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Old July 10, 2019, 21:46   #1
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Dems + GOP vote for more Indian greencard workers

Kevin McCarthy, 140 GOP Reps Vote for Democrat Plan to Outsource Jobs:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ian-graduates/


The vote was 365 to 65 in favor of the Democrats bill. To further cut the throats of American workers and destroy our nation.

Even the normally conservative rep from my district here in GA voted for this crap. I guess there's no voting our way out of the destruction of America.
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Old July 10, 2019, 23:33   #2
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Business needs educated/willing-to-work-hard people and the Left needs more voters.

The Left wins every time.

Why?

I'm sure 'some' of you 'get it', as to why we cannot win this fight . . .

Solution?

Enjoy your life as long as you can - things change and you have no hope of reversing the situation outside of your own mind.

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Old July 11, 2019, 13:09   #3
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most indian graduates are frauds, and have fake degrees. the US embassy has a list of over 9,000 fraudulent universities that have been detected in indian visa applications.

indians work for 35% of the cost of an American technician, and cannot leave their host company, so are effectively slaves. no wonder they are sought after by employers.
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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Folks promise you'll get a good job if you pursue a useful degree in STEM subjects, yet we're denying spots to Americans and driving down wages with foreigners in the sciences, medicine and engineering, the majority of whom, based on demographic trends, will vote Democrat, when and if they're naturalized.
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Old July 11, 2019, 13:34   #5
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This (justashooter's post) is stupid, and has nothing to do with the H-1B visa question.

Green card holders aren't temporary foreign workers, so the thing about "not leaving their host company" is silly. And giving jobs here (in America) to people who are naturalizing is NOT "outsourcing" jobs. Words have meanings, and if you mix words' meanings up to make your argument, you are engaging in Communist agit-prop techniques.


H-1B visa holders are high-education people with skills - the kind of people we were saying are "good" immigrants. Indians pay taxes in the U.S. They marry one woman and stay married. They raise kids who stay true to their religion and their families. They don't steal, join gangs, or commit violent crime. They like this county, and the Indians I know (several) refer to themselves as Americans and when talking about America use the word "we" - as in "... we Americans".

The fact that they work harder and longer hours than entitled millennial suburbanites because they come from a competitive place (1.1BBB people will do that to you....) is *not* something that we should hate.

I employ several of them. They work hard, turn in excellent work, take criticism openly, and don't bitch. Know what else? They don't call in sick when there's a deadline. Ever. I employ other people of other backgrounds, too, but the Indians work harder than anyone else. Measurably.


I'm trying to raise my kids to complete like these people do. I'll never forget teaching sunday school some years ago. I live in semi-affluent suburbia in a college town in the PNW. White kids abound which is great, as I'm white and I'm making white kids of my own. As part of the lesson, I asked each kid to tell the class about the best day in their life so far (14 year olds...). The answers were about video games, sleeping in, doing "nothing", blah-blah-blah.

Then the foreign exchange student from Korea is taking his turn. He tells the class about wanting to get into a superior high school in Korea that can only take people who have passed a certain battery of tests at a certain level. He says that at 12 years old he worked little jobs to earn money to prove to his parents that he wanted to TAKE A CLASS to study for the tests - for TWO YEARS. His parents agreed, and he says (his words) he "dedicated himself" to making the marks to pass the tests and enter the school, and studied for at least two hours per day after school and homework for two years.

His best day? The day he received notification that he had been accepted to the high school of his choice. I looked around at the American kids and told them that they were going to end up working for people like this kid. Blank stares all around.

Today he's back in Korea doing compulsory military service. When he's done, he's got a ticket to the Kennedy School of Business at Harvard. Oh, and he wants to move here (the United States) and be a Korean American.

I guess we don't want these guys, right? Don't make me laugh.

I want a wall. I want borders. I want to turn OFF the freebies and benefits to illegals. I want to deport 10MM illegals - or at very least give them a tax-paying path and to stop the flow.

But I want legal immigration of the right kinds of people. Someone has to work and pay taxes so all of you guys with military pensions can actually get paid. And so that Medicare doesn't go broke. And so Social Security keeps sending checks to the people who are counting on them.
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Old July 11, 2019, 13:40   #6
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Very disappointed to learn that my newly-elected rep supports this Democrat bill. Sent him an email about it yesterday once I found out. Didn't take long for him to turn to the swamp.
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Old July 11, 2019, 13:43   #7
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All these jobs could be filled but the companies don't want to pay Americans to do them.

