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Old August 25, 2009, 22:11   #1
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And now for something completely different! (9mm AK pistol)

I found this orion's hammer build, and figured it'd be a fun project, I made some changes, as I can use a mill, so the whole segmented bolt thing was unneeded. I got my dad to fold the receiver and weld on the mag well so I'd be all legal and such. It uses sten mags, has a modified AK FCG, a luger barrel with a ring in it from a barrel wrench (I got it free at a gunshow), a fixed extractor, and a section of arc welding electrode as a firing pin.





















Yes, the firing pin is quite off center.


So, whaddayall think of it? I got $30 into it for mags and that is it.
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Old August 25, 2009, 22:21   #2
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I think I'M REAL GLAD your shootin it and NOT me..
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Old August 25, 2009, 22:24   #3
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Old August 25, 2009, 22:34   #4
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It is pretty much on the verge of falling apart, but the springs are strong enough to slow the bolt down enough that it would only cause a flesh wound.
It was test fired with welding gloves on and a face shield, I was actually expecting it to come apart!

I could probably grind the welds, mill all the surfaces nice, sand blast it, paint it and it'd look a lot nicer, but I don't really care how it looks, as it is pretty much a proof of concept sorta thing.
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Old August 25, 2009, 22:39   #5
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some thing like that give the gun grabbers fits because even if they ban our EBR's that goes to prove we can make our own if needed. Think liberator pistol.
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Old August 25, 2009, 23:07   #6
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some thing like that give the gun grabbers fits because even if they ban our EBR's that goes to prove we can make our own if needed. Think liberator pistol.
Exactly what I was thinking! It ain't an everyday pistol, heck it doesn't even have sights, but it'd beat having nothing.
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Old August 25, 2009, 23:21   #7
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Oh my god that is F'ing hideous.

But awesome that you built it basically from scratch. Kudos for your accomplishment.

Still wouldn't stick my face next to it. \

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Old August 25, 2009, 23:32   #8
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buddy thats better than my budds water pipe break open car valvespring shotgun ...i like it ...


but its a little small ..hehee


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Old August 26, 2009, 00:10   #9
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Oh my god that is F'ing hideous.

But awesome that you built it basically from scratch. Kudos for your accomplishment.

Still wouldn't stick my face next to it.
Okay, in order, the uglyness is half the fun, if I take the paper off it'll show the galvanized air duct I used for a receiver, ugly is easy to do, the thing went together in 10 hours of work. Thanks for the compliment! I don't put my face behind it when shooting it, the rear trunnion is starting to egg the holes in the receiver, it needs a screw from the bottom of the receiver to keep it from twisting up, but I drilled out too much metal from the trunnion when I clearanced it for chips from tapping the holes in the sides.
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Old August 26, 2009, 01:05   #10
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I think that it is so ugly and crude that I like it. It has a certain appeal to it...sorta like, well I dont know, but I like it. It is almost like modern post apocalypse art or something......of coarse I would not want to be anywhere near it when a live round goes off in it, but it does have some appeal to it for me at least....
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Old August 26, 2009, 02:27   #11
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throw it away. its a great first step, seeing what works and doesnt. you have and ak pattern and the ability to bend an ak like receiver. look at simple guns and take what you can make and what you can buy cheaply and marry the two. find a tec 9 upper, or an aa 9mm and marry that to your home built ak lower. go to weapooner, cnc guns and diy guns and get ideas see what others are doing, get ideas. we dont wanna see you blow your face off. a good gun will take more than one try to get all the details worked out and the craftsman ship to a respectable level. save a little money up and throw a little coin at your next project.
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Old August 26, 2009, 07:21   #12
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My first thoughts? You just don't see extension springs in a firearm very often...

Was justashooter's signiture line your inspiration?
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One question...

...couldn't you have made it uglier?
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Old August 26, 2009, 10:36   #14
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your welding is shit. The rest looks pretty well done. I am interested to see how the springs work, I suspect they will start flopping uncontrollably, and you'd be better off with a two-arm captured spring. With a groove down the receiver or an "up and over" on the bolt to get centered, you could put the recoil springs on the outside of the receiver where your current springs are.
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Old August 26, 2009, 10:59   #15
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I like it !
It has a certain "charm" ?

