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motosapien
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Old Post November 24, 2005 01:14    Click Here to See the Profile for motosapien   Click here to Send motosapien a Private Message       Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post #1

I thought that $1.00 face value of pre 65 silver coin in any denomination had 9/10's of an ounce of silver in it. Is that correct?


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I thought the pre-'64 silver was the best?
Rawles should be along shortly to give the correct answer.

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if you are thinking about melting them to get the silver content out you would be dumb.......a vast majority of the pre-64 coins go for much more money then the silver content in them


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Yes, pre 65 silver coins are 90% silver. However, even the cull (badly damaged or severly worn) stuff is worth a premium. It's small sizes alone make it desirable. Kennedy halves from 1965 to 1970 are 40% silver.

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Are you sure about the 65 to 70 Kennedy halves? I thought they were 70% silver.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blood of Tyrants
Are you sure about the 65 to 70 Kennedy halves? I thought they were 70% silver.


Positive. I double checked before I posted.

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Well I was mistaken about the the 9 tenths of an ounce thing then. I know the pre 65 stuff is all 90%. I've got $1000 face value of it (a "bag") and it's nice to see the price going up. It's good to have 401k's and other investments but once in while I'll get the silver coin out to hear it's musical clink.


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Talk about coincidence, I was given two silver quarters im my change from a local Macdonalds day before yesterday. I knew there was something good in all that change as soon as she dropped it into my hand by the distinct difference in sound the old coins made, the cashier never batted an eye.
I got one 1965 quarter in very good shape and one 1942 quarter that looks as though it went around the world, its very worn.
After my son and I finished breakfast I sent him back to get two dollars worth of quarters...but alas, no luck.

I have a 1889 morgan head dollar that looks new. any Idea what it would be worth today? Its all I have left of a bunch of old coins my grandpa gave me, the rest were taken in a break in 10 years ago.


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Originally posted by Gunny71


I have a 1889 morgan head dollar that looks new. any Idea what it would be worth today?



honestly it's hard to say, I would have to look at the coin, mint mark, a carson city one went for something like 500,000 bucks at a 2001 auction......course it was in uncirculated MS68.....MS 70 is perfect. No blemishes, good strike, great color, and a lot of other really nit picky stuff. the 1889-CC is one of the rarest and most desirable dates in the entire series .........there are also varying degree of mint state (MS) if indeed this is a uncirculated coin, Absolutely no trace of wear. and not a excellent shaped one..........which would be a price drop big time between the 2 grades.

if you want to know go to a coin dealer,



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RE:

>> $1,000 worth of dimes, quaters and half dollars contained 723.4 ounces of

>>silver when minted. Because of wear most have less silver now...

That is correct. Most coin dealers assume that a $1,000 face value bag of circulated pre-1965 coins has just 715 ounces of silver, due to wear. That is assuming typical wear for a bag that is composed of nearly one-half of the coins with a 1964 mint date (the largest--and last--minting year of 90% silver coins), and a mix of earlier dates. A lot of the really early quarters (such as Walking Liberty quarters) in a typical bag are so badly worn that you can hardly read the dates. A bag of those woudl probbaly have less than 700 ounces of silver.

So, assuming 715 ounces of silver at the current spot price of $8.12 per ounce, that makes a $1,000 face value bag worth $5,805, wholesale. (Or just think of it as about 5.8 times face value.)


As for the date confusion: The proper term is "Pre-1965"--coins with a mint date of 1964 or earlier. All of the dimes and quarters minted in and after 1965 show a copper edge--they are a phoney sandwich ("clad") copper token rather than a proper silver coin. It is no wonder hat they drove the old 90% coins out of circulation so quickly. There was quite a coin shoratge from 1965 ot 1967.

The 1965-to-1970 Kennedy half dollars are not clad coinages. They are a debased 40% silver alloy. BTW, I still occassionally find those circulating (rarely) in rural areas. They mainly get back into circulation via schoolchildren who break into the wrong piggy bank, and don't know the difference. (Probably the same source as those quarters from McDonald's.)
I recommend that folks get their "beans, bullets and band-aids" squared way first. Then, you might want to purchase one $1,000 junk silver bag per adult family member, for barter purposes. Above and beyond that, any "investment" silver should probably be in the form of 100 ounce Englehard or Johnson-Matthey serialized silver bars. That is the least expensive (lowest premium) way to buy bullion silver that does not require an assay upon resale.
OBTW, if you have the storage space, I strongly recommend silver over fgold. I believe that silver is far more likely to double or triple in price than gold. (It isn't very far from $8 to $16, but psychologically it is a lot farther from $490 to $980!)
I still predict silver at $40+ per ounce by the end of the second term of the Bush administration.



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JW Rawles, why will sliver be so high at the end of GBII?
And since Im asking you questions
Ive read your book several times. I have always had a few questions,but the main one is;
First of all this is no "slam" or "flame" just a curiosity on my part.
Why did the "group" stop people working their way along the road in front of the house. The ones that were "apparently" intent on moving on with no intents of initiating contact. I can see,for instance, stopping the college age guy that was coming along through the woods from the rear.
Thanks for your time and like I said, Ive read your book several times.
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Mine are-

1) People perceive social instability.
2) Central banks have liquidated inventories and have none to sell to hold down prices.
3) China is now a player and is buying huge quantities of the metals as a hedge.
4) Japanese people are buying it rather than saving yens as in the past.
5) Internet has made more people aware and opened markets for individuals.
6) Big money players see the stock market as weak.
7) Price of metal always tracks oil and the market stability.
8) Opec reached maximum production causes shorts on world market.


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in quarter .0.1865 oz

in 1/2 dollar 0.3575 oz

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According to my calculations $1.40 = 1 oz silver. That only works for dimes, quarters, and halves.

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Morgan & Peace dollars: .77 ounce
64' Kennedy; Franklin; Walking Liberty; Barber halves: .36 ounce
64' and earlier Washington; Standing Liberty; Barber quarters: .18 ounce
64' and earlier Roosevelt; Winged Liberty Head (Mercury); Barber dimes: .07 oz.



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