EMP update

[TenTea]

Originally Posted by Exit308

It was just a thought. One more possibility.
Messicans are another threat, but they will also be affected by an EMP in the U.S.

Maybe the great border wall will act as a giant Faraday cage and protect one side or the other from Little Kim's destructive forces...or not.

[C2A1]

Well, it has been said in public now.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...D=ansmsnnews11
If you look at the weight of the satellites they lunched and this test. Yepper, they put what they need at 200 miles over Kansas.
Headed to a meeting with DHS and Dr. Pry next week.
Briefing a couple of years ago, laid out the Chinese long range goals (20y). Food is a main issue. And yes they want what we and Canada have. Have you noticed they have been buying up seed companies globally. Just bought the last one here in the last few months. Dirty deal as it was a bait and switch with the Chinese national bank behind the curtain.
But first they have to basicly get us out of the way. They have no problem with writing off our debt if we are out of the picture (military cheap solution). The back room player is India.

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by Exit308

It was just a thought. One more possibility.
Messicans are another threat, but they will also be affected by an EMP in the U.S.

I fully agree!
With chubs now able to hit whole of the country, and with both China and Russia supporting chubs for decades, I pray that Trump has explained to both China and Russia, that if we go down, they are going with us!
Anyone that threatens 90% of our population with death, anyone that is friends with them, supports them, are our mortal enemy as well.
Dust off MAD.

[hueyville]

Originally Posted by yellowhand

If everything fails, and everything put away runs dry, stops running, we are back in the hunter gatherer time and circumstances until such time as the great die out occurs, then people will go back to the plow and horses, water powered mills for cutting lumber, and slowly building it all back up.
(Trim)
Everything we're discussing here, well pretty much, is simply going over how to mitigate the danger of death to ourselves and our families, until such time as the world is quiet and peaceful enough, to harness horses to plows, after we break the horses to pull a plow and make/forge a horse drawn plow.

Ya can't plant a garden, tend a field of corn/barley/oats/cattle, if you're holding an AR and standing guard over your family while the world around ya goes ape shit.

Its why starvation always goes hand in hand with warfare.
Along with the other three horses of the end times fame.

Beans, water and bullets, lots of bullets.
And a lot of pure luck.

One thing I have put back that very few do is a variety of steam engine governors and magnetos. Have two motorcycles that run off magnetos and spares packed away. All have to do is find any steel pressure vessel and can create a steam engine to turn a DC motor which is not RPM sensitive to output 60 Hz AC. Even if nothing but wood, leaves, grass, etc can burn will be able to make electricity. During winter can hillbilly engineer a system that will provide heat, power and hot water all off the same gizmo.

Spending two weeks at steam school learned a lot of information that is a dying technology. Went back for a week to get certified to repair and rebuild governors. With week of maintenance and operating, week of boiler repair and week of governor repair believe I can always rig some form of steam engine from stuff as simple as a propane tank and some black iron pipe.

We have a 2.5 acre flat field that have 100% view of from entire side and rear of house with a diesel tractor in the barn next door that would be easy to protect from food poachers. Plenty of water in lake to irrigate along with lots of long term storage seeds that first growing season we should have crops in front yard of both houses either side and ours plus field behind house next door would push 3.5 acres plus guy across street plants a quarter acre and could quadruple his output if sacrificed his lawn. Corn husks and stalks make good fuel for steam engines so can burn the no edible parts of food plants.

What scared the he!! out of me was did a coffee inventory recently. Assumed there was plenty. When counted cans and did the math last month had enough to make two pots a day for a year. Won't be growing any coffee beans so been laying into stocking more for past month as I generally make two pots per day for me. Imagine half a dozen men standing posts and having to stay awake. Picked up two cans this evening which are two pounds each and have been averaging adding six to eight pounds per week to inventory. Wife is kind of giving me a little flack but been stockpiling her Cellestial Seasonings tea which keeps it minimized. Also picked up 24 Mexican Coca-Cola's today and been buying them heavy when on sale. When SHTF ability to get jacked up on caffeine will be mission critical.

Like the five 35 pound containers of mercury secured today. Have been stockpiling all kinds of odd items for three decades. Bet I have the guts to over 200 thermostats as the mercury switches can be rigged to light off all sorts of stuff. Mostly piddle, but like thermostats have guts out of close to 100 microwave ovens. Go to Hobby Lobby about once a week and can't leave without a few packs of solid fuel rocket engines and electric igniters. Do that for a decade or so and have lots of things can piddled with. The LGS is also an archery shop so they go out of their way to collect bent aluminum and delaminating carbon arrows. A dozen arrows with solid rocket engines taped to them in a bundle of PVC pipes make a heck of a mess if all torch off at same time and go zipping through back yard in a gaggle.