As nice as these Indian fellows are, they don't share the fundamental American culture and ideals most of us grew up with or upon which the nation was founded.

We keep doing this, America just becomes the name for another stupid socialist leftist nation.

The solution to fat and lazy millennials is not to import more workers.
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Old July 11, 2019, 21:55   #8
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I think we have enough people here already. Too many,in fact. Too many here now getting fed who really do nothing to earn it. The world plays this country as the world's biggest schmuck. It gets old.
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Old July 12, 2019, 11:27   #9
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This (justashooter's post) is stupid, and has nothing to do with the H-1B visa question.

Green card holders aren't temporary foreign workers, so the thing about "not leaving their host company" is silly.


H-1B visa holders are high-education people with skills -
so you know a few good ones? that is called "anecdotal evidence", and is irrelevant. i have worked in india and know the root culture, as well as with indians in USA, and know a few things about how immigration law works. there is a pipeline, and if pressure is reduced in a choke-point the flow upstream increases, so my comment is related to the article.

you are in the minority, friend. most of us have seen the elephant.

as for india, in general, ask me about the chikungunya visus i got while i was in bangalore,and the monkey that tried to bite me in a machine shop, and the nigali on the runway that blocked my flight out of dehli. ask me about the pakistani slave women that i saw doing sand work in the pits of a heavy foundry shop in the punjab.

abuse of women in the forms of slavery, rape and pedophilia, and pedastery of male children is rampant in the muslim dominated parts of india, and the hindis think it is "just good business" and buy their rejected women who "cannot produce male children" and work them to death in menial labor. fraud in business is the norm. do we rally want that kind of "cultural enrichment" here?
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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Indian Physicians and Pakistani Physicians are where some of the H1B Visas will go.

Middle Eastern Physicians too. There is such a shortage for physicians that it is a crisis. Our local ER has guys coming from Conn and Pa to work 4 day shifts.

We just have to limit the chain migration for these new guys to their wives and kids.
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Old July 12, 2019, 21:51   #11
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Indian Physicians and Pakistani Physicians are where some of the H1B Visas will go.

Middle Eastern Physicians too. There is such a shortage for physicians that it is a crisis. Our local ER has guys coming from Conn and Pa to work 4 day shifts.

We just have to limit the chain migration for these new guys to their wives and kids.
No, it'll be their 12 cousins and 8 uncles and 15 2nd cousins.

If we have a shortage of physicians, it's the government's fault to begin with. Fixing the problem THEY created by creating more problems isn't the solution.

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Indian Physicians and Pakistani Physicians are where some of the H1B Visas will go.

Middle Eastern Physicians too. There is such a shortage for physicians that it is a crisis. Our local ER has guys coming from Conn and Pa to work 4 day shifts.

We just have to limit the chain migration for these new guys to their wives and kids.
Well,this is a result of universities admittance policies giving preference to minorities,instead of focusing on test scores. Add to that,insanely high tuition rates.
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I haven't seen very many good ones, and I work in IT. The myth that they are smart or motivated is just that, a good myth. Lying, cheating and stealing is part of their culture. Most see nothing wrong with it. Quite the contrary, they see it as incidental to their very existence and perhaps they are right about that. Technically they are one or two questions deep on any topic, which sadly puts them one question ahead of what passes for leadership in too many businesses today. They can't troubleshoot for crap and if you try to follow a conversation with them you will discover that they think in terms of components, not systematically.

What they are is subservient to their betters. Indians have bred themselves for thousands, probably tens of thousands of years using a caste system and consequently are really good at telling people what they want to hear. And other folks, particularly in the US, really like that.

There is a reason India is the way it is. This needs to be remembered.
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I haven't seen very many good ones, and I work in IT. The myth that they are smart or motivated is just that, a good myth. Lying, cheating and stealing is part of their culture. Most see nothing wrong with it. Quite the contrary, they see it as incidental to their very existence and perhaps they are right about that. Technically they are one or two questions deep on any topic, which sadly puts them one question ahead of what passes for leadership in too many businesses today. They can't troubleshoot for crap and if you try to follow a conversation with them you will discover that they think in terms of components, not systematically.

What they are is subservient to their betters. Indians have bred themselves for thousands, probably tens of thousands of years using a caste system and consequently are really good at telling people what they want to hear. And other folks, particularly in the US, really like that.

