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Old July 02, 2007, 14:16   #1
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Thumbs up Bulgarian 7.62x25 ammo??

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Anyone used any of the Bulgarian 7.62x25 ammo made in the 50s? Its on sale with Centurey this month. I am thinking of getting a Cz52 and some of this ammo. Yes? No? Maybe?

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Old July 02, 2007, 14:46   #2
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Old Sarge:

I have not used any of it. So take this with a grain of salt!

I have seen several post on the net stating anything from it was loaded hot for sub gun use. To the quality control is hit or miss and some rounds have been known to crack a slide in the 52's. Mind you I have know personal knowledge of this nor was Century ammo ever mentioned. But what I read was about Bulg 7.62x25 ammo in general. I can not confirm this. It's just stuff I have seen in the past. I am trying to remember which sites I saw the remarks on. I know I read more than one caution about it. If I find it I will let you know.


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Old July 02, 2007, 15:05   #3
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Old Sarge: Below is some info I found on the Bulg 7.62x25 ammo. Again I have no first hand info on this ammo. I have read more than a few bad remarks on it but I have also seen post from folks that liked it. Guess it is a bit like the Wolf 308 reports?

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To quote (and see http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/bad.htm):

I received confirmation of the test results obtained by Accurate with regard to the surplus Bulgarian ammunition that was submitted for further testing. The results are rather alarming in that the average pressure of the tested rounds was recorded at 46,000 c.u.p. with rounds spiking as high as 55,000 c.u.p. during these tests. The highest pressures that were recorded exceed the pressure limitations of most handgun designs. In fact, these pressures are close to the range of pressures often reserved for proof-loads.

Continued use of this ammunition in any auto-loading pistol will eventually result in catastrophic structural failure and cause irreparable damage to the pistol.

This ammunition will destroy weaker designs such as the TT-33 or the C-96. Fortunately, the incidents reported to date only involve use with the stronger CZ-52 pistols and no serious injuries have resulted from its use.

All stocks of this ammunition should be recalled and destroyed because it poses a significant threat to the safety of the average firearms enthusiast or firearms owner who might be oblivious to the dangerous nature of this lot of surplus ammunition. Additionally, metallurgical testing indicates that the ductile and elastic properties of the case material are less than ideal which further complicates this issue. This ammunition is definitely the cause of the mysterious blow-ups that have been reported by several CZ-52 owners.

The metallurgy of the "after market" stainless steel barrels, original barrels, and the CZ pistols is adequate to withstand the stresses generated by firing standard pressure ammunition.


Whatever the exact cause, the evidence indicates that this ammunition is unreliable and dangerous. If you have any of this ammunition, Do Not Shoot It. Trash it or part it out and save the bullets. It might be safe to ditch the powder and reload the cases with a known light load, but I would consider even this to be unwise given the possibility that the problems might involve aged or just plain crappy brass. My recommendation for reloaders-- if you choose to salvage ANYTHING, salvage only the bullets.
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Old July 02, 2007, 19:42   #4
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I believe the above post was in reference to a specific lot number of ammo that came in a few years back.
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Old July 02, 2007, 20:21   #5
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I have used Bulgarian 7.62X25 mm ammo for over TEN years with a CZ-52. The ammo works fine HOWEVER, all the CZ-52 I have ever fired ALWAYS shot low.
If you can live with that, there should be no problem...
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Old July 02, 2007, 20:55   #6
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The last time that I chronographed any Bulgarian 7.62x25mm ammo (headstamp with star at top, 3 on left, 10 on right and 53 at bottom) was some 1953 dated stuff fired in 2000.

Ten rounds averaged 1583 fps instrumental at eight feet out of a CZ-52...

That's moving right along...

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Old July 02, 2007, 23:27   #7
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Found the article:

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Old July 02, 2007, 23:33   #8
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By the way, and not to make light of the potential danger here, but don't tell Clark about this ammo. He'll be picking some of it up and adding more powder to shoot in his much stronger Tokarev TT-33 pistols...



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Old July 02, 2007, 23:57   #9
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The Cz52 pistol was designed for their ammo... the original magnum velocity semi-auto.
Buy Czech ammo for it. HOT!
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Old July 03, 2007, 14:36   #10
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just bought a 52
I see 3 choices for ammo
Romanian, Bulgarian and Polish, which is better?
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I've run about 500rnds through my CZ52, and it shoots great. Recoil feels a little less than a 9mm. Watch out for the brass though

Where are you finding Romy and Polish? Better prices than Bulgy?
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Old July 03, 2007, 15:29   #12
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I don't know what the Bulg ammo is going for or if this is a better price. But FWIW I saw Aim had advertised Rom for 119.95 for 1224 rds of 1980's stuff on their site. Keep in mind they add shipping and I didn't check to see if they still had it in stock.


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I've run about 500rnds through my CZ52, and it shoots great. Recoil feels a little less than a 9mm. Watch out for the brass though

Where are you finding Romy and Polish? Better prices than Bulgy?
Centerfire has polish, and AIM has romanian

Romanian is non-corrosive, so probably a good deal
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Centerfire has polish, and AIM has romanian

Romanian is non-corrosive, so probably a good deal
Is the Romanian really non-corrosive?

I have shot the Polish ammo and it's good stuff...

But I'm also sure that it's corrosive.

I would have thought that the Romanian stuff was corrosive too.

But I have been wrong before...



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Old July 03, 2007, 21:56   #15
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AIM claims it is clean, but I suppose that doesnt exactly mean NC
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Old July 04, 2007, 10:51   #16
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I picked up some Bulgarian at a show when I bought my '52. Clocked nearly 1650 fps! Nasty to shoot and seriously loud. Brass went to mach 3, too

The price AIM has is a good deal. I remember buying Yugo from Dan's years ago when it wasn't too popular or available. A couple bux more; but S&B was $8.50+ per 50 then, so all around a good deal. THis is ? still the same stuff that they had sitting in Customs for a couple years. When it first hit the store it was way higher. after the glut wore of.. or isit 'on'?, it went back to reasonable case-lot prices.

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Century has the Bulgarian for $64.00 pre can of 800. But I don't see it as worth the risk of blowing up the gun. The Polish or Romaninan may be the ticket.

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Old July 04, 2007, 23:17   #18
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I have cases of Polish from the 50s that all fires but varies from 1450 to 1550 fps.

I have Czech that fires 80% of the time, but always does 1550 fps if it fires.

My handloads with Power Pistol S&B brass and wsp primers is much hotter and is for Tokarevs only.
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Old July 05, 2007, 16:52   #19
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Romanian 7.62x25 IS CORROSIVE. I shot some in a CZ52, couldn't clean it for 2 days cleaned it... twice... and still wound up with some minor pitting.

NOT happy.

I get a couple of little cracks starting at the neck, if I had one of the cases I would take a pic, but no pic... sorry.

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