Honestly have so much stuff boxed up and put back if the house ever really catches fire and can't knock it down fast going to run to the next county before stop to look back. Mushroom cloud will be impressive and neighbors will probably not be very happy. Why majority of house has automated fire suppression systems and maybe all the hardening will help contain it.

If we live through event horizon and fight off the first couple waves of zombits with a few people cooperating believe we have most of what is absolutely mandatory to get a good start on reestablishing a growing and thriving hive. Now my lifespan is five years post event beginning with meds if unable to get more. In that time can train others on odd skills like radar, antennas, wind/DC motors as generators.

I really expect to have electricity as big capacitors, electric fencing run off old non GFI 12,000 to 15,000 neon transformers (have some 15,000 volt 3.5 amp put hack and most now are limited to 60ma) and microwave magnatrons along with capacitors missing their bleed off resistors will likely be cornerstone of perimeter defense system. Electricity scares he!! out of folks when see their first buddy fry for a few seconds before busts open like a dead swollen deer on side of road in the summer sun. Have worked too hard to make sure electricity is available on the Ponderosa for at least a couple of years minimum and more likely as long as I am alive to keep things repaired and rigged.

Believe properly implimented the rocket engines will never get torched off or at least not often and only shooting will be sniping in the distance as people just can't deal with the voltage and amperage I plan to play with if perimeter is threatened. Use the three phase diesel generator to charge a pole transformer like a big capacitor so dumps 7,000 volts at 60 amps so first zombie explodes into his gentic goo and believe others will take a long hard look at the fence and reconsider intentions. Why need the coffee, want to be awake and see that big blue arc zap someone like a fly in a bug zapper. No electricity or little and we revert to punji pits, rocket powered arrows and lots of guns with tonnage of ammo. So many layers at the Ponderosa I wouldn't try to get in if knew was turned on and I know the weak points. None...

[FIANNAFAL]

I have used the Fiamm batteries in solar applications. First set was taken from a UPS that did have a thermal run away happen. Batts swelled so big they had to be pried apart. Ran fine for a couple of more years, before dieing.

They have a higher than normal float voltage and are good for lighting sheds,walkways and such. These are charged straight off of a solar panel without any voltage regulation. Low amp stuff.

At present more worried about cyber attacks on grid than EMP.

[hueyville]

Originally Posted by FIANNAFAL

I have used the Fiamm batteries in solar applications. First set was taken from a UPS that did have a thermal run away happen. Batts swelled so big they had to be pried apart. Ran fine for a couple of more years, before dieing.

They have a higher than normal float voltage and are good for lighting sheds,walkways and such. These are charged straight off of a solar panel without any voltage regulation. Low amp stuff.

At present more worried about cyber attacks on grid than EMP.

Seen more FIAMM batteries go into thermal run away than all other brands combined. If you want I have some extra Midronics charge controllers that stop pouring in any amperage once they hit maximum charge. A FIAMM in hot sun and overcharged any wI'll bust open and puke out its guts in a heartbeat. Each controller will regulate four batteries and believe it shuts down in rush I nce battery is at 13.9 volts but would have to doublecheck. These are their latest telecom versions. Could spare a couple or three for an owed favor. May have to modify for use with your system as designed to be plug and play with Ma Bell remote termimals.

Had an enclosure full of FIAMM's in sliding drawers all run away and weld themselves together. We're 16 per drawer and to lift one had to lift all. Sixteen 100 amp/hour batteries welded in a lump was a hoist for one man. Since not working any CEV's didn't have my hoist and winch. Had to go to lumber store, built a frame to use my come-along to lift high enough out of drawers to bust apart with splitting maul. Was in Lexington Kentucky and running back to the shop was not an option.

Lexington is also only city in Southeast with a unique key to boxes that copies are not provided to subcontractors. Had to wait for a Ma Bell tech to come unlock every enclosure till one let me hold his key for five minutes. He wanted to work his trouble code and let me unlock my own cabinets and never saw me make a wax impression. Had keys to every site in nine states so didn't see an issue and boy were the other subs upset when realized I was not waiting for company techs and could double their production. My mind misses battery and power plant work but my back doesn't. It's odd how I still get work but only on very rare occasions considering the company I worked for folded. Even odder is Ma Bell paying when not a registered vendor.