Definitely an FU to the gun-grabbing types.
So what if the Feds confiscate all the "pretty" stuff.
The next generation stuff, out of garages and basements, may look like sort-of-like yours and will be every bit as lethal.
Hopefully not on BOTH ends.
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your welding is shit. The rest looks pretty well done. I am interested to see how the springs work, I suspect they will start flopping uncontrollably, and you'd be better off with a two-arm captured spring. With a groove down the receiver or an "up and over" on the bolt to get centered, you could put the recoil springs on the outside of the receiver where your current springs are.
It was a non critical weld, so more attention was put to not burning through, well that and using .035 wire where .030 wire woulda done a much better job, I should grind it down and make it pretty, but it don't hurt nothing...
The springs seem to work well enough, I was limited by my choice of an AK FCG, I'd have to use a cable setup to put a compression spring in it, and it'd have to be out front in front of the front trunnion, or raise the spring to about as high as the charging handle, the disconnector surface of the hammer pokes over the top of the bolt a good 1/4" when it is down.

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throw it away.

take what you can make and what you can buy cheaply

save a little money up and throw a little coin at your next project.
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Was justashooter's signiture line your inspiration?
I'm assuming you mean this part:

"If the concept of heading on down to the local Home Depot and transforming $100 worth of random pipe bits into a killing machine doesn’t appeal to you, you’re a frikkin' pansy. Also, you’re probably sane and will live significantly longer than I will.

Nonetheless you disgust me, and I take comfort in the knowledge that your obituary will be nowhere near as humorous as mine."

and since it isn't a flamethrower I made I can't say it is. I wish I could find the article that was from, the guy made a flamethrower, and for the pressure tank he used foam core PVC! I'd have used at least steel pipe...
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I'"If the concept of heading on down to the local Home Depot and transforming $100 worth of random pipe bits into a killing machine doesn’t appeal to you, you’re a frikkin' pansy.
Heheehehhe.

Lock a boy-child in a closet and he'll come out with two toys - a gun and a car.


Try a copper or brass backing (aluminum will work too but not as well) so you can get better penetration on the weld without burning through - and don't forget, the Sterling is brazed together - no welding.
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Try a copper or brass backing (aluminum will work too but not as well) so you can get better penetration on the weld without burning through
I completely forgot about that, I remember hearing about it from the guys that weld together milled AK parts kits. Thanks for the reminder!
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step over here a minute, son. we need to talk.
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DUDE! you need to go over to www.weaponsguild.com ,join up and post that build and how you did it in the 'homebuilt section....

I am a member there and there are ALL sorts of builds from maxims to brens to stens...etc homebuilds,plain custom work..all of it..

Finally..CRUDE BUT EFFECTIVE...shows ya cant keep a guy from his guns and a US Constitutional Patriot from his rights and freedoms!!
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Soooooo...blast and park or spray-paint?
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Soooooo...blast and park or spray-paint?
Blast and park? Spray paint?

I think it qualifies for a brushed on coat of flat latex house paint.
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Blast and park? Spray paint?

I think it qualifies for a brushed on coat of flat latex house paint.
A nice shade of lavender would be nice.

I should not talk I like Red AK's.
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mostly because its homemade
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Soooooo...blast and park or spray-paint?
More like strip it down and throw the receiver in the "burn-barrel" to get the paper off, then dump it into some water for a little hardening, then just some oil.

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Blast and park? Spray paint?

I think it qualifies for a brushed on coat of flat latex house paint.
Only if I can use a broom instead of a brush.

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Only if I can use a broom instead of a brush.

Maybe a garden rake would be more appropriate.
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Try a copper or brass backing (aluminum will work too but not as well) so you can get better penetration on the weld without burning through -

My, "I learned something new..." for the day!!!

Thanks!

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I love the Mad Max appeal it's got going
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You've got me thinking of a contest: first person to make a firearm totally from Dollar General store merchandise, and can kill a woodchuck with it, earns a welding helmet and gauntlet gloves.

