit card so I don't have a very high limit

mountainman · December 18, 2012, 06:34

Texas hell yes. All we have to do is go there before it secedes.

**parallaxbill** · December 18, 2012, 06:43

Can we not agree to lead by example and refrain from using the term "assault" rifle as the ignorant media and unknowing do, unless we are actually referring to true assault rifles?
Thank you!

STGThndr · December 18, 2012, 07:42

Semi-Automatic sporting rifles. Call the sumbidges out when they use the "A" term.

NEWFNL1A1 · December 18, 2012, 08:07

Just heard on the radio that Dick's Sporting Goods is pulling military style semiautomatics nationwide and that some investors are divesting themselves of Bushmaster parent company stock. Trying to distance themselves from Bushmaster....

ByrnieMac · December 18, 2012, 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEWFNL1A1

Just heard on the radio that Dick's Sporting Goods is pulling military style semiautomatics nationwide and that some investors are divesting themselves of Bushmaster parent company stock. Trying to distance themselves from Bushmaster....

Damage control. It's expected... especially after an absolutely horrific shooting like this most recent one, but I wish some people weren't so ignorant. Did Bushmaster sponsor this kid to go in and shoot a bunch of children? No.

Look at it this way, how much worse would it have been if he went in and tore the place up with an M1A? Or worse, with a non-converted Saiga 12 with a drum full of slugs?

Neither of those weapons have the 'evil' pistil grip that anti-gun crazies flip out over... and both do A LOT more damage than a Bushmaster AR

C nova · December 18, 2012, 11:23

I am sure the anti gun crowd will strike while the iron is hot.
I am looking for them to try some sort of registration. They need to try to figure out who has what before
They can pass an all out ban on handguns and semi autos.

dirtyrice · December 18, 2012, 13:24

I'd never really seen many if any semiautos at docks to begin with. And their prices are usually way too high around here.

December 16, 2012, 22:02	#1
docspence1 Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 66430 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 190	Obama's Memorial Speech: prelude to ending assault rifles? I heard some of Obama's memorial speech tonight. It sounded a lot like a prelude to gun control and I don't think he's stopping at banning high capacity mags. He said, in regards to changes in the future if we can save one child it will be worth it. I hope he means making mental health care more available but I don't think that's what he meant? I considered everyone paranoid for taking part in the buying frenzy but I'm beginning to think differently. We are definitely screwed in Colorado. Prior to the shooting there was a story about our Governor bringing up gun control in our Democratic controlled House and Senate. The shooting was icing on the cake for Colorado democrats. I don't think the Southern states will succumb to pressure but the rest of us will. Texas is looking like a lot nicer place to live.

December 16, 2012, 22:52	#2
SWOHFAL Registered FALaholic #: 34346 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Obamunist-occupied America Posts: 8,366	If he meant mental health care, he'd be wiping out a major democrat constituency.... __________________ Man is tormented by no greater anxiety than to find someone quickly to whom he can hand over that great gift of freedom with which the ill-fated creature is born. - Fyodor Dostoevsky

December 17, 2012, 04:28	#5
parallaxbill Prototype machinist Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 26251 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 707	This new anti-gun push will be the strongest yet riding on the emotions created by the horrific massacre last Friday, but what concerns me most is Obama's hint that he (the whitehouse) will do something even if no one likes it. Sounds unilateral to me. He's seems more like a dictator than ever before. __________________ ParallaxBill

December 17, 2012, 08:50	#10
RT Signal Zero Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 9330 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 4,016	Ban Crazy people... the gun didn't shoot it's self.. think about that.~RT __________________ ~RT

December 17, 2012, 16:08	#14
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,772	All I know is I gave my credit card a workout after watching the speech. Picked up any mags I still needed and some ammo. Thank god for the receiver group buys on this site too. Time to contact the congress critters. __________________ “The people are the best guardians of their own rights and it is the duty of their executive to abstain from interfering in or thwarting the sacred exercise of the lawmaking functions of their government.” -William Henry Harrison “I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth will starve in the process.” -Benjamin Harrison Ron Paul 2008. Wtf happened people :( God Bless Texas!