[C2A1]

Ah, just in time for the trip. I wondered when this would pop up.
http://www.ibtimes.com/air-forces-mi...-icbms-2623780

[FIANNAFAL]

Thanks for the offer. HueyV but now located in East Texas. Not online at my place yet. I have electronics set back for the day. Having been a U.P.S. service guy has had its advantages.
Having one battery on one panel with a small load of led lights or small fan does not require regulation. My larger power banks are regulated with breakers and fuse.
My belief on solar is to spread it out and not have it all tied to one source.
For a Newbie having one panel,one battery,fan,lights and radio will go a long way in helping adjusting to new times.

How about a nuclear reactor on a Navy ship as a power source for electronic weapons! Very portable and well protected.

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by C2A1

Ah, just in time for the trip. I wondered when this would pop up.
http://www.ibtimes.com/air-forces-mi...-icbms-2623780

For all the public "knows" about this advanced stuff, what is actually up and running helps me sleep pretty well at night.

They were able to keep the new fighters under wraps for what 20 years, those star wars looking things?

ICBM's have been our greatest concern since the 50's, suspect they have been working on how to kill incoming ICBM's since the 50's.

And rule number one, never tell your potential enemies you can kill their weapons, until you need to really kill their weapons!

[C2A1]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-is-not-a-goo/

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by C2A1

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-is-not-a-goo/

We're all on our own, so prepare or don't, everyone gets to make a choice, hope they pick the correct one, but hope in one hand and shit in the other, well, don't shake hands with just anyone now a days.

[C2A1]

From my trip. Our buddy is now fully capable. Tech has been moved to the other friend of ours, so they have an intercontinental capability. Also got details on his bio programs. Straight from the folks east of Europe. Viral wrapped with bacterial coating. Let's just say I didn't hear anything that cheered me up for the holidays.

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by C2A1

From my trip. Our buddy is now fully capable. Tech has been moved to the other friend of ours, so they have an intercontinental capability. Also got details on his bio programs. Straight from the folks east of Europe. Viral wrapped with bacterial coating. Let's just say I didn't hear anything that cheered me up for the holidays.

If it, or when this crap gets let loose, back to isolation, and that means the ability to live independent for a year or so with zero outside or near contact with those infected.

Cities, major are screwed, urban areas, well, ya better have enough people to pull 24/7/365 guard duty, with people that can and will shoot at anything warm bodied that can transmit whatever they have from one to another.

I'm sure some small groups can do what needs to be done, but suspect most people lack the discipline to hold the line for a year or more.

My hope, the idiots that made this crap and the people that ordered it made and then use it, made it to die when the warm host dies, vs some lingering characteristics like natural anthrax.
If it dies with the host, we got a chance, if it lingers in the dead body/in the ground they fell upon, we're pretty much screwed.

[jvm]

I have been following this thread for some time

On another forum there appears talk about the Deep State and its end goals

There is also the book of Q. If these are in fact not false flags, things could

indeed get interesting. If the deep state people get exposed there maybe

nothing they wouldn't do

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by jvm

I have been following this thread for some time

On another forum there appears talk about the Deep State and its end goals

There is also the book of Q. If these are in fact not false flags, things could

indeed get interesting. If the deep state people get exposed there maybe

nothing they wouldn't do

The Deep state could not prevent Trump from becoming president with everything stacked against him.
That tells me, the so called deep state is highly overrated??????

[C2A1]

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/36...e-threat-to-us
I like Mattis, No BS guy. From my last visit, he is right to a degree. NK can't get a high yield nuke on target at ground level east of the rockies. Given the yields (<1Mt) and accuracy (+-10 miles), they don't have an effective city strike system But they sure can get a high altitude device where they need it.
If this goes hot, it will not be a single shot situation. It will be everything including the kitchen sink. That is why Bio and delivery systems have been discussed. This isn't going to be a kind/gentile situation. He will lose but so will we. Is he crazy? About like the guy that shot up a church or concert.

[Zimm]

I like your ending there.one thing nobody,including me ,ever really thought about. Do we really understand his motivation? Did we understand any mass killers motivation? Sure we can blame it on religion for some .do we know if kimmy believes he is a God and will survive ? Like snack bars think they will get virgins ,he may believe he will cleanse the earth of undesirables .
Scary line of thought I'm taking here

[Exit308]

If one of those civilization ending genies mentioned in this long discussion gets let out of the bottle, you will find yourself and your 'tribe' on one of three lists.

