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Old December 22, 2017, 22:44   #1
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WTF! Paypal buyers

When someone has your PP address from a previous transaction, do they have the right to "gift" you the payment, and claim it as a sale item being a "gun part" , without your authorization? or I just being up tight?
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Old December 22, 2017, 22:54   #2
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Wow, nice way for them to get your account locked. You could refund the payment as "wrong paypal address" and then tell the buyer to send a postal money order, for being stupid.
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Old December 22, 2017, 23:09   #3
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Crazy shit.
So I was the PP holdout for 15? yrs. Just started doing it awhile back.
I remember back when G-plumber thought "me" an ass for not doing PP and wouldn't accept a MO payment from me!
You'd think that by now everyone would kind of have it figured out, but damn.
How does discreet = Send the parts to my Gunsmith!
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Old December 22, 2017, 23:15   #4
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Whatever one calls it, it's not cool. Refund the payment and send them packing is what I'd do.

I'm very careful with PP because I don't want my account or the sellers account locked for some stupid shit. If someone cannot respect the seller and his instructions then he doesn't need to do business with that person. To just drop a bomb like that outta the blue? He needs a good ass chewing and sent on his way.
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Old December 22, 2017, 23:20   #5
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Yes, I refunded and blocked them from bidding.
I'm up to 30 blocked bidders on G-broker now, but that's over 19 yrs.
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Old December 23, 2017, 10:08   #6
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Crazy shit.
So I was the PP holdout for 15? yrs. Just started doing it awhile back.
I remember back when G-plumber thought "me" an ass for not doing PP and wouldn't accept a MO payment from me!
You'd think that by now everyone would kind of have it figured out, but damn.
How does discreet = Send the parts to my Gunsmith!
Larry - you are either confusing me with someone else or you are lying. I've never, ever, had a preference for PP over a check or money order.

I did grudgingly accept paypal for a period of time, on those orders that were not in violation of the user agreement. And always for "goods", never lying to cheat them out of their fee by calling it a "gift". But after the criminal scum at paypal stole from me, I will not use them.

I have always preferred a check or money order made out to me, that I can simply cash at my bank. Asserting that I would prefer a tracked electronic transfer that is reported to the IRS (now, anyway, 1099Q) over cashing a check from a known person is so illogical, that you must have me confused with someone else. Because I can think of no reason why you would come up with such a stupid lie.

So I'll be expecting an apology and a retraction
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Old December 23, 2017, 11:41   #7
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No Mark, I remember it distinctly. It was probably 12+ yrs ago. You were having a fire sale and when I wanted to make a purchase and pay w/a MO you snubbed the sale. I assume you wanted fast $ and PP served that means.
I don't think I can go back to that e-mail as I no longer use my earthlink address and it was a paid account.

I have purchased from you
3 US made walnut metric grips.
Several Aussie plastic carry handles which you shorted me one and sent a Aussie cleaning kits case.
Several New "Turk mfg'r FAL" buttplates that turned out to be C1 that you had to make a price adjustment on.
One Odd ARMS para scope mnt
Do you recall those sales?

Do you recall our conversation over locking shoulders when I was at a Phoenix gunshow in 1997?
I do.
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Old December 23, 2017, 13:14   #8
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I have a good memory, but really - expecting me to remember a conversation with one of hundreds of people at a gunshow 20 years ago? That's really stretching it.

Your assertion makes zero sense. I have always preferred a check/money order that I can simply cash, over an electronic transaction for which I have to pay an additional fee. The only mitigation for grudgingly accepting paypal was the ability to print a shipping label from your order. I do not believe that has ever been such a boon as to motivate me to reject a "better" payment method.
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Old December 23, 2017, 13:36   #9
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Using PayPal is like trying to hit a moving target. The rules change constantly, when and what you can use it for per their rules seems to fit only their agenda. For a long time they didn't allow use for purchase of guns or gun parts, but their merger with eBay changed that. I personally don't like sellers who insist on using the "Friends and Family" or "Gift" option to dodge the fees, that seems like a sure way to have your account frozen. Or those who want a 3.5 or 4 percent override for the privilege of paying with PayPal, why not just build that into your selling price or accept it as a cost of doing business - credit cards have been charging merchants for years.

