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Old August 27, 2005, 22:39   #1
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Have a SAR 4800 .223? What is serial #?

This thread started out as:
How many SAR4800s were imported?

Does anyone know exactly how many SAR4800s in 5.56x45 were imported by Springfield?


Now, since we are trying to figure it out, we started collecting serial numbers. If you can, please give all but the last digit. You can give the last digit if you want, that is up to you. Post or PM me your Serial Number, and I will add it to this list.

Thanks -

Here is the latest list - updated 4/27/2013

SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm:
SA-SR 1000 (Lowest serial number according to Springfield)
SA-SR 1001 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL (Property of owner of DSA)
SA-SR 1002
SA-SR 1005 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1010
SA-SR 1014
SA-SR 1022 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL, Made in Brazil
SA-SR 1031 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1033
SA-SR 1039 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SA 103X Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1051 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1052 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1065 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1066 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1091 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold and most likely became a spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1100 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1103
SA-SR 1108
SA-SR 113x
SA-SR 1136
SA-SR 114x Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1152 Springfield Armory/Geneseo
SA-SR 1174 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1176
SA-SR 1177 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1184 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 119x Springfield Armory Geneseo IL Sold By R-Guns 1/24/94
SA-SR 119x
SA-SR 1199 seen on GB
SA-SR 1207
SA-SR 1208
SA-SR 1214
SA-SR 1223 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1231?
SA-SR 1232 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1241
SA-SR 1242 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1251 Springfield Inc Colona IL Converted to para?
SA-SR 1255 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1267 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1268 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1270 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1271 (lost in accident)
SA-SR 1288 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1301
SA-SR 1304
SA-SA 1309
SA-SR 1311
SA-SR 1314 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1318 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 132x
SA-SR 1330 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1333
SA-SR 133x
SA-SR 1344
SA-SR 1353
SA-SR 1354
SA-SR 1357
SA-SR 1371
SA-SR 1372
SA-SR 1390
SA-SR 1395 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1410
SA-SR 1432
SA-SR 1436 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL. Box labeled Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1448 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL
SA-SR 1450 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL
SA-SR 1436 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL on receiver, (Colona, IL on original box)
SA-SR 1485 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1491 Springfield Inc Colona IL
SA-SR 1505 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1518
SA-SR 1519 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1522
SA-SR 1531 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1532 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1551
SA SR 1554 Geneseo, IL
SA-SR 1559 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 156x
SA-SR 1561
SA-SR 1566 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1569
SA-SR 158x Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 159x
SA-SR 1590
SA-SR 1604
SA-SR 1607 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1608
SA-SR 161x
SA-SR 1623
SA-SR 164x
SA SR 1642 Springfield Armory, Geneseo IL, dot peened and not stamped
SA-SR 1645
SA-SR 1648
SA-SR 1649
SA-SR 1655
SA-SR 1658 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL
SA-SR 1661 purchased NIB from CDNN 02-05-1998
SA-SR 1663 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL, dot peened and not stamped



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Old August 27, 2005, 23:08   #2
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Have heard 1000 to 1500.

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The (MD3), known in the USA as the (Springfield) S.A.R.4800 (5.56).Only about 1100 were imported after 1989.

Mine was made in November 1985.


http://world.guns.ru/assault/as52-e.htm


This is interesting....

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...c/005409a.html
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Old August 28, 2005, 01:37   #4
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The (MD3), known in the USA as the (Springfield) S.A.R.4800 (5.56).Only about 1100 were imported after 1989.

Mine was made in November 1985.


No it wasnt.
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Old August 28, 2005, 03:05   #5
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The (MD3), known in the USA as the (Springfield) S.A.R.4800 (5.56).Only about 1100 were imported after 1989.

Mine was made in November 1985.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as52-e.htm
. . .
Not the same rifle. The link says that the MD3 rifle had a rotating bolt. The SAR4800s have a tilting bolt. Also, look close, and the lower does not look the same.

