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Old December 28, 2017, 17:06   #1
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12th Annual Oregon FAL Shoot (June 22/23 2018)

Official Shoot thread for this summer's Shoot.


We used to talk about food and other "assignments". Now we mostly talk mild trash and ask who would be willing to 'run' (host, manage, whatever) which events.


I'm guessing that 4x401 will do the Drop 15, and Tuscan Raider will do a Handgun Event.


Other events we've done in the past are:

Otis Event = multiple targets out to 500 (or 600)

3 gun = mini three gun thing

Team Shoot = 8x13 plates at 200

RowJimmy Challenge = 3 clay pigeons at 50 yards (iirc)

Moses Match = plate run @ 200

Mil-surp Bolt Gun = plate run out to 300


My suggestion only is that we do the following:


Friday morning = Handgun (set in stone)

Friday noon = ?

Friday evening = RowJimmy Clays (normal schedule - but we skipped this last year...)


Saturday morning = Drop 15 (set in stone...)

Saturday noon = ?

Saturday afternoon = ?

Saturday evening = King Shot (set in stone)


Can we get some feedback on which of these ^ events we want to shoot?

And after we get that feedback, can we get some volunteers?
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12 years....

Almost feels like we should be squatting naked in a sweat lodge together...

That or making a group pilgrimage to the observatory on Pine Mt. Fri./Sat. night to bark our testosteral dominance to the galaxy!!
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12 years....

Almost feels like we should be squatting naked in a sweat lodge together...

That or making a group pilgrimage to the observatory on Pine Mt. Fri./Sat. night to bark our testosteral dominance to the galaxy!!
Dude... Now I have to leave CV at home?
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12 years....

Almost feels like we should be squatting naked in a sweat lodge together...

That or making a group pilgrimage to the observatory on Pine Mt. Fri./Sat. night to bark our testosteral dominance to the galaxy!!
Man, you have been drinking more than me.

I laughed so hard I woke the missus.
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Whatever....I'm betting at least one of you is celebrating legal MJ.

So Tuscan Raider...all is correct in the world again. The Rams and Vikings will be in the playoffs.

I need an essay on your feelings about this.

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I laughed so hard I woke the missus.
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I missed Terry's Garand shindig so I don't know what participation was like. If Terry wants to do another milsurp thing I will be his assistant. I haven't had my Garand out to play in a while, I think she needs a little of that sweet sweet love that only burnt gunpowder can provide.
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I am planning to do a multi target thing like the one I did a couple years ago. Although it might be a little different, not by much.

One thing I know I want to do different is do it a little earlier before the wind picks up. And possibly see better. Less glare. I couldn't see worth a dang last time. I do have a good spotting scope this time though.
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So Tuscan Raider...all is correct in the world again. The Rams and Vikings will be in the playoffs.

I need an essay on your feelings about this.
One thing I have learned in life which is a constant, like the
sun will rise in the east, is that the Vikings will let you down
every single time.

The words “deep in the playoffs” and “Super Bowl” are
never uttered by me.

I’ll say it will be Rams-Philly in the end of the NFC.
AFC. No cares as long as NE goes down.
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One thing I have learned in life which is a constant, like the
sun will rise in the east, is that the Vikings will let you down
every single time.

The words “deep in the playoffs” and “Super Bowl” are
never uttered by me.

I’ll say it will be Rams-Philly in the end of the NFC.
AFC. No cares as long as NE goes down.
We are in agreement in that NE must die. They must die, be purged, salt must be thrown upon their stadiium.


Actually that might be happening. BelliCHEAT, the owner, and the QB are all fighting.

I will savor their demise by making my coffee with their tears.
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I think Vikings will make it to NFC championship. Whether Rams are there I will not predict.
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Can we get some feedback on which of these ^ events we want to shoot?

And after we get that feedback, can we get some volunteers?
I don't see Terry's "one shot in 5 second" game listed. I like that one

...and I will help wherever I can

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Almost feels like we should be squatting naked in a sweat lodge together...
I thought I wanted to get out and meet the PNW crowd. Might be having second thoughts now tho????

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Dude... Now I have to leave CV at home?
I gotta meet CV if I can make it that weekend. Can I go meet her while you all go squat naked together in the sweat lodge?

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Man, you have been drinking more than me.
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Whatever....I'm betting at least one of you is celebrating legal MJ.
That's a bet you'd likely lose buddy.
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I don't see Terry's "one shot in 5 second" game listed. I like that one

...and I will help wherever I can



I thought I wanted to get out and meet the PNW crowd. Might be having second thoughts now tho????