1. Dead
2. Ill or injured and soon to be dead.
3. Survivor

Plan accordingly.

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by Exit308

If one of those civilization ending genies mentioned in this long discussion gets let out of the bottle, you will find yourself and your 'tribe' on one of three lists.

1. Dead
2. Ill or injured and soon to be dead.
3. Survivor

Plan accordingly.

1. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time, like where the bomb goes off or the gas, poison, bio crap being let loose.

2. Not being prepared, dependent upon the government comes to mind quickly.

3. Lucky, someone else got hit with the initial kill shot, time to bring out the preps, get into a mask, get into your hide hole, with food, water, ammo and time to change into survival mode in ones head.

[Zimm]

My problem ,besides being close to mcdill afb, is my 2sons live in the denial zone and don't believe anything will ever happen and can't wrap their mind around it.im okay with that,it's their life and they are still young and in that nothing's gonna get me phase.they live closer to mcdill than I do.in fact one sees the planes from there fly right over his house sometimes .so my preps gotta be on the down low to keep from upsetting everyone.most fall into the hurricane prep stuff and I can get them to do that.so if your relatives don't believe like us try and get them to prep for other disasters .i mentioned to my youngest who's in med school about getting gas masks in case something happened . he said they are given a fitted mask that's custom made for them to keep out tb ,and any other foreign agent. My main concern I'm going to talk about at Christmas is for them to meet at my house if anything happens

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by Zimm

My problem ,besides being close to mcdill afb, is my 2sons live in the denial zone and don't believe anything will ever happen and can't wrap their mind around it.im okay with that,it's their life and they are still young and in that nothing's gonna get me phase.they live closer to mcdill than I do.in fact one sees the planes from there fly right over his house sometimes .so my preps gotta be on the down low to keep from upsetting everyone.most fall into the hurricane prep stuff and I can get them to do that.so if your relatives don't believe like us try and get them to prep for other disasters .i mentioned to my youngest who's in med school about getting gas masks in case something happened . he said they are given a fitted mask that's custom made for them to keep out tb ,and any other foreign agent. My main concern I'm going to talk about at Christmas is for them to meet at my house if anything happens

Ya just do the best you can, all you can do with family.
Because I can, am able, I put up extra stuff for folks I know will make their way into here in case of a national emergency, extra water reserves, extra food, and ammo, weapons, which would never be an issue with the crap I have now.

[C2A1]

http://westernfreepress.com/2017/12/...mp-protection/
However, DOE is trying to take control of the issue and down playing EMP.

[C2A1]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...D=ansmsnnews11

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by C2A1

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...D=ansmsnnews11

About time to drop his next one with a kill shot.

[C-ya]

Originally Posted by yellowhand

About time to drop his next one with a kill shot.

I'm surprised we haven't been doing that. Kim is getting practice launching, we should be getting some TBMD practice for only the cost of the interceptor. Everyone wins, right? (That's for our liberal friends who are all about being equal and feeling good and getting their participation ribbon. I don't care if Kim is happy or not.)

[hueyville]

Originally Posted by yellowhand

Ya just do the best you can, all you can do with family.
Because I can, am able, I put up extra stuff for folks I know will make their way into here in case of a national emergency, extra water reserves, extra food, and ammo, weapons, which would never be an issue with the crap I have now.

My grandmother was a prepped by today's definition, my mother takes AR 15's home when visits often and is set up on the farm. Brother and most cousins are gun people with leaning toward surviving. Christmas more men packing then not and plenty of truck rifles. My family is constantly reminded of Great Depression and WW II rationing. Without an attack on our soil or pandemic/natural disaster food is an important commodity. Maybe use history and all the times large portions of poulation starved as a teaching point.

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by hueyville

My grandmother was a prepped by today's definition, my mother takes AR 15's home when visits often and is set up on the farm. Brother and most cousins are gun people with leaning toward surviving. Christmas more men packing then not and plenty of truck rifles. My family is constantly reminded of Great Depression and WW II rationing. Without an attack on our soil or pandemic/natural disaster food is an important commodity. Maybe use history and all the times large portions of poulation starved as a teaching point.

One of the things I see on TV, hear on the news that I actually believe, about half of American adults don't have an extra 500.00 for any type of emergency, and that right there, makes half the country subject to anything that goes wrong in about 5 minutes.

