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Derby FALs
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The Bush Rape Story
Is the Media Ignoring Zippergate 2?
by SEAN CARTER

There is a story floating around the Internet that is being ignored by the mainstream press. Normally, this would be a good thing because, le's face it, information from the Internet is about as reliable as an airline's baggage handling department. For instance, just last week, I received another e-mail from someone claiming that Bill Gates would give me all of his money if I forwarded the e-mail to ten friends.

Nevertheless, the story in question is 100% accurate. In fact, anyone with a computer and a modem can verify the story by downloading court documents. However, the accuracy of the story does not seem to be enough for the media. Apparently, this story does not meet its threshold of "responsible journalism."

Fortunately, if you've ever read my column, then you know that I am neither professional nor a journalist. Therefore, I will be happy to break the story for you.

President Bush is being accused of rape. This allegation is part of a lawsuit filed by a Texas woman, Margie Schoedinger. According to the complaint filed on December 3rd in Fort Bend County, Texas, the President and his men are accused of repeatedly kidnapping, drugging and raping Mrs. Schoedinger and possibly her husband.

No, I am not making his up. To be honest, I'm not nearly this creative. If I were, I'd be a novelist and not a humorist.

According to the complaint, in the fall of 2000, three unknown assailants attempted unsuccessfully to kidnap Schoedinger. When she reported the crime to the Sugar Land Police Department (remember, I'm not making this up), she was harassed by the police. She was treated similarly by the FBI. To make matters worse, her bank accounts were frozen, her husband lost his job, her academic records were expunged and she became the subject of 24-hour surveillance.

According to the complaint, this treatment was orchestrated by none of than the President of the United States. Schoedinger claims that Bush is attempting to pressure her into committing suicide. Of course, you may be asking why would the President do such a thing?

Well, according to the plaintiff, she personally asked Bush the very same question. Bush allegedly replied that he is concerned that Schoedinger may remember the numerous and repeated acts of sexual assault he has committed against her and her husband. His original plan was to simply kill the plaintiff. But since he couldnt go through with it, he decided to simply drive her crazy instead.

In her lawsuit, Schoedinger is asking for $50 million for "emotional distress, loss of freedom and ability to pursue Plaintiff's own dreams, alienation of affection from Plaintiff's spouse, loss of privacy, being disparaged on the Internet, and loss of Plaintiff's ability to be a Christian writer."

Now, before you label me as a "crackpot" (although I suspect it's probably too late for that), let me just say that I am somewhat skeptical of the plaintiff's claims in this case. For one, the thought of the President repeatedly abducting a woman to sexual assault her and her husband strikes me as far-fetched. After all, we are talking about President George W. Bush not President Dennis Rodman.

The second clue that perhaps these allegations are unfounded is the fact that the plaintiff filed the complaint "pro se" or without the benefit of an attorney. In America, there are approximately 1 million lawyers, 990,000 of whom are desperately looking for work. The fact that Schoedinger could not find even one lawyer to represent her in this matter may something about the credibility of her claims.

Nevertheless, in my view, this does not absolve the mainstream media from its responsibility to cover the news. This lawsuit is not rumor or innuendo. It's a fact. Sure, the allegations are ridiculous but perhaps no more so than Trent Lott's claims that Strom Thurmond would have made a great president. Yet, the media has had no trouble covering the Lott story incessantly for the last two weeks.

Of course, some would argue that this type of story unnecessarily sullies the President's reputation. This is simply not true. Now, that you've read this story, do you any less respect for the President?

In fact, if a story like this does anything, it actually makes us more sympathetic towards the President. For instance, in the past, I have made fun of Bush's almost daily verbal gaffes. And, of course, I'll continue to do so in the future. But I will feel bad about doing so from now on. After all, if I had women accusing me of raping them and their husbands, perhaps I'd suffer a few lapses in conjugation myself.

In short, the media should have reported the filing of this lawsuit. The media should trust the American people to be able to distinguish the truth from the lies. Now, if you will excuse me, I need to answer this e-mail from an exiled foreign minister in Zaire who is willing to give me $1 million if I help him transfer money from his Swiss bank account.



