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Old November 29, 2017, 14:02   #1
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Time date a lower

Any way to get a manufacture date on lower? I believe it's a Austrian STG, has the S and E at the safety. #4521. Just curious.
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Old November 29, 2017, 14:12   #2
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If it's STG there should be a box or partial box with 8 inside for 1958
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Old November 29, 2017, 14:38   #3
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If the selector positions are marked "S - E - D" then it's either StG-58 or German G1. The G1's and early (S/N below 20000? (IIRC)) StG's were made by FN. If it is Belgian, it may have some stamps in various inconspicuous places of a "digit in a partial box". Look on the inside behind the trigger opening, on the face of the block where the hammer spring assembly rests, or on the rear face around the recoil spring tube. For example, a "7" in a partial box would be 1957.

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In the beginning of FN's FAL production, these proofs looked like "numbers in a partial box". This "partial box" proof type first applies from years 1948 to 1961.

1st qtr.-left,bottom,right side borders
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3rd qtr-left,top,right borders
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Old November 29, 2017, 15:14   #4
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If you’re looking for a date on the Belgian lower I would pull off the stock and look on the back of the trigger housing next to the recoil tube.

Sounds like a Belgian STG
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Old November 29, 2017, 15:19   #5
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Well, no D at the safety. I will look at the places you mentioned tonight when I get home.
I am thinking this rifal was built during the ban on a Imbel receiver with a DSA 16" barrel with the permanently attached muzzle brake, I can see the what appears to be silver solder but can't find any marking on barrel.
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Old November 29, 2017, 15:22   #6
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I will need to get a buttstock tool before I can do that,lol.
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Old November 29, 2017, 16:05   #7
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What color is the finish?

If the lower is Belgian and finish is original (serial number suggests that it should be, if in fact an STG58), the finish will a dark blued color.
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D would be on the fun switch all over way forward for FA
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Old November 29, 2017, 18:08   #9
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It definitely has been refinished, it is a black color. Is the D that you are asking about forward of the safety and looks like a rectangle with one side slanted forward?
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It definitely has been refinished, it is a black color. Is the D that you are asking about forward of the safety and looks like a rectangle with one side slanted forward?
Yup, that is a Delta ... (although it is a trapezoid)

If date code is a 7, it is a G-1, if date code is an 8, it is a StG 58.

Pictures would help a lot.
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Old November 29, 2017, 22:00   #11
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Can't post attachments. Have a couple of good ones too.
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It's either a 57' or 58'. Why bother taking it apart?

If it has its original internals you can get dates from those.

Rear sight base under the Z spring
Aperture at either end of the button
Hammer
Trigger
Sear

If the parts are Belgian you may see:

|6| or |7| or |8| or |g| or |o| or.....?
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I did some more looking, it appears that a 0 is stamped on the lower under the hammer spring assembly, hard to tell. The hammer, trigger, sear and axis pin have a stamped oval with 24 inside.
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I did some more looking, it appears that a 0 is stamped on the lower under the hammer spring assembly, hard to tell. The hammer, trigger, sear and axis pin have a stamped oval with 24 inside.
Ovals with a number would make it an early StG 58.
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Thanks for all the information guys. Now to just go shoot this thing.
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Old December 04, 2017, 15:45   #16
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Ovals with a number would make it an early StG 58.
# inside ovals would make it Steyr and not early. Early StG's were 100% FN. 1-20,000 = FN
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# inside ovals would make it Steyr and not early. Early StG's were 100% FN. 1-20,000 = FN
Doesn't mean it wasn't proofed by Steyr or Austrian at some other time, since #4521 would definitely be early.
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Doesn't mean it wasn't proofed by Steyr or Austrian at some other time, since #4521 would definitely be early.
Steyr marked only parts on early Belgian kits were retrofitted. When you see plastic butts, plastic grips, short tab bipods, soldered short gas tubes etc....none of that was original to the early rifles.
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