December 17, 2012, 00:34	#4
Falws6 Registered FALaholic #: 63176 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 69	There are times in the past four years that i have thought the gun/ammo hoarding was getting excessive. However, when you look at what Obama had advocated for in the past as a senator from IL it isnt far fetched to expect sweeping anti-gun legislation. I have been fortunate enough to have a decent paying job and I make it a point to buy something gun related every month, an investment plan if you will. IMHO its not a matter of if but when semi auto's will be effectively banned. After all, they were once before (94-04)

December 17, 2012, 06:08	#6
Retired Bum Registered FALaholic #: 21904 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,183	A popular saying in Africa is "One Man, One Vote, One Time". Too many newly elected 3rd and 4th world "presidents" decide that once they are in office they want to stay there and loot the treasury and kill off all opposition on general principles. Obama has had two votes and knowing that he will never see another I believe that he would like nothing better than to adopt the above phrase in quotes. Just like a good Kommunist Dictator..... And so it goes. The Retired One

December 17, 2012, 07:09	#7
mountainman Registered FALaholic #: 14702 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Deltona FL Posts: 3,192	It's not just teh pres to blame but the morons that voted him in. We need to move to the state where the majority thinks like us and then secede via a petition that contains 80% or greater of that states citizens.

December 17, 2012, 08:30	#8
357ross Registered FALaholic #: 47543 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 1,626	'Never waste a crisis'. You can't have a socialist paradise, or a dictatorship, with armed peasants. If he can't get anything from congress, Obummer will just write another executive order. It's comming, and this is a made to order 'crisis'.

December 17, 2012, 09:40	#11
RG Coburn Registered FALaholic #: 27406 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,860	So banning homosexuals will make aids go away..right?

December 17, 2012, 12:16	#12
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	Obummer likes "Executive Orders" and regulations. Legislation is ok, if it goes his way. But, he has no issues with dictating a result via his own methods. I would expect to see the Consumer Product Safety Commission and the BATFE unleashed by Obummer against the manufacturers, distributors, dealers and maybe individuals. Bans against "Black" rifles and High Cap mags by regulation. Impose new fees and taxes on all of us as both a money raising and punitive measure and maybe go after ammunition. The NRA, individuals, etc. can appeal to the courts, Congress, etc., but once a lot of it is done, it will be difficult or maybe even impossible to un do. Good luck getting anything back that is turned in. Sound bleak ? This might even be a "rosey" prediction.

December 17, 2012, 13:05	#13
RG Coburn Registered FALaholic #: 27406 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,860	A whole lot more people have died from lung cancer caused by cigarette smoking during his term in "office". Is he going to ban tobacco? Why not?

December 17, 2012, 21:26	#17
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,772	eh if we do it in Texas we'd have a lot of Illegals to take care of once we secede lol. Damn I was about to order some mdarms drums for my saiga 12 but seems they have been mia for a few months. Damnitt. __________________ “The people are the best guardians of their own rights and it is the duty of their executive to abstain from interfering in or thwarting the sacred exercise of the lawmaking functions of their government.” -William Henry Harrison “I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth will starve in the process.” -Benjamin Harrison Ron Paul 2008. Wtf happened people :( God Bless Texas! Last edited by dirtyrice; December 17, 2012 at 21:34.