R Lee Ermey will be looking you up for an episode of "Locked and Loaded"
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building it is the easy part, the hard part is getting close enough to a woodchuck to bludgeon him to death with it, I doubt anybody would put their face close enough to aim at the woodchuck.
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ByronF, how about if he just scares the CRAP out of the woodchuck with it ?
Would that count ? Or, maybe could it ?
Put this thing in the same class with hand grenades.
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I went to Dollar general today, closest thing I could find to a barrel was a tubular steel broom handle. I do not want to proof test a broom...
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That's awesome! I'm somewhat surprised that other folks are actually following my funky AKoid design. As parts kits get rarer and more expensive, we're eventually all going to be building our own bolts and trunnions. I'd originally planned to put a rear sight on the rear trunnion, and a front sight on the front trunnion; it should be very accurate this way, but I haven't gotten around to building 'em yet.

I like what you've done with the recoil springs: I've *still* got hideous rubber bands on mine! Welding the magazine well certainly looks like a good way to do it. If your receiver's sheet metal is as thin as mine, an aluminum or copper backing plate is definitely recommended.

I'm sure your build will look much better with a little cleanup grinding and flat black spray paint!

I'd never actually seen that book-style presentation of my build. My original build thread is on weaponeer, FYI...
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ok working on my dollar general gun. problem, we have no wood chucks to kill for the test.
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That's awesome! I'm somewhat surprised that other folks are actually following my funky AKoid design.
I like what you've done with the recoil springs: I've *still* got hideous rubber bands on mine! Welding the magazine well certainly looks like a good way to do it. If your receiver's sheet metal is as thin as mine, an aluminum or copper backing plate is definitely recommended.

I'm sure your build will look much better with a little cleanup grinding and flat black spray paint!
Thanks! Wait 'till you see the next one in a couple months, bit further departure from your build, but much more "finished" looking.
This one isn't getting finished with any sorta fancy spray paint or nothin' as it is more of a prototype than anything.
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I'd never actually seen that book-style presentation of my build. My original build thread is on weaponeer, FYI...
Huh, I guess someone stole your work. I went originally from your build on weaponeer, and found the other guide while searching for that thread.
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I like it!!!
It's a damn site better zip gun than any I ever made!
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Holy crap! I like it. Now I have this idea in the back of my mind. Some how I for see some one saying "Hold My Beer and watch this!"


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That's great!

I've got some UZI magazine wells with mag releases - anyone's tackling a build like this, PM me.
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Thanks,
A small update on the .45 one, it had a problem while threading the front trunnion so I went to another receiver design, this one using a 1"square bolt...

Having a magwell with the latch already made would simplify the project a ton...
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Weapons captured from suspected militants are displayed during a seminar on Counter Terrorism Operations organized by the Red Horn Division of the Indian Army, in Rangia, about 50 kilometers (31 miles) west of Gauhati, India, Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009. The seminar was organized to examine the contemporary issues related to the counter insurgency operations in Assam state.
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Dude, that's just awesome. Who cares about what color is ends up. That thing is butt ugly and uber cool. I bow down in your general direction.
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Novel idea, but you're using direct blowback and AK's use a gas system. So personally, I wouldn't classify it as an AK
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Thanks. I expect there to be more builds like this [in the sense that no parts kit was used] as parts kits got ultra expensive recently...
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Novel idea, but you're using direct blowback and AK's use a gas system. So personally, I wouldn't classify it as an AK
The only same things would be the FCG and the receiver style.
Errverything else is different, but it's lineage is closest to the AK...
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Old November 17, 2009, 20:36   #45
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like i said, personally. wasnt trying to be an ass.
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like i said, personally. wasnt trying to be an ass.
I just thought you were pointing something out, not being an ass...

Also, it isn't "completely different" as stated in the thread title, just a slight departure from normal. What would be different would be something like a "blow forward" design, but a mag would be pretty hard to make for that, or maybe it wouldn't. Use a double stack mag and they'd pop right out like it was made for it...
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Send a photo to the guys who make the "Fallout" series of computer games. I bet they will put it in the next one. Almost as cool as a pipe rifle.
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Send a photo to the guys who make the "Fallout" series of computer games. I bet they will put it in the next one. Almost as cool as a pipe rifle.

This could be a possibility. Remember F2? You could get so many real guns in that, including an FAL!
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What happened to this project? I would like to see how it came out.

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