Colt M16A1 Reissue

martian308 · December 03, 2017, 18:17

Gents...

Any idea when the next batch of Colt M16A1 reissue clones will be released on the market?

Thinking about getting one of these for my collection.

**VALMET** · December 03, 2017, 18:21

I have a hard time imagining that Colt will mfg any more unless you know something that I don’t? If they do mfg anymore they’ll surely be horrifically expensive.

gunseller · December 03, 2017, 20:15

I built one in semi auto several years ago. We were just out shooting it this afternoon. My 16 years old just loves it as it is like the one I carried well over 40 years ago.
Steve

**VALMET** · December 03, 2017, 20:52

Unless it has to be a Colt for collecting purposes, you’d likely be better off building a clone on a Colt receiver or a Nodak Spud (there are companies that can add “correct” markings). That project would probably come in at under what a new Colt A1 reissue would cost you.

**OMR_RDTandE** · December 04, 2017, 09:30

I've an M16-A1, built with an Apex Colt parts kit, paired with an original Colt barrel, on a Nodak lower. Close enough for my purposes, all Colt except for the lower, and duplicates what I always shot on the range. It's also in much better condition than anything the Corps ever issued me. We won't talk about the beat-to-shit XM16-E1 I carried in Ranger School in '76.

mikeuniform · December 04, 2017, 11:07

You mean this? https://gundigest.com/more/classic-g...-m16a1-reissue

For what they're asking, I'm sure there's quite a few left out there.

hueyville · December 04, 2017, 11:35

If able to get your FFL to cash in a favor or are an FFL at wholesale would likely be a decent long term investment of they keep production limited. Might even be good investment at MSRP. If Colt goes belly up or dot gov only it would only go up in value. Have quite a few snake guns such as Pythons, Diamondbacks an Anaconda plus 1st and 2nd edition Cobras that were high at $450 to $700 when purchased but all are $2,000 for even a beater now.

Pony gun guys will pay the price to join the club or round out a collection. If luck and keeping eyes open to heirs selling stuff on Craigslist or catch them coming in gunshow or called by mutual friend I will add one to my collection if had to sell off my shooter grade Python or a Belgian Hi Power to finance it. Never would have guessed back in the day when there was at least one or two Colt wheelguns in every gun shop display they would stop even making them much less the prices a nice snake gun, especially rare variants command now. Have several have purposely not researched value to resist temptation to sell like did with too many SP1's first cancer diagnosis and could move into ban states for 4x to 5x original investment.

pre1989 · December 04, 2017, 11:53

I will second the above ..At the price point Colt wants for there clones it is cheeper to buy a SP1 which other then markings and being non FA is a M16A1 ...Or go the Nodak rout which is also cheep ..I mean I think troy is making clones which are cheeper but its troy so ...

Steggo · January 23, 2018, 23:44

Once again Colt leaves its customers high and dry and another company swoops in to fill the need...

RETRO

Rifles from 1960, Colt getting dusted like its 1990. I love it when the past comes alive

**VALMET** · January 24, 2018, 06:35

The Brownell’s 7.62 guns look kinda slick.

TenTea · January 24, 2018, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steggo

Once again Colt leaves its customers high and dry and another company swoops in to fill the need...

RETRO

Rifles from 1960, Colt getting dusted like its 1990. I love it when the past comes alive

Fantastical! Thanks, I'd not seen these.

steveTA1983 · January 24, 2018, 11:42

I'd be all over one of these if the price wasn't so high. Very slick rifles Brownells is offering

lew · January 24, 2018, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by VALMET

The Brownell’s 7.62 guns look kinda slick.

They need a push and a nudge to release a Portuguese AR10 clone.

gunshooter · January 24, 2018, 12:32

WoW! 7.62 x 51!

That is one helluva Deer Rifle!

That is one helluva price point but not unattainable!

Nice rifles!

AGG · January 24, 2018, 16:20

I am liking the 177, though the vinyl-acetate stock would be more proper!!!