The ability to use a service like PayPal for making online purchases has become a necessary evil. I prefer it to using my credit card as I feel it is more secure and offers less exposure to fraud.

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Old December 23, 2017, 14:12   #10
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Mark, it could have been when you were moving to Surprise?
Regardless, I assume we can agree to disagree and I hold no animosity over the non-deal and have purchased a few items from you since w/a MO.
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Old December 25, 2017, 10:04   #11
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I dropped payscum around 2000. A couple of my collector friends had their monies seized and monkeyed with back then. And it was no small amount of money they fugged with. They were making gobs on interest and it took forever and some legal action before my friends got their money back...and then they left payscum immediately. Someone told me that they can no longer withdraw their money all in one shot from payscum - something along that line ?. I won't ever use them again.
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Old December 25, 2017, 22:27   #12
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If I have over $80.00 in the acct, I start withdrawing. I have also not given them my SS number where they can draw OUT of my checking acct.

Actually, I'm just going to close my acct. Used to be when I logged on they had a pop up that said my sign up was 60% complete. I have not seen that in awhile so I checked my acct and they have sourced my SS number some how so adios!
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Old December 26, 2017, 01:21   #13
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Gun parts are ok with paypal. Lots of gun parts for sale on ebay, and if you buy you HAVE to pay with paypal.
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Old December 26, 2017, 07:42   #14
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I have a specific savings account at an alternate bank which is only for PayPal use.
When sales are made, PayPal balance is transferred into this account and them withdrawn asap to retain the smallest balance possible.

To me, this keeps them out of my everyday accounts where it could be troublesome if something got "locked up."

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Old December 29, 2017, 02:31   #15
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pay pal sucks for everything. I have used paypal for gun like parts. So, they wanted friends and family only transfers with no gun parts listed. OK When you transfer money to friends and family you get screwed if they don't send you anything. It has happened to me twice. Never again. I am down 800 bucks thanks dellque- Rodney Demasters

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Old January 15, 2018, 14:22   #16
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Does PayPal allow the purchase of FAL 20 round magazines? It isn't high capacity it is the normal capacity of the FAL. How does their policy work for that? I have a seller on armslist who wants a PayPal Payment but I don't want to give up the buyer protection.
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Old January 15, 2018, 16:06   #17
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Does PayPal allow the purchase of FAL 20 round magazines? It isn't high capacity it is the normal capacity of the FAL. How does their policy work for that? I have a seller on armslist who wants a PayPal Payment but I don't want to give up the buyer protection.
Then leave the description and comments fields blank. Email the seller to let him know when you sent payment.
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Old January 16, 2018, 03:09   #18
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pay pal sucks for everything. I have used paypal for gun like parts. So, they wanted friends and family only transfers with no gun parts listed. OK When you transfer money to friends and family you get screwed if they don't send you anything. It has happened to me twice. Never again. I am down 800 bucks thanks dellque- Rodney Demasters
You are just dealing with crooks. I've traded, received cash, Ck, MO, PP F&F & Goods & services and always sent the product. I've worked with buyers to locate lost packages and have filed lost package claims 4x to reimburse them.
You need to spread these crooks name all over the internet.
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Old January 17, 2018, 18:22   #19
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Larry's getting bored ...

LoL ... I've got your SS # and your PP login ...
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Have totally stopped PayPal Friends & Family for any transactions. If someone sells or buys from me using PayPal it's with understanding that it will be a PayPal Merchant transaction, who pays fees clearly agreed and any firearms related purchases are called machine parts. A gun is a machine and do not feel that it's lying or cheating to call a barrel or such a machine part. PayPal gets their fees and funds are handled as securely as I know how.