December 17, 2012, 21:59	#18
ByrnieMac Registered FALaholic #: 64363 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 297	Montana? I've never been and it looks gorgeous. __________________ grunt (n.) [gruhnt] - term of affection for that tired, filty, thirsty, hungry, footsore, ripped-trousered, camoflauge-painted, lean, mean son of a bitch who has kept the wolf away from the door for over two hundred years

December 17, 2012, 22:10	#19
EPC WN Registered FALaholic #: 65612 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: District 12 Posts: 2,820	Boston T. Party suggests Wyoming. Everyone buys a trailer and moves every election to vote in Liberty minded candidates. After 6 years enough State House and Senate guys are like minded enough to get the job done. Highly recommend his book Molone Labe. A great idea in the free state project and Wyoming is lightly populated to make it possible. __________________ 308Bolt/Gunplumber 2016

December 17, 2012, 23:51	#21
ByrnieMac Registered FALaholic #: 64363 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 297	Evicting illegals wouldnt be a problem. Dispatching would-be smugglers and asylum-seekers could be our national sport, next to air guitar (of course) Texas would be better because then we have ports and drydocks. A landlocked state 100% surrounded by the host nation we just succeeded from probably wouldnt bode well. Kinda like announcing you are leaving a house party, flick off everyone there, then closing ourselves in a closet. Texas has the game lands, agriculture, livestock, and ports to sustain. Too bad it'll never be anything more than a few disgruntled gun nuts talking on a thread... __________________ grunt (n.) [gruhnt] - term of affection for that tired, filty, thirsty, hungry, footsore, ripped-trousered, camoflauge-painted, lean, mean son of a bitch who has kept the wolf away from the door for over two hundred years

December 18, 2012, 01:25	#22
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,772	I think the freestaters do it pretty well. I know there a lot in NH but some in wyoming, kansas and other states. I've lived in montana and it is a great state. And I just ordered an mdarms 20rd mag from the saiga 12 forum. They have 10 left. $120 but I doubt i'll regret it later. But it is probably a good thing this is my first credit card so I don't have a very high limit __________________ “The people are the best guardians of their own rights and it is the duty of their executive to abstain from interfering in or thwarting the sacred exercise of the lawmaking functions of their government.” -William Henry Harrison “I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth will starve in the process.” -Benjamin Harrison Ron Paul 2008. Wtf happened people :( God Bless Texas! Last edited by dirtyrice; December 18, 2012 at 01:42.

December 18, 2012, 06:34	#23
mountainman Registered FALaholic #: 14702 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Deltona FL Posts: 3,192	Texas hell yes. All we have to do is go there before it secedes.

December 18, 2012, 06:43	#24
parallaxbill Prototype machinist Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 26251 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 707	Can we not agree to lead by example and refrain from using the term "assault" rifle as the ignorant media and unknowing do, unless we are actually referring to true assault rifles? Thank you! __________________ ParallaxBill

December 18, 2012, 07:42	#25
STGThndr Registered FALaholic #: 14583 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Southern Colorado mtns and desert Posts: 3,409	Semi-Automatic sporting rifles. Call the sumbidges out when they use the "A" term. __________________ Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B Yeats

December 18, 2012, 08:07	#26
NEWFNL1A1 Out standing in his field Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 43401 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tx Posts: 3,195	Just heard on the radio that Dick's Sporting Goods is pulling military style semiautomatics nationwide and that some investors are divesting themselves of Bushmaster parent company stock. Trying to distance themselves from Bushmaster.... __________________ Neo-Luddite - Traigo Mi Cuarenta y Cinco - Inch Guy I'm just a peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many hours on Call of Duty.

December 18, 2012, 11:23	#28
C nova Registered FALaholic #: 61228 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 261	I am sure the anti gun crowd will strike while the iron is hot. I am looking for them to try some sort of registration. They need to try to figure out who has what before They can pass an all out ban on handguns and semi autos.

December 18, 2012, 13:24	#29
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,772	I'd never really seen many if any semiautos at docks to begin with. And their prices are usually way too high around here. __________________ “The people are the best guardians of their own rights and it is the duty of their executive to abstain from interfering in or thwarting the sacred exercise of the lawmaking functions of their government.” -William Henry Harrison “I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth will starve in the process.” -Benjamin Harrison Ron Paul 2008. Wtf happened people :( God Bless Texas!

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