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possible=yes
credible=no
newsworthy=not even close



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C'mon. In this age of partisan politics, the liberal media establishment would have been all over it if it were true.

They would love nothing better than to discredit Bush and set up an easy Democrap victory for 2004.


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derby, i always thought you needed medication. now i know you do. let me recomend a good friend who is a psychiatrist. maybe you and the crazy woman can get a group plan.

ok ok, just teasing. when someone makes such an unreasonable assertion as the testimony in this case, it is a clear indication that their grasp on reality is slipping. i think we should all stop laughing at this woman and start sending her some of our spare haldol.


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Ft. Bend County, Texas, is just outside Houston.

Plenty of nutcases in that town.


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It does seem odd that no one has reported it.


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No one has reported the Martians landing in Chicago either, must be a cover-up.

TIN-FOIL ON……



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quote:
Originally posted by Max Mike
No one has reported the Martians landing in Chicago either, must be a cover-up.

TIN-FOIL ON……



As if that was even related. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?



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The story has been reported, I 1st saw it on Fox News.


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Hey

Sean
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Nevertheless, the story in question is 100% accurate. In fact, anyone with a computer and a modem can verify the story by downloading court documents. However, the accuracy of the story does not seem to be enough for the media. Apparently, this story does not meet its threshold of "responsible journalism."
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Tell us about Texas Oil and Energy on the Market would you please.

Is this also real.

Goin' home late last night,
Suddenly I got a fright
Yeah, I looked through a window and surprise what I saw:
Fairy boots are dancin' with a dwarf
All Right Now!

Yeah Fairies wear boots, and you gotta believe me
Yeah, I saw it, I saw it I tell you no lies
Yeah Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes
Woah Right Now!

Yeah Fairies wear boots, and you gotta believe me
Yeah, I saw it, I saw it I tell you no lies
Yeah Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes
Alright Now!

So I went to the doctor, see what he could give me
He said, "Son, son you've gone too far,
" 'Cos smokin' an trippin' is all that you do." Yeah




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I suspect this would fall under the same category as all of the 100's of threats against the president that go unreported.

The secret service investigates, and the ones that need follow-up get it otherwise, they chalk it up to someone who is ticked at the world and has too much time on their hands.

Just my opinion


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Derby;

Maybe the reason why no lawyer will touch it is its not credible and no lawyer wants to get laughed out of the courtroom.

Bush is not my favorite prez., but if this is the kind of stuff you need to post to keep up your 'bash-a-Bush' daily thread count, don't bother.

What you need to do is sit down, and breath slowly into a paper bag. Its only two more years, and you'll get to vote for the guy who you think is better (I'm guessing Lyndon LaRouche).

Pathetic and idiotic. Remember this is The Fal Files. What you want is this:

The Democratic Underground

There are many people there, who think just like you!



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quote:
Originally posted by Derby FALs
The Clinton Rape Story


Ex President Clinton is being accused of rape. This allegation is part of a lawsuit filed by a Arkansas woman, Jennifer Flower's. According to the complaint filed on December 3rd in Little Rock County, Arkansas, the President and his men are accused of repeatedly kidnapping, drugging and raping Miss. Flower's and possibly her Boyfriend.

No, I am not making his up. To be honest, I'm not nearly this creative. If I were, I'd be a novelist and not a humorist.

According to the complaint, in the fall of 1998, three unknown assailants attempted unsuccessfully to kidnap Flower's. When she reported the crime to the Little Rock Police Department (remember, I'm not making this up), she was harassed by the police. She was treated similarly by the FBI. To make matters worse, her bank accounts were frozen, her husband lost his job, her academic records were expunged and she became the subject of 24-hour surveillance.

According to the complaint, this treatment was orchestrated by none of than the Ex President of the United States. Flower's claims that Clinton is attempting to pressure her into committing suicide. Of course, you may be asking why would the Ex President do such a thing?