The other thing, is that most Americans have 3 to five days worth of food in the home.

And how high a percentage, if the tap water does not flow, even have a few gallons of water stored???

More than enough Americans have about nothing for an emergency, to cause chaos for all of us that are prepared in spades.

Prepare for panicked people.

[J. Armstrong]

Originally Posted by yellowhand

One of the things I see on TV, hear on the news that I actually believe, about half of American adults don't have an extra 500.00 for any type of emergency, and that right there, makes half the country subject to anything that goes wrong in about 5 minutes.

The other thing, is that most Americans have 3 to five days worth of food in the home.

And how high a percentage, if the tap water does not flow, even have a few gallons of water stored???

More than enough Americans have about nothing for an emergency, to cause chaos for all of us that are prepared in spades.

Prepare for panicked people.

And then when they come banging on the door crying, we will be called evil people ( and worse ) when they are, of necessity, turned away. In some cases, with extreme prejudice.

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by J. Armstrong

And then when they come banging on the door crying, we will be called evil people ( and worse ) when they are, of necessity, turned away. In some cases, with extreme prejudice.

I pray that time never comes, but if it does, well, it won't be pretty.

Its just mama and I here, but we've stocked enough for four people for a year, which cost money, time, and forethought.

We have a couple of families that will be heading here, we're isolated, if things ever do go sour, but they have their own supplies and the right mind set.

Other than them, showing up here, ya better have one hell of a skill set in high demand, if you only have the clothing on your back, like a surgeon.

Actually have had friends tell me, ones that could not get thru a power outage for a day, or eat for more than a couple if the trucks stopped running, they planned to gang up on me here.
Told them plain, ain't happening and thanks for the warning.
Those I'm sure I'd have to deal with harshly.

[medicmike]

Originally Posted by yellowhand

Actually have had friends tell me, ones that could not get thru a power outage for a day, or eat for more than a couple if the trucks stopped running, they planned to gang up on me here.
Told them plain, ain't happening and thanks for the warning.
Those I'm sure I'd have to deal with harshly.

My main partner on the ambulance was pretty well prepared, a bit before Y2K one of the other medics said he was going to show up at his house if it hit the fan....Mike responded "that's great, the pigs are going eat well for a few days and your wife is just adorable"

Of course the snowflake complained that he had been threatened and Mike got to spend some time in the supervisor's office. He said the look on the other guy's face was totally worth it....

[J. Armstrong]

Originally Posted by yellowhand

I pray that time never comes, but if it does, well, it won't be pretty.

Its just mama and I here, but we've stocked enough for four people for a year, which cost money, time, and forethought.

We have a couple of families that will be heading here, we're isolated, if things ever do go sour, but they have their own supplies and the right mind set.

Other than them, showing up here, ya better have one hell of a skill set in high demand, if you only have the clothing on your back, like a surgeon.

Actually have had friends tell me, ones that could not get thru a power outage for a day, or eat for more than a couple if the trucks stopped running, they planned to gang up on me here.
Told them plain, ain't happening and thanks for the warning.
Those I'm sure I'd have to deal with harshly.

Exactly. A very good friend, a lawyer and very intelligent and well off, once joked about coming to Fortress Armstrong "if and when" ( which of course he doesn't believe could EVER happen Told him I suspected that the circumstances would involve an entirely different justice system and that he'd better bring along much better bargaining chips.

Same guy once asked how many guns I own. "Need to know, baby, and you don't".

I hope all of this never comes to the test, though.

[Brian in MN]

Originally Posted by J. Armstrong

Same guy once asked how many guns I own. .

A female, and very anti-gun, acquaintance once asked me that question. I replied that I did not know. This wasn't a good enough answer for her so I asked her how many pairs of shoes she owned.

[yellowhand]

I ain't a prepper, I'm a life long survivalist, and many folks don;t understand that one.

My lovely wife does not fully understand all the ends and outs of survival, but she does exactly what she is told to do when I have what she calls my "monster face" on, like when I go out the front door armed up at O2 dark thirty when something is happening outside.

A ton of snowflakes are going to be in for a rough education, if or when they ever witness many an hard old boy with their monster faces firmly in place.

Rule number one, always take care of you and yours first, and never allow anyone to put those in harms way.

So many people will hesitate to flip the switch between normal times and harsh times they will end up going down hard.

So never hesitate.

[J. Armstrong]

Originally Posted by Brian in MN

A female, and very anti-gun, acquaintance once asked me that question. I replied that I did not know. This wasn't a good enough answer for her so I asked her how many pairs of shoes she owned.