Have separate checking account and credit card use with PayPal that only keep a minimum amount in checking for needs at time and low maximum limit on card that won't hurt if it is sniped. If paid significant amount pull it out fast. Sold two cars, motorcycles & other large ticket items would have hated to see locked up by PayPal. Know a few people who had accounts locked and never got their money, usually because person on one side of the transaction was stupid. Seen both parties get accounts locked so be careful when you file a complaint.

Know a guy who sent a personal check for online item. Vendor used routing/account numbers on his personal check to print checks and use for high dollar purchases wipimg his account before he realized it to point of having to cover the bounced checks as well till sorted out. Seen credit cards get sniped by online vendors or from their records so try to limit my online exposure to a card and account that if both were maxed it would not be earth shaking.

Sent out a Certified Check on a national bank Tuesday to Files member. I don't use USPS Money Orders because of two reasons. First is 20 to 30 minute wait in line at our local post office behind Hispanics mailing used cloths home who don't understand packaging, mail system or "Engrish" and have a nine year old kid translating. Second is if vendor screws you or item is lost in mail by same people who handled the money and shipping seldom, if ever, does the loss claim get settled. I have never had U.S.P.S. pay a claim and filed three total.

Purchased a pair of Noveske 6.8 barrels from a very nice gentleman in Alaska before Christmas. He had never accepted PayPal as payment but explained I would pay him as a Merchant, add appropriate fees and he just transfered his money into linked checking account quickly. Advised him to ship from his official PayPal address of record to mine. Did transaction as a Merchant Sale with appropriate fees for "machine parts". Seller dropped in his Post Office, package was scanned in, scanned leaving Alaska then for over two weeks was missing.

Contacted PayPal, was told to wait time for U.S. Postal to declare missing, send them the tracking number of package and as long as it matched shipment from seller on record plus buyer on record from their PayPal Confirmed Addresses on both sides they would reimburse funds minus their fee without taking away money from the vendor. Your fees pay for insured transaction just like an Ebay purchase. Over two weeks later barrels suddenly appeared in Seattle then got lost for another week between the Midwest and Southeast. If use PayPal correctly it's safest way have found to pay strangers have never done business with who do not have a Brick & Mortar business to interface with if need. Read their terms & conditions well. Use confirmed addresses, pay as Merchant and don't try to save the fees using friends and family if want to be protected.

UPS has lost or damaged more packages than I can count with no positive results on claims filed ever. Have not received two items paid for with U.S.P.S money orders and never got a single dime. Every transaction that went through PayPal that went south has been fixed. Bought a MICH High Ear Helmet with N Rails and N.V. mount last year advertised as Gentex Level 3a on Ebay. What I received was a plastic airsoft replica. Sent in disputes immediately to Ebay and PayPal and money was refunded in less than 30 days due to seller not responding to them.

Have well over a thousand transactions through Ebay/PayPal and the few that went bad I got my money refunded. U.S.P.S. has never refunded a dime on lost or scammed item bought with money order or lost in their mail system. UPS has never settled a damaged or lost package claim positively. Have tried personal checks, bank checks and money orders. Only transactions where an issue raised and was able to get positive results were on Amex credit cards or PayPal. Amex usually fixes things with a phone call. PayPal have to prove used proper payment method, recognized shipping addresses and provide proof item was incorrectly described or lost and they eventually fixed.

My personal rules are pass on any U.S.P.S. money order only or PayPal Friends & Family only. Believe many do this as goal os to avoid tax implications. Have had several transactions not happen in past year because seller said PayPal F&F only then when offered to pay fees myself and use Merchant tab seller absolutely refused. A gift from non family member is taxable, especially a long history of online "gifts". Others may have a different experience but for me I will use what has worked to date as much as I can. This forum is only place break my rules for payment on occasion and send a personal check or even cash. FAL Files is a different barrel of monkeys but trustworthy to do business with thus far both as seller and buyer.
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