Well, according to the plaintiff, she personally asked Clinton the very same question. Clinton allegedly replied that he is concerned that Flower's may remember the numerous and repeated acts of sexual assault he has committed against her and her Boyfriend. His original plan was to simply kill the plaintiff. But since he couldnt go through with it, he decided to simply drive her crazy instead.

In her lawsuit, Flower's is asking for $50 million for "emotional distress, loss of freedom and ability to pursue Plaintiff's own dreams, alienation of affection from Plaintiff's boyfriend, loss of privacy, being disparaged on the Internet, and loss of Plaintiff's ability to be a Christian writer."

Now, before you label me as a "crackpot" (although I suspect it's probably too late for that), let me just say that I am somewhat skeptical of the plaintiff's claims in this case. For one, the thought of the Ex President repeatedly abducting a woman to sexual assault her and her Boy friend strikes me as far-fetched. After all, we are talking about Ex President Willam Jefferson Clinton not President Dennis Rodman.

The second clue that perhaps these allegations are unfounded is the fact that the plaintiff filed the complaint "pro se" or without the benefit of an attorney. In America, there are approximately 1 million lawyers, 990,000 of whom are desperately looking for work. The fact that Flower's could not find even one lawyer to represent her in this matter may something about the credibility of her claims.

Nevertheless, in my view, this does not absolve the mainstream media from its responsibility to cover the news. This lawsuit is not rumor or innuendo. It's a fact. Sure, the allegations are ridiculous but perhaps no more so than Trent Lott's claims that Strom Thurmond would have made a great president. Yet, the media has had no trouble covering the Lott story incessantly for the last two weeks.

Of course, some would argue that this type of story unnecessarily sullies the President's reputation. This is simply not true. Now, that you've read this story, do you any less respect for the President?

In fact, if a story like this does anything, it actually makes us more sympathetic towards the President. For instance, in the past, I have made fun of Clinton's almost daily Sexual gaffes. And, of course, I'll continue to do so in the future. But I will feel bad about doing so from now on. After all, if I had women accusing me of raping them and their boyfriend's, perhaps I'd suffer a few lapses in conjugation myself.

In short, the media should have reported the filing of this lawsuit. The media should trust the American people to be able to distinguish the truth from the lies. Now, if you will excuse me, I need to answer this e-mail from an exiled foreign minister in Zaire who is willing to give me $1 million if I help him transfer money from his Swiss bank account.



The Clinton Version ^^^^^^^^^^^

LOL
Isn't the internet a great source of info, I guess if you can read it . It must be true...........
I think this version is much more along the lines of the truth....hehehe


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Derby, do you REALLY believe that the lamestream media would miss a chance like this to destroy Bush?

This woman's claim is so incredible that she is representing herself in couurt. She couldn't even find a shyster lawyer to represent her!


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quote:
Originally posted by kidao35
What you need to do is sit down, and breath slowly into a paper bag. Its only two more years, and you'll get to vote for the guy who you think is better (I'm guessing Lyndon LaRouche).



I don't think even Derby would vote for LaRouche if he met him. I represented him in the early 80's for a while. Weird!


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quote:
Originally posted by mauser_wsm270


Is this also real.

Goin' home late last night,
Suddenly I got a fright
Yeah, I looked through a window and surprise what I saw:
Fairy boots are dancin' with a dwarf
All Right Now!

Yeah Fairies wear boots, and you gotta believe me
Yeah, I saw it, I saw it I tell you no lies
Yeah Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes
Woah Right Now!

Yeah Fairies wear boots, and you gotta believe me
Yeah, I saw it, I saw it I tell you no lies
Yeah Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes
Alright Now!

So I went to the doctor, see what he could give me
He said, "Son, son you've gone too far,
" 'Cos smokin' an trippin' is all that you do." Yeah




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Wasn't George a little busy running for the White House around that time ? Also, wasn't he pretty much under the microscope from the moment it looked like he was even considering running ? Hard to believe his opponents from any party, including his own, would have missed an opportunity to beat him up with a juicy scandal.


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It is pretty ridiculous. Seems FOX was the only network to even report it.


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Gee Whiz, Derby have you taken EM's place? Are you practicing for the Enquirer? If, so keep it down there! Peace! It must be a full moon!