Tony

**VALMET** · January 24, 2018, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by lew

They need a push and a nudge to release a Portuguese AR10 clone.

Or one of those goofy-looking beer-can type flashiders that were on the 1955 Hollywood mfg AR10s. Wonder if John Thomas could do one of those??

Also wondering why their 601-style clone that has the green (too light) stocks has the mag fence?

martian308 · January 24, 2018, 18:40

Brownells really stepped up their game. I'm hoping they put out a Portuguese AR10 clone.

I did pick up a Colt reissue M16A1 a few weeks ago. It's nice but I'm not sure yet if it's $2500 worth of nice...time will tell.

rbgonoles · January 24, 2018, 18:56

I might have to pull the trigger on the Brownells Dutch Ar10. Looks sweet, but I’ll wait some reviews before plunking down $1700.

I have a feeling John Thomas will find a way to make it look more correct.

MontanaGrant · January 24, 2018, 19:35

damnit......

Now I want one of those AR10's.....

And I dont got that kind of cash to drop lol

**VALMET** · January 24, 2018, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbgonoles

I might have to pull the trigger on the Brownells Dutch Ar10. Looks sweet, but I’ll wait some reviews before plunking down $1700.

I have a feeling John Thomas will find a way to make it look more correct.

I hope so as well. He does top-notch work.

rbgonoles · January 24, 2018, 20:32

I’d be very excited if they fix or if JT can fix the FSB and if they use a correct looking grip. Regardless, it’s awesome offering for those who love Cold War battle rifles.

**VALMET** · January 24, 2018, 20:41

I've already contacted him about it...awaiting reply.

**fly2.0** · January 24, 2018, 23:24

You Guy's see Brownells new line coming out ? To pricey for me . 308 & 556

https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/bapi...content=Social

Brian in MN · January 25, 2018, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by lew

They need a push and a nudge to release a Portuguese AR10 clone.

+1 on that!

hansellhd · January 25, 2018, 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbgonoles

I’d be very excited if they fix or if JT can fix the FSB and if they use a correct looking grip. Regardless, it’s awesome offering for those who love Cold War battle rifles.

That's me, I have one on order.

This will finish off my Battle Rifle collection.

rbgonoles · January 25, 2018, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by hansellhd

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That's me, I have one on order.

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This will finish off my Battle Rifle collection.

I foresee my FAL, BM59, M14, PTR91 and AR10 having a Cold War retro battle rifle shoot in the very near future...

**VALMET** · January 25, 2018, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by hansellhd

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That's me, I have one on order.

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This will finish off my Battle Rifle collection.

Yes, I need one of these as well.

67ray · January 26, 2018, 16:15

Some things aren't about money. If you love the reissue and want one it isn't a question about the cost compared to originals. Enjoy the hobby and buy what you can afford.

Bertellione · January 27, 2018, 02:53

As far as the Colt clones go I think they are over priced and not even made in Colts factory just has the name from what I've read. As far as Brownells AR10 goes the receivers look good but I want to see one in person. The reason for that is I ordered the brown furniture to send of to John to have painted coconut for a 601 build and it is crap. The but stock is cheap and the forend doesn't fit in the retaining cap worth a crap they sent me a second set that had the same problem then had the guys at the warehouse check all they had in stock and all had the same problem. So with the AR10 I would have to consider what original furniture goes for plus a correct FSB and the barrel work to fit it. I'll have to wait and see one in person to make up my mind on it.

**VALMET** · January 27, 2018, 08:37

On the 5.56 guns, the brown and green look way too light compared to “real ones” and spot-on clones.

**gunplumber** · January 27, 2018, 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGG

I am liking the 177, though the vinyl-acetate stock would be more proper!!!

Tony

Yes, and doesn't Troy or Bravo Co offer 177E2 that way?

raubvogel · January 27, 2018, 09:11

Who makes the AR10 receivers Brownells is using? I've never liked the AR15 but when I see a proper looking AR10 with the upper charging handle,

With that said, Brownells was selling a blemo Nodak M16A1 lower in black for $85, but I forgot about it. Now the blemo is $150 (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod107496.aspx), $10 less than you can get a new one from Nodak. Yes, I do have a kit but I think I can wait now...