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IMBEL MD-2 rifle (MD-3 rifle in the insert below)

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm (.223 remington)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 1010 mm (764 mm with folded stock)
Barrel length: 453 mm
Weigth: 4.4 kg
Rate of fire: 700 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 rounds

The MD-2 assault rifle was developed by IMBEL (Industria de Materiel Belico do Brasil). Development began circa 1982, first prototype, named MD-1, appeared in 1983 and final version, named MD-2, came out circa 1985 and later was adopted by Brasilian military.

MD-2 started as a simply scaled down FN FAL rifle (manufactured in Brasil under license as IMBEL LAR), but during the design time the FAL locking system (tilting block) was replaced by M16-type rotating bolt. The receiver design is, however, still very similar to FAL.

MD-2 is a gas operated, selective fire assault rifle, with rotating bolt locking. Trigger group is mounted into the pistol grip unit, which is hinged to the receiver and folds down and forward for disassembly and maintenance. MD-2 featured side-folding metallic buttstock, MD-3 rifle is similar to the MD-2 but has fixed plastic buttstock. MD-2 uses any M16 style magazines.

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You guys are right. I just googled up a bunch of stuff on 5.56 FALs late last night.

There is more info in this thread:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...0&pagenumber=2

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Have heard 1000 to 1500.

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Yeah, I heard that too . . . from you. Any definitive number?
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Old August 28, 2005, 10:37   #8
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I was told by springfield armory that roughly 480 rifles were imported in .223,give or take a few from that number.Personally I have never seen one of the .223 rifles with a serial number below 1000 and the highest number observed was in the 1600 range and was one of the last sold by Davidsons in AZ.Maybe we could post our numbers to get some sort of high and low number range.mills41
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Sounds like a good idea. Mine is in the low 1400's.

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mine is 117X - I was told by Springfield that it was mfg'd on 11/85.

Springfield won't give you any info without the exact serial #'s




**Mr POGO already told me that the 117X S/N wasn't the complete S/N but it appears that the 5.56 SARs have 4 digit serial #s and the .308s have 5 digit serial #s.

I even got the email address for Imbel - thinking of emailing them for info.
http://imbel.gov.br/index.php?centro=contato

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Not the same rifle. The link says that the MD3 rifle had a rotating bolt. The SAR4800s have a tilting bolt. Also, look close, and the lower does not look the same.





One of the prototypes tested before the MD2/3 series was adopted had a rotating bolt, Janes (and IIRC Ian Hogg) incorrectly listed this as the final version. Now Imbel has returned to the rotating bolt in their new 5.56mm rifle.

Members of the old board about 6 or 7 years ago may remember the magazine article on the MD2/3 series I scanned and another member PDFed, it included the development history and the different models.
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ALBPM,

Should have the link or at least pictures showing the various lengths. I know that on mine, a .308 lower works it just fine and does not cause problems. ALBPM's was giving him some trouble yestersay and we tried my L1A1 lower for grins and it worked fine.

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That was my thread



http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=135974

I'm still having FTE problems but not as bad as before I replaced my recoil spring.

I swapped lowers with one of Vince's .308s and it ejected the cases a little better

I just ordered a new complete Spring Set from TAPCO last night and will try a full length .308 recoil spring instead of the cut down one I have now. Also, I'll replace the extractor spring.

My 5.56 SAR shoots the Wolf Steel cased ammo just fine but has problems with Brass cased ammo - Lake City and Malaysian.
So, it could be due to a worn extractor or perhaps the extractor spring is worn out?????

Forgot to mention that I also ordered a Gas Tube from Gun Parts Guy last night too.

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I currently have 113X,117X and 159X.On rifles 113X and 117x the fake flash hider has a flared tulip profile and no set screw so I assume that they are blind pinned on and threaded. On 159X the fake flash hider looks very similar to an fake AR15 flash hider and has the small set screw on the bottom.I do not know if it is threaded or not.

This is my 117X, 5.56....



It had a combo device on the barrel when I bought it at a Gun Show. I replaced that with a Phoenix Flash Hider made by boxofrocks. So, it appears that originally my SAR4800 in 5.56 had the blind pinned bell shaped device on it like yours.