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Derby, I feel for you. It is too bad that 90% of the people replying to this post lack the reading comprehension to understand what it is you are saying. I've read every reply and it saddens me to no end to see how public schools have failed Americans.

I do see your point, however, and it really shoots a hole into the "liberal" press argument. The press is not "liberal." Indeed it is "establishment." They are just pawns of the ruling aristocracy who own them. Terms such as "liberal" and "conservative" really have no meaning anyway in today's society. The party of two heads fights a valiant mock-battle every day in one of the rings the "establishment" media circus. It's all just the petty squabbling of the leaders deciding who gets to chew on which bone next and really hides the fact that the Demopublican party IS the establishment. The portion that rides the tip of the wave gets the good press while those who shake the boat get bad press as punishment for not following the lead of the "establishment."

Clinton had a very mild anti-establishment bug up his butt from time to time. The media punished him for it but never dug down deep enough to topple him from his seat of power. If he actually did anything to really piss off the powers-that-be then he would have been history faster than you could say Chinagate. Instead we got an OJ-type media blitz about cigars and stained dresses. Here come the elephants followed by a car filled with clowns! Don't mind the men behind the curtain!

Again, for all the little boys and girls who could not read all the big words in Derby's post. BUSH DID NOT RAPE THAT WOMAN. The news isn't about Bushie sodomizing some crazy Texas family (redundant) but instead that some crazy Texas family is trying to sue the president for such an outrageously impossible and laughably implausible offense. THAT IS NEWS> IT IS FUNNY AS WELL AS NEWSWORTHY> THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! Why wasn't it printed or aired very much? Why was it not picked up? If you still don't know or understand the answer to that then read the above paragraphs again until you do.

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While it may be true that there is a lawsuit filed, that would be the only truth.
The big giveaway is, "Schoedinger claims that Bush is attempting to pressure her into committing suicide. Of course, you may be asking why would the President do such a thing?

Well, according to the plaintiff, she personally asked Bush the very same question. Bush allegedly replied that he is concerned that Schoedinger may remember the numerous and repeated acts of sexual assault he has committed against her and her husband.
"

I don't know about anybody else, but I don't believe you can just call George up and ask him questions. He's been kinda busy with all this president stuff and the elites don't really take calls from the peons.

The press probably looked at it and realized that even they couldn't run with such garbage.

Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true.

BTW, shouldn't this be in the Conspiracy or DB section?

Tom


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oh God, another email story that simply "must" be true


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That this post should not have been made, 500 times on the black board.


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Schoedinger is listed as her own legal representative.

I just wonder how she will get along with the Judge in his chambers.



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quote:
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Goin' home late last night,
Suddenly I got a fright
Yeah, I looked through a window and surprise what I saw:
Fairy boots are dancin' with a dwarf
All Right Now!

Yeah Fairies wear boots, and you gotta believe me
Yeah, I saw it, I saw it I tell you no lies
Yeah Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes
Woah Right Now!

Yeah Fairies wear boots, and you gotta believe me
Yeah, I saw it, I saw it I tell you no lies
Yeah Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it I saw it with my own two eyes
Alright Now!

So I went to the doctor, see what he could give me
He said, "Son, son you've gone too far,
" 'Cos smokin' an trippin' is all that you do." Yeah






I once saw a modern dance piece done to that tune. The dancer/choreographer was a gay man wearing enormous hiking boots. It is the only bit of dance, modern or otherwise, that I have ever seen which included a piano player with a (real) Remington 870 concealed in his baby grand. Pretty funny. It certainly took the very liberal audience by surprise.



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If that judge has a brain in his head then he wouldn't let her in without at least 3 female witness at all times. God, this whole lawsuit is bad news. I wonder what the real story behind this is. Is this just a cuckoo or perhaps someone with a brain who is trying to create a commotion. I guess with the press we have in North America we will never get the opportunity to see for ourselves, much less be allowed to make such decisions on our own.

Jim - FALunga - laughing at you. Yes you! You know who you are.


