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View Poll Results: How many polymer US made FAL mags would you buy?
I would buy one 31 4.44%
I would buy two 122 17.48%
I would buy five 300 42.98%
I would buy ten 245 35.10%
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Old March 30, 2010, 17:40   #1
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How many want a US made FAL mag? (Pics & videos added)



ORDERS are now being taken on the website @ www.mosesmag.com



Today is June 8th 2013, production run should be happening this coming week!!!!

More details later this weekend!!!
Coloradans please email me @ gjohnnygun@yahoo.com to order!
I will be giving our Colorado brothers a few days to order before I open it up to everyone since they are facing a deadline on buying regular capacity mags.


Just got back from the molders around midnite tonite and picked up the revised mags and all the revisions I had made came out great!!!! Even better than I ever expected!!!

From initial tests the mags are functioning flawlessly by hand cycling!!!!!!!! To say I am extremely happy would be a gross understatement!!!!!!!!!



VIDEO'S of test firing the magazine are on page 12, 13, 15 and 16

PICTURES ADDED ON PAGE 9.

JUST ADDED SOME PICS OF THE MOLDS BEING MADE ON PAGE 10


Just thought I would update this first post. December, 22 2010

I am doing 20 rd mags and the molds are being made now!

If all goes as planned I will be doing 25 rd mags next.

I am not posting any pics yet until I have all patents and trademarks taken care of, but these look really cool!!!!!


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I am seriously considering having some FAL mags made.
They would be synthetic not steel, I would like them to be basically the equivalent of a Pmag for FAL's.

These mags would count as 3 US parts towards 922r.

I need to see if the market is large enough to warrant the start up costs for the molds and other things involved.

How many of you would buy a quality US made polymer mag and how many would you buy?

I am guessing cost would be between $20 and $25

I am probably going to do 20 and 25rd mags to begin with if this happens.

However let me know what round capacity you would prefer.

I have been getting quite a few requests for 25 rd mags.

Curious what the consensous is on how you guys would like these to look?

More like a traditional FAL mag with a few added gripping enhancements or with more ribs/designs on the entire surface.
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Old March 30, 2010, 18:30   #2
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Sorry can't participate in the polls (never could?)..

But I would buy 5 if they were made available....
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Old March 30, 2010, 18:51   #3
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I'll say three, but I would probably wind up with five so that's how I voted.

Every time I get some mags they have weak springs. That costs about 20 bucks for three wolff replacements.

I'm all for a works donut straight out the package.
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Old March 30, 2010, 19:37   #4
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I would be in for a couple to try out. Once I found that they worked well I would probably buy more.
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Old March 30, 2010, 19:48   #5
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If and it's a BIG IF, they are as good as Pmags I would pony up the 250 +tax and s&h to get 10.
Probably need more since I have a few FALs in the house.
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Old March 30, 2010, 21:17   #6
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Hi Moses,
Great initiative! I already have two FALs so I will need 10 (ten) mags to start
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Old March 30, 2010, 21:48   #7
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I'd buy a couple (2-3) to begin with, maybe more if I really liked them.

Now, I'd really like to see this happen, but I can't in good concience say "I'll buy 10!!!!!" just to get it there. LOL I would definately buy at least 2 at that price point, just to check'em out.
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Old March 30, 2010, 22:29   #8
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I thought DSA was in the process of bringing new mags to market???????
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Old March 30, 2010, 22:41   #9
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I thought DSA was in the process of bringing new mags to market???????
Yeah....I heard that EONS ago....there is no serious commitment to a timeline...no definitive date on WHEN are they going to be available.
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Old March 30, 2010, 23:18   #10
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Yes DSA is and has been working on steel FAL mags.

If I do this I am gonna do it right, I am not gonna settle for cheap feeling unreliable mags.
I will be striving for the equivilant of Pmag quality for the FAL!
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Old March 31, 2010, 00:45   #11
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What about the beak and notch? Metal inserts? If not, those are primary "fail" points, due to shock or wear.
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If they work out, I'd easily be in for ten, and probably more.

What I'd really like to see is a lightweight 30 rounder though......
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Old March 31, 2010, 01:54   #13
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Probably won't have metal inserts but with all the advances in polymers now I don't think they will be needed.

If this happens the mags will have a lifetime warranty to the original owner.
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Old March 31, 2010, 02:35   #14
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Ten for me if they look good... or ten more of the euro's, whichever.
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I polled for 5...........but would probably end up getting 10 in the long run.

If the mags are as good as your FAL builds.......we'll have nothin' to worry about


Now the race is ON. Who can produce U.S. made FAL mags first? DSA - which is trouble-shooting their product - or Moses' vaporware uber-mags (VUMs, for short)

(am secretly rootin' for Moses, of course!)

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Can't vote, never could, donno why?

Anyway, I'd order 5.
I like my PMAGS and 3 US parts would let me gear up the L1A1's with origional parts. "Cept for the metric receivers o'course.