I gotta meet CV if I can make it that weekend. Can I go meet her while you all go squat naked together in the sweat lodge?



Probably too true bro



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I am planning to do a multi target thing like the one I did a couple years ago. Although it might be a little different, not by much.

One thing I know I want to do different is do it a little earlier before the wind picks up. And possibly see better. Less glare. I couldn't see worth a dang last time. I do have a good spotting scope this time though.
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I am planning to do a multi target thing like the one I did a couple years ago. Although it might be a little different, not by much.

One thing I know I want to do different is do it a little earlier before the wind picks up. And possibly see better. Less glare. I couldn't see worth a dang last time. I do have a good spotting scope this time though.
Before the wind picks up.

You pretty funny.
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Before the wind picks up.

You pretty funny.
Maybe his new spotting scope is night vision?

I expect to be running a round of Ironsman quals. Pistol, rifle, .22, shotgun and airrifle will be staged. Now the trick is getting Terry to do the rifle clinic on Friday, so we can put it to work on Saturday!
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Before the wind picks up.

You pretty funny.
Yes I know, I know...

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12 years....

Almost feels like we should be squatting naked in a sweat lodge together...

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This is what would happen if the event was held in California with Jerry Brown presiding.

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I have no clue what I’m doing, but would happily put that ignorance to work running a milsurp bolt gun match.
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Mil-surp Bolt Gun has four votes in the poll. If that's enough for you to do the work, The (ahem!) Committee doesn't care if you rock it.

BUT... if we have a "schedule" (ha!) for the more highly-voted-for events (Moses, Otis, RowJimmy, and the Rifleman's Challenge/Three Gun), you are going to have to run it concurrently rather than get your own "slot". This is also fine, and I think we've done this in the past. We just have to coordinate the two 'competing' rifle ranges (West & NE), and make sure that the proper steel is in the proper locations.

That's on the suckers hosts for the various events. Meaning (in this case...) you.
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I am planning to do a multi target thing like the one I did a couple years ago. Although it might be a little different, not by much.

One thing I know I want to do different is do it a little earlier before the wind picks up. And possibly see better. Less glare. I couldn't see worth a dang last time. I do have a good spotting scope this time though.
Hey, Otis -

Saturday Morning is 4x401's slot for the Drop 15. He usually starts it at 8:30 or so. Friday morning is Tuscan's Handgun event, and we do that in that slot by tradition, and because we were starting the rifle stuff a bit later for guys who were not showing up Thursday evening or early Friday morning.

So my question is this: do you want to do it Saturday at 11:00AM/11:30AM - right after the Drop 15? It will be a better time than the afternoon when the wind is going a little bit more. We can shoot your thing in the late morning/noon-ish time, and then do the Moses Match (only 200 yards) in the windier conditions @ 2:00PM or so.

LMK. Thanks for doing it.
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Reposting the 'Proposed Schedule' with changes / possible events...

Friday morning / 0900 hrs. = Handgun (brought to you by...) Tuscan Raider

Friday 1100 hrs = Rifleman's Challenge / Three Gun by tdb59, snowhawk jockey, brunop

Friday 1600 hrs = RowJimmy Clays by Do We Have A Volunteer?

Dinner = Bring Your Own

Friday evening = Camp Fire

Saturday morning / 0900 hrs = Drop 15 by none other than 4x401

Saturday 1130 hrs = Otis61 Long Range Event by (you guessed it...) Otis61

Saturday 1400 hrs = Moses Match by Do We Have A Volunteer?

Dinner = Bring Your Own

Saturday evening = King Shot by Everyone


We may also have a Mil-Surp Bolt Gun Run by Mountain Bear, or it may be that the Mil-Surp Bolt Gun guys decide to run the Otis61 Long Range Event with their karate rifels. If they are happening separately, I suggest that they happen in the same time slot (Saturday @ 1130 hrs) on the two separate ranges.
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I'll do the Rowjimmy again. I recruited a couple of helpers in the shop this afternoon (get a few beers in 'em and they will agree to anything".
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However, I'm not too sure about that ironsman qualified dude. Did you know he really isn't a gun guy? Seems suspiciously like an dhs/cia infiltrator. In the age of snowflakes, never trust a man in a 5 panel hat
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Hey, Otis -

Saturday Morning is 4x401's slot for the Drop 15. He usually starts it at 8:30 or so. Friday morning is Tuscan's Handgun event, and we do that in that slot by tradition, and because we were starting the rifle stuff a bit later for guys who were not showing up Thursday evening or early Friday morning.

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LMK. Thanks for doing it.
Yes this will work. Thank you.
And you're welcome. Happy to do it.