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The title of that story should have been "Around The Bend In Fort Bend"

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Falunga, you should join her in a class action suit. Then you would get the straight dope about this deal!


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Derby,
I've done business with ya, I've read your stuff, I've even questioned many of your posts. I do not remember any questions that were asked to our last known president- who had less morals than any sanke- either way, this president has never been presented as perfect. I do prefer my kids to not learn sexual freeedom choices from our president,'

And I'd like my kids to accept truth from GWB, an acciident may be accepted, a lifestyle (by our leader should not).

Would you be happy if Al gore was Prez?

If not- who would you be happy with?
Who and what would you accept! I would not accept someone who is not major. I must admit- I prefer someone who is accepted cannot win, so therefore any independent.

If otherwise- your vote cancels mine! And I guess you are proud Bill Clinton was YOUR PRESIDENT/ I hope you are proud.

I hope you are happy, we lost more than you admit by Bush losing. If you voted for someone other than Bush, you caused my losses- not me/ yours. I bet you see Hitler was a better choice than Bush.

We are free to leave the country we are so bad. We must go to the best- oh, I am there. Come visit when you get vacation in your promosed land. We have a country many wish to come to. Even if they must try so hard.
This country must not be where you want to be! I must owe an apology. 0ops- I am here, you go to your dream. Tell me of your dream place, and tell me of the place who must protect it's borders. Sorry, this place is terrible.


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quote:
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Derby,
I've done business with ya, I've read your stuff, I've even questioned many of your posts. I do not remember any questions that were asked to our last known president- who had less morals than any sanke- either way, this president has never been presented as perfect. I do prefer my kids to not learn sexual freeedom choices from our president,'

And I'd like my kids to accept truth from GWB, an acciident may be accepted, a lifestyle (by our leader should not).

Would you be happy if Al gore was Prez?

If not- who would you be happy with?
Who and what would you accept! I would not accept someone who is not major. I must admit- I prefer someone who is accepted cannot win, so therefore any independent.

If otherwise- your vote cancels mine! And I guess you are proud Bill Clinton was YOUR PRESIDENT/ I hope you are proud.

I hope you are happy, we lost more than you admit by Bush losing. If you voted for someone other than Bush, you caused my losses- not me/ yours. I bet you see Hitler was a better choice than Bush.

We are free to leave the country we are so bad. We must go to the best- oh, I am there. Come visit when you get vacation in your promosed land. We have a country many wish to come to. Even if they must try so hard.
This country must not be where you want to be! I must owe an apology. 0ops- I am here, you go to your dream. Tell me of your dream place, and tell me of the place who must protect it's borders. Sorry, this place is terrible.



First off. This thread has nothing to do about George W Bush's morals. It is about a mentally unbalanced woman that has filed charges that are too insane to be believable, in a court of law, against GWB. The fact that mainstream media is not covering it is what is in question here.

There was a fine candidate running against Bush and Clinton. You may have heard of him. His name is Ron Paul. He is one of the few on Capitol Hill that really stands for freedom. Third party candidates can win if you are willing to vote for freedom.

If I had been around this board when Clinton was Prez I would have been asking plenty of questions and everyone would have assumed I was a Republican. I question Bush and everyone assumes I'm a Democrat. How can you think that Gore would be acceptable to me when you see the things I question about Bush? They are no different to me. Either way we are getting screwed. I reckon you canceled my vote for Liberty on the last three elections, at least.

Ruby Ridge was under the Bush Administration. Was that resolved to your liking? Clinton and Reno get blamed for Waco but that was all planned under the Bush Administration. Clinton had only been in office two weeks and that investigation was a lot older than that. We can blame them for the escalation. I don't see Hitler as a better choice than GWB but I do see similarities. Look how the tragedy of the WTC is being used to further erode our liberties. Very similar to Hitler after the Reichstag burned. No, I am not blaming GWB for the WTC. Don't even go there.

I am where I want to be. I dream of this country getting back on track and I think deep down so do you. It sure isn't going to do that as long as gun owners vote for Republican instead of Liberty!



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,... hell,... I think he did it,...

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,... I mean,... if you're screwin' a whole country,.. what's one more woman?,...

