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Have a SAR 4800 .223? What is serial #?
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How many SAR4800s were imported? Does anyone know exactly how many SAR4800s in 5.56x45 were imported by Springfield? Now, since we are trying to figure it out, we started collecting serial numbers. If you can, please give all but the last digit. You can give the last digit if you want, that is up to you. Post or PM me your Serial Number, Thanks - Here is the latest list - updated 4/27/2013 SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm: SA-SR 1000 (Lowest serial number according to Springfield) SA-SR 1001 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL (Property of owner of DSA) SA-SR 1002 SA-SR 1005 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1010 SA-SR 1014 SA-SR 1022 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL, Made in Brazil SA-SR 1031 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1033 SA-SR 1039 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SA 103X Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1051 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1052 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1065 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1066 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1091 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun) SA-SR 1100 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1103 SA-SR 1108 SA-SR 113x SA-SR 1136 SA-SR 114x Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1152 Springfield Armory/Geneseo SA-SR 1174 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1176 SA-SR 1177 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1184 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 119x Springfield Armory Geneseo IL Sold By R-Guns 1/24/94 SA-SR 119x SA-SR 1199 seen on GB SA-SR 1207 SA-SR 1208 SA-SR 1214 SA-SR 1223 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1231? SA-SR 1232 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1241 SA-SR 1242 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1251 Springfield Inc Colona IL Converted to para? SA-SR 1255 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1267 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1268 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1270 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1271 (lost in accident) SA-SR 1288 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1301 SA-SR 1304 SA-SA 1309 SA-SR 1311 SA-SR 1314 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1318 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 132x SA-SR 1330 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL SA-SR 1333 SA-SR 133x SA-SR 1344 SA-SR 1353 SA-SR 1354 SA-SR 1357 SA-SR 1371 SA-SR 1372 SA-SR 1390 SA-SR 1395 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1410 SA-SR 1432 SA-SR 1436 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL. Box labeled Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1448 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL SA-SR 1450 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL SA-SR 1436 Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL on receiver, (Colona, IL on original box) SA-SR 1485 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1491 Springfield Inc Colona IL SA-SR 1505 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 1518 SA-SR 1519 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 1522 SA-SR 1531 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 1532 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 1551 SA SR 1554 Geneseo, IL SA-SR 1559 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 156x SA-SR 1561 SA-SR 1566 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 1569 SA-SR 158x Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 159x SA-SR 1590 SA-SR 1604 SA-SR 1607 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 1608 SA-SR 161x SA-SR 1623 SA-SR 164x SA SR 1642 Springfield Armory, Geneseo IL, dot peened SA-SR 1645 SA-SR 1648 SA-SR 1649 SA-SR 1655 SA-SR 1658 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL SA-SR 1661 purchased NIB from CDNN 02-05-1998 SA-SR 1663 Springfield Inc Geneseo IL, dot peened
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Have heard 1000 to 1500.
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The (MD3), known in the USA as the (Springfield) S.A.R.4800 (5.56).Only about 1100 were imported after 1989.
Mine was made in November 1985. http://world.guns.ru/assault/as52-e.htm This is interesting.... http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...c/005409a.html |
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You guys are right. I just googled up a bunch of stuff on 5.56 FALs late last night.
There is more info in this thread: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...0&pagenumber=2 Last edited by ALBPM; August 28, 2005 at 10:27. |
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I was told by springfield armory that roughly 480 rifles were imported in .223,give or take a few from that number.Personally I have never seen one of the .223 rifles with a serial number below 1000
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Sounds like a good idea. Mine is in the low 1400's.
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mine is 117X - I was told by Springfield that it was mfg'd on 11/85.
