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Old January 22, 2011, 01:53   #1
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WA state Shooters!!

So, if you are a WA you probably know... if not well.

In the wonderful workers paradise of WA state, we are allowed to own a federally regulated suppressor, but it is unlawful to place it on a firearm and fire it. Kind of pointless. Anyways up for hearing is a bill to change it.

If you have any way of being there in support, it would be great. This bill gets introduced every year, but this year we actually have some traction.

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1.SB 5112 - Changing restrictions on firearm noise suppressors.
2.SB 5115 - Concerning private transfer fee obligations. (Hearing is on the Proposed Substitute.)
3.SB 5170 - Increasing the number of judges to be elected in Grant county.
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Old January 24, 2011, 01:07   #2
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If you own the suppressor with the proper paperwork you can use it as well.
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Old January 24, 2011, 22:35   #3
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If you own the suppressor with the proper paperwork you can use it as well.
Yup, as long as you are not within the borders of Washington State that is. It is legal to own, it is legal to place on a firearm, but it is ILLEGAL to discharge a firearm with a suppressor attached.
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Supressors are Federal law. Doesend Federal law superseed state law?

Thats why I never understood the gun laws? The 2nd Amendment is a Federal Law and it makes owning a gun legal. How can the State over ride that?

In California marijuana is legal but it's illegal by Federal law and the federal law stands.

Oh well we did it to ourselves.

I wish someone would explain this to me.
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Old January 26, 2011, 00:01   #5
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Yup, as long as you are not within the borders of Washington State that is. It is legal to own, it is legal to place on a firearm, but it is ILLEGAL to discharge a firearm with a suppressor attached.
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Old January 26, 2011, 01:26   #6
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Yep! Sorry JR.

RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons Penalty Exemption for law enforcement officers.


(1) Every person who:

(a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.
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Old January 26, 2011, 02:26   #7
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The statute is a tack on charge to a crime committed with the use of a "contrivance or device" not a registered suppressor. I know several owners, police and private indiduals, who use them with no worry from any agency from arrest.

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For there to be a crime you must have three elements.

a party must demonstrate

(1) that it has sustained a distinct and palpable injury,
(2) that the injury was caused by the challenged conduct, and
(3) that the injury is apt to be redressed by a remedy the court is prepared to give.

Try and figure out where the mere use of a registered suppressor falls in any of these category's.
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The statute is a tack on charge to a crime committed with the use of a "contrivance or device" not a registered suppressor. I know several owners, police and private indiduals, who use them with no worry from any agency from arrest.
Thanks JR for cluing me in, I didn't see the part in the statue where it says it's a "tack on charge". I also didn't understand that "any contrivance or device" did not include a federally registered suppressor. I did know the part about LEO's, it's in the next paragraph. I still haven't been able to find the part about "private individuals". But like most laws in the Revised Code Washington, it is poorly written. As far as you next post, its been 30+ years since I took a beginning law class but I believe the injured party in this case is the "state".

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Old January 26, 2011, 16:46   #10
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I believe the injured party in this case is the "state".

"that it has sustained a distinct and palpable injury."

You'd be wrong again. The state, according to the Washington constitution, is the people.

It's ok, your as ignorant as most people so don't feel singled out.

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Update from another forum from somebody who was there:
Quote:It seemed good. No one was in opposition.
Roach asked some questions, hopefully she is changing her mind.
Mike Carrell seemed in favor.

On the House side it has been placed on the suspension calendar and should move right thruogh.
Just waiting to see the executive action taken by the Senate.
If this goes to a vote, PLEASE contact your Senators and ask them to support this.

Today was a good step forward.

"Suspension Calendar" is good -- from the WA legislature site:
Quote:The Rules Committee decides which bills will be scheduled for second reading. Those bills that will probably require some debate are placed on the regular calendar. Those that are probably not controversial may be placed on the suspension calendar in the House

In other words, it is scheduled for a second reading, and isn't expected to be considered controversial. This is a very positive sign.
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The statute is a tack on charge to a crime committed with the use of a "contrivance or device" not a registered suppressor. I know several owners, police and private indiduals, who use them with no worry from any agency from arrest.
Well I'm certainly not going to show up at a match with one.... I don't have enough for lawyer fees to dis-prove the common interpretation...
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Silencers are illegal to use in WA. That is why they are trying to get the law changed.

RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons Penalty Exemption for law enforcement officers.


(1) Every person who:

(a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

(2) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to:

(a) The possession of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer while the officer:

(i) Is on official duty; or

(ii) Is transporting the knife to or from the place where the knife is stored when the officer is not on official duty; or

(b) The storage of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer.
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"that it has sustained a distinct and palpable injury."

You'd be wrong again. The state, according to the Washington constitution, is the people.

It's ok, your as ignorant as most people so don't feel singled out.
I told you it had been 30+ years. I'm ignorant about a lot of things but I'm not too old to learn.

Of course the people, through their elected officials passed that law.

I'd like your opinion of Title 9.41.050 (concealed carry in a vehicle). Many LEOs and a CJ professor at CWU don't seem to understand what it says.

I don't know what part of Washington you're in but if you are now or ever happen to be in the lower Yakima Valley/Tri-Cities area, PM and I'll buy you a beer or three.
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Do you want to know how many individuals have ever been convicted under this statute for using a registered suppressor in Washington?



















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Old January 27, 2011, 00:17   #16
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Anyone can come out to the shop and I'll fire a pistol/rifle with a suppressor on it and you can videotape it for "evidence".

I'll admit right now that I've done it so many times I have lost count. I am also going to do it again, and again.

I await on bended knee for my arrest and incarceration.

My act of civil disobedience.

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Looking good so far.

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Supressors are Federal law. Doesend Federal law superseed state law?

Thats why I never understood the gun laws? The 2nd Amendment is a Federal Law and it makes owning a gun legal. How can the State over ride that?

In California marijuana is legal but it's illegal by Federal law and the federal law stands.

Oh well we did it to ourselves.

I wish someone would explain this to me.

Someone answer this for me.

I really want to know and I think I am right.

It shouldn't but untill we stand against it Federal Law for now over rides state law.

Alaska was going to test it but I haven't heard anything yet.
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