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The real reason it's not being reported by the mainstream media is because they're scared the Dem's will lose votes!

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The real reason it's not being reported by the mainstream media is because they're scared the Dem's will lose votes!

jd1



How so?


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If I had been around this board when Clinton was Prez I would have been asking plenty of questions and everyone would have assumed I was a Republican. I question Bush and everyone assumes I'm a Democrat.



The questions to ask would be about Little Rock UPI Statehouse Bureau reporter Judy Danielak, shot in the head by a *sniper* with a .357 magnum pistol while driving home in North Little Rock a few months after Juanita Broaddrick's rape at the Little Rock Doubletree Hotel.

After then recently sworn-in Governor Clinton's public statement about the *senseless tragedy of this random victim's death* the investigation all fell in line, and earlier leads being pursued were dropped. Though several other shootings followed, in none of the others was anyone hit, and different weapons were used in each incident.

The statute of limitations has long passed on Juanita Broaddrick's rape, but there is no statute of limitations under Arkansas law for the murder of Judy Danielak, and the killer could still be convicted and executed.


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The killers are dead. Supposedly they were the ATF agents that died at Waco. You remember the two that went in the upstairs window and the agent on the roof pitched a grenade in right after them? Former Arkansas State Troopers.


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quote:
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I am where I want to be. I dream of this country getting back on track and I think deep down so do you. It sure isn't going to do that as long as gun owners vote for Republican instead of Liberty!



I understand your dismay, but I understand also the grief I felt, and the knowledge our kids learned about oral sex because many voted against a PARTY THAT COULD HAVE WON, and these votedagainst Bush. So who really lost? Did you or I benefit by Bill Clinton winning? Maybe we have all given up too much with current politicians (including all since Ronald Reagan) but how did those supporting a losing candidate help me?) on Paul or other "known to lose" candidates may make you feel good, but how did allowing Bill Clinton to win help me? Ross Perot was a loser, and always will be. Ron Paul is a loser also! How can supporting a loser by allowing the bigger danger to WIN help my freedoms? Thanks to those who wanted to help me for electing Bill Clinton. Voting for a known loser does not help my rights. I appreciate your morals, I accept you are against my well-being as you help elect my enemies. But I fail to understand how you gain by helping to elect a known enemy. If it makes you feel good, how long does that feeling last before you see the monster created is of greater danger than the one you helped defeat?

I too am where I want to be. I also must realize- your enemy is my enemy. But, somehow we need to not all lose. If you fight me, we allow the enemy to win- and have done so. The enemy ain't the republicans, I'd be your friend. But we have a common enemy!


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Derby, I'll bet that you read those emails promising that Bill Gates is going to send you a bazillion dollars and then forward them to everyone in your address book, don't you?

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I understand your dismay, but I understand also the grief I felt, and the knowledge our kids learned about oral sex because many voted against a PARTY THAT COULD HAVE WON, and these votedagainst Bush. So who really lost? Did you or I benefit by Bill Clinton winning? Maybe we have all given up too much with current politicians (including all since Ronald Reagan) but how did those supporting a losing candidate help me?) on Paul or other "known to lose" candidates may make you feel good, but how did allowing Bill Clinton to win help me? Ross Perot was a loser, and always will be. Ron Paul is a loser also! How can supporting a loser by allowing the bigger danger to WIN help my freedoms? Thanks to those who wanted to help me for electing Bill Clinton. Voting for a known loser does not help my rights. I appreciate your morals, I accept you are against my well-being as you help elect my enemies. But I fail to understand how you gain by helping to elect a known enemy. If it makes you feel good, how long does that feeling last before you see the monster created is of greater danger than the one you helped defeat?

I too am where I want to be. I also must realize- your enemy is my enemy. But, somehow we need to not all lose. If you fight me, we allow the enemy to win- and have done so. The enemy ain't the republicans, I'd be your friend. But we have a common enemy!



This is the type of stone headed reasoning which keeps the status quo firmly entrenched.