There is a reason India is the way it is. This needs to be remembered.
This has been my experience as well. I routinely call tech support at various fire alarm panel manufacturers and commonly get "the indian guy" who I cannot understand,and when I can,their info is useless. Some,indeed,can and are intelligent,but it is far from the norm.Like 1 in a hundred,or less.
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I kinda like Indians. They're usually nice people. If I walk by a group of Indians I don't feel like I'm about to get jacked up.
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I kinda like Indians. They're usually nice people. If I walk by a group of Indians I don't feel like I'm about to get jacked up.
They ARE nice. Very solicitous. As I said they've genetically engineered the lower and middle castes to be that way. Dumber than a box of rocks, dishonest shit-where-they-eat third worlders. But nice.
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I consequently are really good at telling people what they want to hear. And other folks, particularly in the US, really like that.

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Yep, nailed it. They are also masters of deflection and redirection. It's instinctual for them.

I have worked with lots of Indian folk for many years. I have nothing against them personally - they're just taking advantage of the situation our traitorous leaders have created.


But as others have said when you keep importing people who don't share your values and culture, soon your value and cultures get destroyed.

Heck, just ask the Indians about the muslims.
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Indian Physicians and Pakistani Physicians are where some of the H1B Visas will go.

Middle Eastern Physicians too. There is such a shortage for physicians that it is a crisis. Our local ER has guys coming from Conn and Pa to work 4 day shifts.

We just have to limit the chain migration for these new guys to their wives and kids.
few "doctors" from foreign countries can just move to USA and practice. most have to finish a residency in an American medical system before they can begin to practice. that is why you see lots of indian dentists who used to be doctors in india.

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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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They ARE nice. Very solicitous. As I said they've genetically engineered the lower and middle castes to be that way. Dumber than a box of rocks, dishonest shit-where-they-eat third worlders. But nice.
yeah, having this discussion in a different thread bubs

Some cultures have been bred generationally to be enslaved
real common in Asia and Africa
less so among Caucasians

In India Eugenics has gone on for thousands of years
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Yep, nailed it. They are also masters of deflection and redirection. It's instinctual for them.

I have worked with lots of Indian folk for many years. I have nothing against them personally - they're just taking advantage of the situation our traitorous leaders have created.


But as others have said when you keep importing people who don't share your values and culture, soon your value and cultures get destroyed.

Heck, just ask the Indians about the muslims.
Well you are messed up

You have Indians
some are Hindu, others Sikh or Islamic even Chistian or Buhhdist.
they are all still genectically Indian
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Well you are messed up

You have Indians
some are Hindu, others Sikh or Islamic even Chistian or Buhhdist.
they are all still genetically Indian and engineered to please their masters and not think for themselves.
Fixed it for ya.
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I haven't seen very many good ones, and I work in IT. The myth that they are smart or motivated is just that, a good myth. Lying, cheating and stealing is part of their culture. Most see nothing wrong with it. Quite the contrary, they see it as incidental to their very existence and perhaps they are right about that. Technically they are one or two questions deep on any topic, which sadly puts them one question ahead of what passes for leadership in too many businesses today. They can't troubleshoot for crap and if you try to follow a conversation with them you will discover that they think in terms of components, not systematically.
That reminds me of their usual threads:

1. (with email address on the lines of "computerguru@gmail.com"): "I need to deploy a mail server supporting 200K people with perfect virus and spam filtering. I bought this computer off Salivation Army to be the server. Can anyone give me a button I can press and it all be deployed today since I only know how to install Windows XP?"

2. (similar email address): "Something here is broken. This is all the information I will provide. Can anyone give exact instructions in the form or an EZ-button to fix it?"

My theory is they roam on e-lancer saying they can do anything for $100 and then post on the threads once they get a bite.

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What they are is subservient to their betters. Indians have bred themselves for thousands, probably tens of thousands of years using a caste system and consequently are really good at telling people what they want to hear. And other folks, particularly in the US, really like that.
Europe still has a caste system too ingrained in their minds. How many people you see that would not get a job above their parent's stance? Same reason why so many expect the gov to take care of them: Nobles rule, Knights Fight, Priests Pray (or Prey ) ), and serfs work.
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Well you are messed up

You have Indians
some are Hindu, others Sikh or Islamic even Chistian or Buhhdist.
they are all still genectically Indian
No mistake

Hindu, Sikh, Chistian, Buhhdist = Indians
muslims = muslims
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