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Perhaps we should allow Diogenes and his lamp to ferret out that poser?
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Brilliant, Dave. Thanks a bunch!


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Yes this will work. Thank you.
And you're welcome. Happy to do it.

This is our thing!!!
Super great, Otis. Thanks a bunch, man. I'm stoked for this event.

And just for clarity, this event allows scopes and other optics as well as irons, right?
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I will do whatever the group wants. I will likely run my bolt gun (karate rifle?) on most the events I play with. I am flexible.
That is "karate rifel" here on the Files. But you can call it a "bolt gun" if you want...


Let's figure out what you'd want to do as an event. If it is meaningfully different than Otis61's event, then let's get it set up. If it is comparable, and doing the Otis61 Long Distance thing with karate rifels is good, then we're covered already.
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Old January 14, 2018, 01:19   #33
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Honesty, I just want to be helpful. I have no idea what the do for an event. I am happy to help Otis if that is what works best. I’m just there to enjoy the weekend!
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Since its likely I'll still be sitting on the line, I'll plan to regulate the moses thing.

Hell, here's a random thought...

Since both stages can be set-up together, I think they could run concurrently. Even if we have an errant shot from the Drop targets to Moses (Try to stay on target friends ), it's still likely we can save time in target resetting and competitor flow.

I think it's worth trying, whats the rest of you think?
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Since its likely I'll still be sitting on the line, I'll plan to regulate the moses thing.

Hell, here's a random thought...

Since both stages can be set-up together, I think they could run concurrently. Even if we have an errant shot from the Drop targets to Moses (Try to stay on target friends ), it's still likely we can save time in target resetting and competitor flow.

I think it's worth trying, whats the rest of you think?
Pretty sure I've been saying this for years.
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Well there ya go!
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We did pretty well at Dave's last fall with the team shoot using 2 stations. Made it go a lot faster.
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And just for clarity, this event allows scopes and other optics as well as irons, right?
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Since both stages can be set-up together, I think they could run concurrently. Even if we have an errant shot from the Drop targets to Moses (Try to stay on target friends ), it's still likely we can save time in target resetting and competitor flow.

I think it's worth trying, whats the rest of you think?

I just got off the phone with 4x401, and I want to put a couple of things down for the group to consider:

1. I don't like the "concurrent" thing, because we don't get to hang out and watch the rest of the gang shoot. "Concurrent" is how "real" competitions do it, because they're trying to move lots of participants through and get everyone a scored posted to the board. We are not that, and we've had (in the past) a very good 'feel' which is most easily seen at Brush511's place because there is one range / one location, and everyone is there to hang out, cheer, or give some stick to the various competitors

2. It's gonna make Rich's station take a few hours instead of 1.5 hours or so. I think we'll lose momentum rather than gain it

3. Otis61's Long Range thing should be shot at the west range along the road - with the big berm out at 1300 (or wherever it is...). And Otis wants the long-range shoot to get going in the late morning slot - before the wind picks up in the afternoon. I want this, too. So does Tuscan Raider, who is shooting 5.56x45 at 700 or so...


So we have to decide a couple of things:

1) do we want to 'streamline' the shooting or the hanging out?

2) do we want to "stay" at Rich's location (North Range) Saturday until we're done, and then move to Otis61's location (West Range) - which will make the long-range event happen in the afternoon cross-wind, or are we okay being at Rich's range, then moving to Otis' event, and then back to Rich's range?



None of this is any one person's decision; maybe each person should just say that they want to "streamline" the shooting thing or the hanging out thing, and then the (ahem!) Committee will figure out what that means?
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Looks like I’m going to help Otis with his match. That way there isn’t a concurrent match going on with the karate rifels. I agree with Brunop. Nice when we aren’t trying to rush around to different shoots.
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I think it might work the best that way, and we don't have to set up another range. I'm pretty keen to see what the iron sights can do at the longer distances.

I may shoot Otis61's match with an iron-sighted FAL. Gotta use that rear-sight ramp for something!
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I think it might work the best that way, and we don't have to set up another range. I'm pretty keen to see what the iron sights can do at the longer distances.

I may shoot Otis61's match with an iron-sighted FAL. Gotta use that rear-sight ramp for something!
You must have forgot about my new Acog’ed stick.
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So come out and show us...probably be in the high 40's. Puss.
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Isn't that ACOG on an AR-15 in 5.56? Because I'm talking wind - not optics.

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He got one of those AR things in .308.
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He got one of those AR things in .308.
And it's all barrel. The upper without scope is 8lbs.
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