Springfield won't give you any info without the exact serial #'s **Mr POGO already told me that the 117X S/N wasn't the complete S/N but it appears that the 5.56 SARs have 4 digit serial #s I even got the email address for Imbel - thinking of emailing them for info. http://imbel.gov.br/index.php?centro=contato Last edited by ALBPM; August 28, 2005 at 11:13. |
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One of the prototypes tested before the MD2/3 series was adopted had a rotating bolt, Janes ( Members of the old board about 6 or 7 years ago may remember the magazine article on the MD2/3 series I scanned
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ALBPM,
Should have the link or at least pictures showing the various lengths. I know that on mine, a .308 lower works it just fine Vince |
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That was my thread
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=135974 I'm still having FTE problems but not as bad as before I replaced my recoil spring. I swapped lowers with one of Vince's .308s I just ordered a new complete Spring Set from TAPCO last night My 5.56 SAR shoots the Wolf Steel cased ammo just fine but has problems with Brass cased ammo - Lake City So, it could be due to a worn extractor or perhaps the extractor spring is worn out????? Forgot to mention that I also ordered a Gas Tube from Gun Parts Guy last night too. Last edited by ALBPM; August 28, 2005 at 12:14. |
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This is my 117X, 5.56.... It had a combo device on the barrel when I bought it at a Gun Show. I replaced that with a Phoenix Flash Hider made by boxofrocks. So, it appears that originally my SAR4800 in 5.56 had the blind pinned bell shaped device on it like yours. So, if the original muzzle device is Blind Pinned the barrels are threaded but if there is a small set screw the barrels are not threaded. |
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I do not have a .223 sar 4800,i do have a .308 sar 4800,that weapon came with the fake m16 style thread protector with the slotted set screw in it.the rifle does have a threaded barrel
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My 223 SAR 4800 is # 1491
Not sure how the muzzle weight is attached but it is flush with the end of the barrel Last edited by moses; February 01, 2007 at 22:33. |
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Thanks for the information on the springs.I will dig mine out one night next week
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I may be having the same extractor problem with my 5.56.
I have a nice brass circle from the ends of the empty cartridges hitting above I don't have the problem of the bolt not staying open after the last round in the mag is fired though. |
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Look at any 5.56 reciever, the serial will start out SA SR1xxx. If you give SA just the numerals they will give you the date for a preban SAR48.
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I see!!!!
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Also, since we can't get the extractors to fix the FTE problems I wonder if this "Ejector Mod" would help with the problem
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Just tried that
Does/did yours do this with Wolf too??? My 5.56 shoots Wolf just fine. So far I only have this problem with ammo that has brass cartridges like Lake City I repeated this with both Wolf Last edited by ALBPM; August 29, 2005 at 00:14. |
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But don't forget it worked perfect with my 308 lower. I think there is something funny with the recoil tube, or the recoil spring.
I know we discussced this, but what you are getting is similar to what happens when one puts too much grease on the recoil spring. Vince |
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I checked the extractor on my 5.56mm SAR-4800
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Thanks!!! Our 5.56 bolts are polished too. My 5.56 holds the cartridges in just as well as my .308.
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Here is the spread so far:
SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223: 1092 11xx 126x 12xx 14xx 14xx 164x Any more? Plus check for any errors Rats like math.
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Here's the updated list.
SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223: SA-SR 1092 SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield parts gun) SA-SR 11xx SA-SR 126x SA-SR 127x SA-SR 1301 SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 164x |
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Mine is 1174.
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SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223:
SA-SR 1092 SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield parts gun) SA-SR 1174 SA-SR 126x SA-SR 127x SA-SR 1301 SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 164x
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I was checking my SAR-4800's
SAR-4800, 7.62mm, Springfield Armory, Geneseo, IL SAR-4800, 5.56mm, Springfield Inc., Colona, IL |
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SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in .223:
SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun) SA-SR 113x SA-SR 1174 SA-SR 1176 SA-SR 126x SA-SR 127x SA-SR 1301 SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 159x SA-SR 164x |
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List updated. I just heard from an old friend who has three SAR-4800 in 5.56mm.
SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm: SA-SR 1066 SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun) SA-SR 1100 SA-SR 113x SA-SR 1174 SA-SR 1176 SA-SR 126x SA-SR 127x SA-SR 1301 SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 1559 SA-SR 159x SA-SR 164x |
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I emailed Springfield with the list from yesterday afternoon:
Hi Teresa, Need you help one more time. Can you please find the Mfg dates for the following SAR 4800s in .223?? SA-SR 1092 SA-SR 1095 SA-SR 1174 SA-SR 1176 SA-SR 1301 REPLY: Hello Paul, All the serial numbers for the SAR 4800 were manufactured in October of 1985. I hope this helps! Thank you for your interest in our Springfield Inc. products. Springfield won't give any info with the Xs in the Serial numbers. I'll email the new additions to them. |
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126x = 1267. Is she sure it was 1985
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Updated to include differences in Springfield's legal name
SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm: SA-SR 1066 SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun) SA-SR 1100 SA-SR 113x SA-SR 1174 SA-SR 1176 SA-SR 126x SA-SR 127x (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL) SA-SR 1301 SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 1559 SA-SR 159x SA-SR 164x |
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Updates emailed to Springfield....
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Hello
I got an e-mail from my friend this afternoon.His SAR in .223 is serial number #1311.He also told me that the exact number he got from springfield armory for total .223 production was 456 of them.mills41 |
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i have one that is 122X have to dig out my other one to check the ser. # on it.
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Please check to see if your 5.56mm SAR-4800's are marked: Springfield Armory Geneseo IL or Springfield Inc Colona IL USA or Springfield Inc Geneseo IL List updated to include differences in Springfield's legal name SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm: SA-SR 1066 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun) SA-SR 1100 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) SA-SR 113x SA-SR 1174 SA-SR 1176 SA-SR 122x SA-SR 126x SA-SR 127x (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL) SA-SR 1301 SA-SR 14xx SA-SR 1559 (Marked Springfield Inc Geneseo IL) SA-SR 159x SA-SR 164x Last edited by SafetyAgentMan; August 31, 2005 at 19:35. |
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SERIAL NUMBERS FOR SAR4800s in 5.56mm:
SA-SR 1066 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) 10/85'mfg SA-SR 1092 (Not reparable, resold SA-SR 1095 (Returned to Springfield for replacement. Most likely became Springfield spare parts gun) 10/85'mfg SA-SR 1100 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) 11/85'mfg SA-SR 113x ? SA-SR 1174 (Marked Springfield Armory Geneseo IL) also SAR-4800, 10/85'mfg SA-SR 1176 10/85'mfg SA-SR 122x (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL) SA-SR 1267 11/85'mfg SA-SR 1270 (Marked Springfield Inc Colona IL) 11/85'mfg SA-SR 1301 10/85'mfg SA-SR 1311 ? SA-SR 14xx ? SA-SR 1559 (Marked Springfield Inc Geneseo IL) 12/85'mfg SA-SR 159x ? SA-SR 164x ? I also got more feedback from Springfield: Hi Paul, I show that SA-SR 1066 was manufactured in October of 1985. 1100, 1270 I have checked all the numbers on your list. I do not see where any of them (specifically 1095) came back for upgrades or repairs. I hope this helps! My reply Thanks Teresa, I’m just curious since most of these are SAR-4800 I heard that The SAR-4800's were introduced in 1990 because of the 1989 ban on the SAR-48's. Paul, Started as the SAR-48 late 1988. It had a pistol grip stock, carrying handle & flash suppressor until the import ban in June 1989. After June 1, 1989, the rifle was Sportorized. All rifles that say SAR-4800 are “POST BAN” guns. Now, I emailed her again asking if the manufacture date So far all our "Post Ban" SARs were manufactured in 1985 yet are marked SAR-4800 which is post 1989????? Will see if she replies tomorrow. Last edited by ALBPM; August 31, 2005 at 22:08. |
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mines marked springfield inc colona il
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For our purposes the only thing that matters is when the finished rifles were stamped Regarding Serial Number Serial Number 1095 being returned for repair, see attached invoice from Springfield showing Serial Number 1095 being exchanged for Serial Number 1301. This tells you everything you need to know about the accuracy of Teresa's research.
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