So, if the original muzzle device is Blind Pinned the barrels are threaded but if there is a small set screw the barrels are not threaded.
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I do not have a .223 sar 4800,i do have a .308 sar 4800,that weapon came with the fake m16 style thread protector with the slotted set screw in it.the rifle does have a threaded barrel and the thread protector simply unscrewed off the muzzle.i know we may be comparing apples to oranges here but i thought that the info may be important.
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My 223 SAR 4800 is # 1491

Not sure how the muzzle weight is attached but it is flush with the end of the barrel

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Thanks for the information on the springs.I will dig mine out one night next week and check the length.mills41
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I also used to own if my memory is correct 109X and was bought as a parts rifle that was in mint condition.It was missing the bolt assembly but the bolt carrier was present.It was also missing the magazine release button assembly.I sent it back to springfield armory for the parts to be replaced and they had a spare magazine button,bar and spring but no new bolts were available.They did have a parts rifle which they took parts off of for mine.They did have a used bolt from rifle numbered in the 1300 range but the extractor was heavily worn in the milled part in the bolt where the extractor is held in place.The rifle never did function correct so down the road it got traded in for something else.
Was the Serial Number 1095? This was one of the first SAR-4800's brought into the country and was sold by R-Guns. I had major functioning problems with it and returned it to Springfield for repair. They could not repair it and ended up replacing it with a new SAR-4800, Serial Number 13xx.
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It was serial 1095.It ended up with a different numbered bolt and ejector work by springfield armory and still didn't work.I could tell that the extractor cut in the bolt and extractor itself were severely worn in the bolt that was the replacement for the missing one .It would not hold a shell tightly against the face of the bolt.Springfield also welded a piece of metal about an inch long onto the front of the ejector in an effort to solve the ejection problem.If replacement parts would of been available it would of been an easy repair by replacing the bolt with a new one and checking headspace but no replacement parts were or are available.Mills41
Here is part of the letter I enclosed with Serial Number 1095 when I returned it to Springfield. Thought you would find it interesting. I am surprised they tried such a Mickey Mouse repair and sent it back out for sale.


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I thought that it was odd that the rifle would of been resold again so I went digging into my reciepts and found it was serial number 1092 not 1095 that I had and had the problems with not number 1095 which was your rifle.The problems I was experiancing were identical to yours.I can only asume that the extractor cut in the bolt and the extractor itself were at fault in the early batch of rifles.The extractor on the replacement bolt stuck out so far that it would not even hold the shell casing firmly against the face of the bolt.Sorry for the mix-up of numbers on my part.The mind is the first thing to go you know!!!Mills41
More extractor problems were encountered on the replacement I received for Serial Number 1095. I ended up shipping Serial Number 1301 back to Springfield two more times before it functioned properly. I eventually sold this rifle to a friend of a friend back in 1994. As far as I know he never had any problems with it.

Below are scans of parts of the two different letters that accompanied the rifle on its two returns to Springfield.




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I may be having the same extractor problem with my 5.56.



I have a nice brass circle from the ends of the empty cartridges hitting above and to the right of the chamber.

I don't have the problem of the bolt not staying open after the last round in the mag is fired though.
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mine is 117X - I was told by Springfield that it was mfg'd on 11/85.

Springfield won't give you any info without the exact serial #'s




**Mr POGO already told me that the 117X S/N wasn't the complete S/N but it appears that the 5.56 SARs have 4 digit serial #s and the .308s have 5 digit serial #s.

I even got the email address for Imbel - thinking of emailing them for info.
http://imbel.gov.br/index.php?centro=contato
The 5.56 4800s have a prefix to distinguish them from other SARs.
Look at any 5.56 reciever, the serial will start out SA SR1xxx.
If you give SA just the numerals they will give you the date for a preban SAR48.
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I see!!!!

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Also, since we can't get the extractors to fix the FTE problems I wonder if this "Ejector Mod" would help with the problem

http://www.derbyfals.com/EJECTOR%20ANGLES.htm
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Just tried that and not much play pulling forward. There is a bit of side to side wobble.

Does/did yours do this with Wolf too???

My 5.56 shoots Wolf just fine. So far I only have this problem with ammo that has brass cartridges like Lake City and the Malaysian that Ratas had.