Should have asked how many dildoes she owned. I mean, same thing, penis substitutes, right ???

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by J. Armstrong

Should have asked how many dildoes she owned. I mean, same thing, penis substitutes, right ???

Ya might want to be careful on that one, she might just whip that sucker out and beat ya with it!

Some of these old gals are just plain junk yard dog mean.

[J. Armstrong]

That's why you always carry ---- "but officer, I had no choice - she was attacking me with a dead weapon !".

[C2A1]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ng-about-powe/

[C2A1]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ex...rticle/2579715

[C2A1]

Been a hot week. Asked to be in DC jan 11th.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/24935...-ryan-saavedra

[C2A1]

Why I'm headed back:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/1...t-emp-attacks/
It is in the FY 2017 NDAA.

[medicmike]

Originally Posted by C2A1

Why I'm headed back:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/1...t-emp-attacks/
It is in the FY 2017 NDAA.

Finally some good news!

[legolas1]

How long would it take to harden the grid against an EMP attack? years? If a 'super' EMP were used, could the increased pulse defeat the level of hardening that is currently planned?

[C2A1]

Complex issue. You have the grid itself which will take a year or maybe two if the government can manage to get it's act together. The big issue are the embedded Obomites that are really trying to stop this internally. They are down inside the DOD and control the DOE and FERC.
In the real world fixing the transformers is only part of the issue. The big item are the electronic control modules which control the power plants but also fuel, water etc. Power plant is only good if it can get fuel. The good news is that these systems can be replaced fairly easily, if there are spares. Still large sections of the country maybe down for over a year (look at PR). The enhanced weapons will damage more small systems and burn more homes and strucutres down.
You got it, can we get there fast enough? As we go to fix this, it is a destabilizing effect. Use it or lose it from the others side's viewpoint.

[C2A1]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...D=ansmsnnews11

[yellowhand]

Originally Posted by C2A1

Complex issue. You have the grid itself which will take a year or maybe two if the government can manage to get it's act together. The big issue are the embedded Obomites that are really trying to stop this internally. They are down inside the DOD and control the DOE and FERC.
In the real world fixing the transformers is only part of the issue. The big item are the electronic control modules which control the power plants but also fuel, water etc. Power plant is only good if it can get fuel. The good news is that these systems can be replaced fairly easily, if there are spares. Still large sections of the country maybe down for over a year (look at PR). The enhanced weapons will damage more small systems and burn more homes and strucutres down.
You got it, can we get there fast enough? As we go to fix this, it is a destabilizing effect. Use it or lose it from the others side's viewpoint.

Damn, as if the obammy left behind people want the USA grid to fall apart, think it has something to do with them wishing/wanting to reduce the overall population???

Of course, so long as they are not reduced.

[legolas1]

C2, i would agree, it may come down to a use it or lose it decision. 1 Nuke at low level takes out a city, 1 nuke/super EMP at high altitude takes out an entire developed country, the EMP is now the poor man's nation killer.

If the developed nation becomes hardened against the EMP, the poor man loses his edge and with it likely his life. So it may be, that by increasing efforts to harden against EMP, we have decreased the time left before hostilities begin. Of course it was always only a matter of time.

[C2A1]

Just FYI
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...vladimir-putin

[badzero]

Ireland an article A couple of years ago that showed the UN had given modern computers to the norks as part of some cultural enrichment program. I can't find it now though.
Hell for that matter anyone else remember all the data that got "stolen" during the Clinton years when they rented rooms in the White House out to foreign nationals?

[frankxtc]

After thinking about the EMP thing, I realized that there might be another way the bad guys can disable/wreck the USA power grid w/o drama.
SCADA networks and PLC’s control all the switchgear.

In spite of the fact that rules are supposed to prohibit connecting the SCADA control networks to the INTERNET, sleepy people don’t want to drive @ no o’clock, so sometimes the plant net and the public net get connected. Supervisor does not want to know how the guys fixed things that night, just that he can tell the suit “we resolved the outage in x hours”.

Some places put a firewall up between the plant SCADA net and the public net. False sense of security, firewalls.

Even if the SCADA nets are isolated, there is always some guy w/ a flash USB drive in his pocket that gets plugged in to one of the PC’s on the SCADA net, “just to do this upgrade”. What else has he used that flash drive for??? STUXNET- Game Over.

[C2A1]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...wamp-mr-trump/