At this point, It just doesn't matter which party gets elected. Yeah,.. Clinton is a scumbag who preyed on the little girls running around the Capital,... and any other woman that he could drag out of a trailer. But what replaced him? Some 40 watt bulb who is a toadie for what ever power that be that happens to be in place at the time. Someone who couldn't fabricate a workable economic plan for the country if his golf cart depended on it. Someone who refers to Ariel Sharon as a "man of peace". Someone who spends years orchestrating a war against an opponent so that it will occur just in time for his ratings to be up come campaign time. (providing that his ineptitude doesn't kick off WW3) Someone who wipes his butt on the Bill of Rights and has the unmitigated gall to refer to it as "The Patriot Act".

One rich, elite, lying son of a bitch replaces the last rich, elite, lying son of a bitch. I've been slapped in the face and called a fool ENOUGH! I'm ready to vote for the first man who looks me in the eye and tells me the truth about his plans and agenda,... and at this point,.. I don't give a damn what it is,... just as long as it's the truth.

The fine people of this fine nation need a "REPRESENTATIVE",.. we've had enough masters.


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If it makes you feel good, how long does that feeling last before you see the monster created is of greater danger than the one you helped defeat?


Back at you!

Read my lips. Bush 41 had his own policies and lies to blame for defeat. If he had been credible and a supporter of Liberty he could have had my vote.

I say you lose as long as you vote for the "Lesser Danger". And what a pitiful way to vote it is. You get the "Patriot Act", "Homeland Security Act", "Total Information Awareness" just to start. Ron Paul isn't a "loser" in my eyes as long as he has his integrity. A "loser" is someone that elects the "lesser evil" and is willing to settle for it.


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A "loser" is someone that elects the "lesser evil" and is willing to settle for it.



*Stompin my feet, clappin my hands, and loudly, obnoxiously, shouting out*

!HEAR, HEAR!

Ron Paul has more integrity in his pinky toe than a coupla dozen members of Congress taken as a whole. He realizes that he's stickin' his fist up his butt by saying what he does,... he also knows that it's proper to say it,... so he does it anyway. Anyone who calls him a loser has gotten too used to waving the white flag.


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One rich, elite, lying son of a bitch replaces the last rich, elite, lying son of a bitch. I've been slapped in the face and called a fool ENOUGH! I'm ready to vote for the first man who looks me in the eye and tells me the truth about his plans and agenda,... and at this point,.. I don't give a damn what it is,... just as long as it's the truth.



I think that's why people voted for Carter. He said "I will never lie to you." I don't know whether he did or not, but he was not an effective President.



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There's a lot to be said for not being an "effective" president.

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There's a lot to be said for not being an "effective" president.


Sure, but whether or not we agree with that statement depends on our political views. By the time people reach a certain age, their beliefs are in place and they're not going to change. If a politician comes along and tells people what they want to hear, whether it's Ron Paul, Bill Clinton, or Ronald Reagan, they're convinced it's the truth.



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Sure, but whether or not we agree with that statement depends on our political views. By the time people reach a certain age, their beliefs are in place and they're not going to change. If a politician comes along and tells people what they want to hear, whether it's Ron Paul, Bill Clinton, or Ronald Reagan, they're convinced it's the truth.



When a politician, such as Ron Paul, tells me things that I can verify through other sources,.. openly stating things which will make him the enemy of those who throw great funding into Congress, thereby making his career an uphill battle,..when there's no possible way that he can personally benifit from them,.. I tend to listen.

The truth often hurts,...and in Congress, it'll hurt those who choose to make it known.


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i dont believe it, bush don't strike me as the high lobido type.

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Here's an example of Ron Pauls thoughts on a topic.

Why doesn't Congress demand that the Constitution be followed and require that a war be declared through Congress?

Because Congress is full of cowards who are more concerned with their political viability than they are the Constitution.

Do you think that Ron Paul made any friends in Congress by stating the following?

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2002/tst101402.htm


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Hey man, Ozzy said it, I belive it, and thats that.



The bitch set him up!


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Another VERY good read which relates to the discussion at hand.

I'm gonna write this man in for president.

http://www.sobran.com/reluctant.shtml


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