I repeated this with both Wolf and Lake City cartridges and didn't notice any difference. Maybe this is a Spring issue because the Lake City is hotter than the Wolf.

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But don't forget it worked perfect with my 308 lower. I think there is something funny with the recoil tube, or the recoil spring.

I know we discussced this, but what you are getting is similar to what happens when one puts too much grease on the recoil spring.

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I checked the extractor on my 5.56mm SAR-4800 and a cartridge seats nice and tight without any movement. While I had the bolt out I took comparison photos between 5.56mm and 7.62mm bolts. I see Imbel polishes the top and bottom of the 5.56mm bolt. Must be for reliable function with the smaller cartridge.







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Thanks!!! Our 5.56 bolts are polished too. My 5.56 holds the cartridges in just as well as my .308.

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Mine are polished also.So far we have a range from #1092 to a little over #1640.Maybe there were actually only around 450 of them imported if you account for the few sold to germany as revealed here.I was told by springfield around 480 imported in .223 but do not remember the exact number.Mills41
The SAR-4800G's were 7.62mm, not 5.56mm.
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Here is the spread so far:


SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223:
1092
11xx
126x
12xx
14xx
14xx
164x

Any more? Plus check for any errors and I can update.
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Here's the updated list.

SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223:
SA-SR 1092
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield parts gun)
SA-SR 11xx
SA-SR 126x
SA-SR 127x
SA-SR 1301
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 164x
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Mine is 1174.

If we can get most of the complete numbers Springfield will give us the MFG dates.
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SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223:
SA-SR 1092
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield parts gun)
SA-SR 1174
SA-SR 126x
SA-SR 127x
SA-SR 1301
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 164x
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I was checking my SAR-4800's and noticed Springfield's legal name and location changed on the 5.56mm version.

SAR-4800, 7.62mm, Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL
SAR-4800, 5.56mm, Springfield Inc., Colona, IL
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SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223:
SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold and most likely became a spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun)
SA-SR 113x
SA-SR 1174
SA-SR 1176
SA-SR 126x
SA-SR 127x
SA-SR 1301
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 159x
SA-SR 164x
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Updated List

List updated. I just heard from an old friend who has three SAR-4800 in 5.56mm.

SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm:
SA-SR 1066
SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold and most likely became a spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1100
SA-SR 113x
SA-SR 1174
SA-SR 1176
SA-SR 126x
SA-SR 127x
SA-SR 1301
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 1559
SA-SR 159x
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I emailed Springfield with the list from yesterday afternoon:


Hi Teresa,

Need you help one more time.

Can you please find the Mfg dates for the following SAR 4800s in .223??

SA-SR 1092
SA-SR 1095
SA-SR 1174
SA-SR 1176
SA-SR 1301


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Hello Paul,

All the serial numbers for the SAR 4800 were manufactured in October of 1985. I hope this helps!

Thank you for your interest in our Springfield Inc. products.



Springfield won't give any info with the Xs in the Serial numbers.

I'll email the new additions to them.
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. . . Springfield won't give any info with the Xs in the Serial numbers.

I'll email the new additions to them.
Okay.

126x = 1267.

Is she sure it was 1985 and not 1995? If we sent a letter, can we get a signed letter on a Springfield letterhead in return verifying the date of manufacture? I'd even throw in a self-addressed and stamped envelope.
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Okay.

126x = 1267.

Is she sure it was 1985 and not 1995? If we sent a letter, can we get a signed letter on a Springfield letterhead in return verifying the date of manufacture? I'd even throw in a self-addressed and stamped envelope.
The SAR-4800's were introduced in 1990 because of the 1989 ban on the SAR-48's. For Teresa to state they were made before 1989 does not make any sense.

All SAR-48's are 1989 pre-ban and all SAR-4800's are post-ban.
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Updated to include differences in Springfield's legal name and location. I suspect all of the 10xx Series and some of the 11xx series are marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL.

SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm:
SA-SR 1066
SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold and most likely became a spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1100
SA-SR 113x
SA-SR 1174
SA-SR 1176
SA-SR 126x
SA-SR 127x (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL)
SA-SR 1301
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 1559
SA-SR 159x
SA-SR 164x
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Updates emailed to Springfield....
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The SAR-4800's were introduced in 1990 because of the 1989 ban on the SAR-48's. For Teresa to state they were made before 1989 does not make any sense.

All SAR-48's are 1989 pre-ban and all SAR-4800's are post-ban.
Teresa is mis-informed or inputing the query into their system improperly. SafteyAgentMan is correct; the whole reason for the SAR4800 designation is that they are POST 1989 import ban weapons...

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I got an e-mail from my friend this afternoon.His SAR in .223 is serial number #1311.He also told me that the exact number he got from springfield armory for total .223 production was 456 of them.mills41
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i have one that is 122X have to dig out my other one to check the ser. # on it.
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i have one that is 122X have to dig out my other one to check the ser. # on it.
terral,

Please check to see if your 5.56mm SAR-4800's are marked:

Springfield Armory Geneseo IL
or
Springfield Inc Colona IL USA
or
Springfield Inc Geneseo IL

List updated to include differences in Springfield's legal name and location.

SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm:
SA-SR 1066 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL)
SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold and most likely became a spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun)
SA-SR 1100 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL)
SA-SR 113x
SA-SR 1174
SA-SR 1176
SA-SR 122x
SA-SR 126x
SA-SR 127x (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL)
SA-SR 1301
SA-SR 14xx
SA-SR 1559 (Marked Springfield Inc Geneseo IL)
SA-SR 159x
SA-SR 164x

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SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm:
SA-SR 1066 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) 10/85'mfg
SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold and most likely became a spare parts gun) 10/85'mfg
SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun) 10/85'mfg
SA-SR 1100 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) 11/85'mfg
SA-SR 113x ?
SA-SR 1174 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) also SAR-4800, 10/85'mfg
SA-SR 1176 10/85'mfg
SA-SR 122x (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL)
SA-SR 1267 11/85'mfg
SA-SR 1270 (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL) 11/85'mfg
SA-SR 1301 10/85'mfg
SA-SR 1311 ?
SA-SR 14xx ?
SA-SR 1559 (Marked Springfield Inc Geneseo IL) 12/85'mfg
SA-SR 159x ?
SA-SR 164x ?


I also got more feedback from Springfield:

Hi Paul,

I show that SA-SR 1066 was manufactured in October of 1985. 1100, 1270 and 1267 were manufactured in November of 1985. 1559 was manufactured in December of 1985.

I have checked all the numbers on your list. I do not see where any of them (specifically 1095) came back for upgrades or repairs.

I hope this helps!


My reply
Thanks Teresa,

I’m just curious since most of these are SAR-4800 and not SAR-48 shouldn’t they be Post Ban from 1989 -1994???


I heard that The SAR-4800's were introduced in 1990 because of the 1989 ban on the SAR-48's.


Paul,

Started as the SAR-48 late 1988. It had a pistol grip stock, carrying handle &
flash suppressor until the import ban in June 1989. After June 1, 1989, the rifle
was Sportorized. All rifles that say SAR-4800 are “POST BAN” guns.


Now, I emailed her again asking if the manufacture date and import dates are different....??? Basically what's the deal with the 1985 mfg dates for the post ban (1989) SAR-4800s.

So far all our "Post Ban" SARs were manufactured in 1985 yet are marked SAR-4800 which is post 1989????? Will see if she replies tomorrow.


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I also got more feedback from Springfield:

Hi Paul,

I have checked all the numbers on your list. I do not see where any of them (specifically 1095) came back for upgrades or repairs.

I hope this helps!


Paul,

All rifles that say SAR-4800 are “POST BAN” guns.
ALBPM,

For our purposes the only thing that matters is when the finished rifles were stamped and imported. In our case all 5.56mm SAR-4800's are post 1989 ban rifles.

Regarding Serial Number Serial Number 1095 being returned for repair, see attached invoice from Springfield showing Serial Number 1095 being exchanged for Serial Number 1301. This tells you everything you need to know about the accuracy of Teresa's research.


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