A "window" would be nice, but not absolutely necessary.
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Old March 31, 2010, 11:19   #17
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I voted two. I'll end up buying more, but I can't spend more then $50 on mags at any one time, just dosen't feel right to me when I need so much ammo still.
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Old March 31, 2010, 13:05   #18
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Maybe you can outsource it to FNH! They may be looking for extra work pretty soon...
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Old March 31, 2010, 13:23   #19
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I would buy 10 possibly 20 if they have the quality you describe.
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Old March 31, 2010, 14:57   #20
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If they are PMAG quality, I'll be down for 8, plus the mandatory back ups !
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Old March 31, 2010, 15:41   #21
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I have a meeting with the injection moulding company next week!

Hagar what's up with FNH?
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Old March 31, 2010, 17:53   #22
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i put down for five.....would these have a "pmag" type look or more of a "thermold" look? how many do you need to get it going? what else is in the works?

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I have a meeting with the injection moulding company next week!
If all goes well, how soon could we be able to buy some?

I need a few more mags and if this could happen in the next month or two I will hold off until they became available.
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I'll know more after I meet with them, but I would think if there are no major problems encountered less than 2 months will be doable.
I will be torture testing them too so that will also take some time.

I am still working on the design of the exterior, while I would like to have a Pmag type look I think it will have to be different enough not to infringe on any patents.
I think the Thermold mags were a little plain looking and also too smooth not offering enough grip. I know it will not have the ridge like the thermolds that would interfere with the outside bottom of the magwell preventing the mag from seating.

I definitely plan on having an exterior with some ridges to aid in gripping the mag when inserting and taking it out. I also plan on the design being pleasing to the eye.

After talking to the injection molding company today and getting a ballpark figure I plan on doing this, so barring any unforeseen circumstances this will happen.
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Old March 31, 2010, 21:36   #26
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I'd buy 5. What color? Black? Smoke? Amber?
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Well, unless some kind of ridges are needed for structural reinforcement, you have a lot of grip-enhancing options. You could go with something as simple as smooth, checkered, ribbed or a 'pebble-grain' EG-style, with simple, round bumps. Better yet, Morse code dots&dashes, spelling-out something relevant. Or, Or, ...
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Old April 01, 2010, 01:03   #30
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If I mag was as good as a PMAG, hell yes. If you offered a 25rd one, double hell yes.

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Probably just offer Black to start and maybe do other colors later.
I'll know more after I talk with the injection moulders about color options.

I would love to make 25 rd and 30 rd mags too but the molds are really expensive and therefore I am only doing 20 rd mags to start. If all goes well and there is enough demand I would definitely like to do the 25 and 30 rd mags later.
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Two 20 rounders for me. Count as 3 US parts, yes?
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I voted 10 because that was the most. I'd probably end up with 30 or 40 of them over a year's time. I can name ten other purchasers of 5 to 10 each who aren't on this board.

I really like PMags, and I've always thought that this would be super cool. I'm a supporter if they are quality.
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You need a buy zero option. What's wrong with the metal surplus mags? Are they drying up? I bought so many years ago that I don't pay attention to them anymore.

If you do make them, it might be interesting if they came in higher capacity -- like 25-round or 30-round. I know there are some 30-round mags out there, but they're kind of rare (I have a few). I'd buy some new 30-rounders, but not 20-rounders.
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You need a buy zero option. What's wrong with the metal surplus mags? Are they drying up? I bought so many years ago that I don't pay attention to them anymore.

If you do make them, it might be interesting if they came in higher capacity -- like 25-round or 30-round. I know there are some 30-round mags out there, but they're kind of rare (I have a few). I'd buy some new 30-rounders, but not 20-rounders.
I would buy them just to put the original HTS sets back in. US made HTS just do not function correctly with 100% reliability.
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I would buy them just to put the original HTS sets back in. US made HTS just do not function correctly with 100% reliability.
Hmmmm, that's an interesting option. I didn't think about the U.S. made parts issue. It is kind of a shame throwing perfectly good gas pistons and H/T/S sets out to be replaced with expensive parts that aren't typically as good.

Would a mag count as three parts -- follower, body, floorplate? I know a floorplate counts as one.
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Would a mag count as three parts -- follower, body, floorplate?
Yup. Its a big deal for people like me with imbel receivers which dosen't help with the US parts count. I'd like to be able to use as many stock parts as I can where it counts, and mags are not one of the "counts" spots
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To set your product apart from the rest of the surplus FAL mags you should consider starting out with a 25 round polymer FAL mag.

Try to stay with a "classic" appearance so it looks correct on an FAL and not too "space age", if you know what I mean.

I always thought the Thermold mags looked terrible.

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I'd go with 30 rounders as they are somewhat more uncommon, and the weight savings would be nice.

Maybe make them like the saiga 12 mags that have ribs for the follower all along the sides so you can cut them down to whatever size you want. Then you'll only have to make 30rd molds, save money there.

ETA: Can't say for sure that I'd buy any, as I'm perpetually broke these days...
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I'm good with the 20's, no practical use for a 30 in most instances although it is fun in a 3-Gun match.. I have perfectly good original 30's if/when the mood strikes me..

The U.S. parts things is a Big one, I have yet to get a US H/T/S set that worked as well as an original and would like to put the Surplus parts BACK in my rifles..
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