Steggo · January 27, 2018, 10:55

The "blem" on the $85 Brownells A1 lowers was that they put "SAFE" and "FIRE" markings on the right sidewall of the receiver just like most current production A2 style receivers. Pass. Hard pass.

Nodak provides the basic forgings for the Brownells retro receivers but that is the extent of their involvement.

I went with a lower directly from Nodak. Having NDS machine and hand polish the receiver was definitely worth the extra $10 and several month wait. The lower was so perfect that I almost felt bad driving a roll pin into it. Almost.
Truth is that after you account for the high Brownells shipping and other charges (signature fee?!? WTF?) the NDS was actually cheaper.

**VALMET** · January 27, 2018, 13:15

I haven’t had one of the Brownell’s guns in my hands but can say that I’ve always found NDS stuff to be top-notch.

squid8286 · January 28, 2018, 12:58

I am interested in possibly getting the M16A1 clone from Brownell's at some point in the future. Are these going to be a limited run, or a regular production item?

hansellhd · January 29, 2018, 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by squid8286

I am interested in possibly getting the M16A1 clone from Brownell's at some point in the future. Are these going to be a limited run, or a regular production item?

As long as they sell well I think they will stay in production.

squid8286 · January 30, 2018, 22:44

I hope so. It'll be a while before I can plunk down the $$ for one.

December 03, 2017, 18:17	#1
martian308 Registered FALaholic #: 45617 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Miamisburg, OH Posts: 24	Colt M16A1 Reissue Gents... Any idea when the next batch of Colt M16A1 reissue clones will be released on the market? Thinking about getting one of these for my collection.

December 03, 2017, 18:21	#2
VALMET Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1826 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,092	I have a hard time imagining that Colt will mfg any more unless you know something that I don’t? If they do mfg anymore they’ll surely be horrifically expensive. __________________ "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940. "Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns

December 03, 2017, 20:52	#4
VALMET Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1826 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,092	Unless it has to be a Colt for collecting purposes, you’d likely be better off building a clone on a Colt receiver or a Nodak Spud (there are companies that can add “correct” markings). That project would probably come in at under what a new Colt A1 reissue would cost you. __________________ "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940. "Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns

December 04, 2017, 09:30	#5
OMR_RDTandE Low Speed, High Drag Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 4827 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 942	I've an M16-A1, built with an Apex Colt parts kit, paired with an original Colt barrel, on a Nodak lower. Close enough for my purposes, all Colt except for the lower, and duplicates what I always shot on the range. It's also in much better condition than anything the Corps ever issued me. We won't talk about the beat-to-shit XM16-E1 I carried in Ranger School in '76. __________________ An American perspective for the 21st Century- "I think it's time for us to be less concerned about being liked, and if they're not going to respect us, they should fear us."- Rachach Al-Amriki The rulebook is the last refuge of the incompetent. (With apologies to Isaac Asimov)

December 04, 2017, 11:35	#7
hueyville Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 74557 Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Foothills of the Blueridge Mountains Posts: 5,047	If able to get your FFL to cash in a favor or are an FFL at wholesale would likely be a decent long term investment of they keep production limited. Might even be good investment at MSRP. If Colt goes belly up or dot gov only it would only go up in value. Have quite a few snake guns such as Pythons, Diamondbacks an Anaconda plus 1st and 2nd edition Cobras that were high at $450 to $700 when purchased but all are $2,000 for even a beater now. Pony gun guys will pay the price to join the club or round out a collection. If luck and keeping eyes open to heirs selling stuff on Craigslist or catch them coming in gunshow or called by mutual friend I will add one to my collection if had to sell off my shooter grade Python or a Belgian Hi Power to finance it. Never would have guessed back in the day when there was at least one or two Colt wheelguns in every gun shop display they would stop even making them much less the prices a nice snake gun, especially rare variants command now. Have several have purposely not researched value to resist temptation to sell like did with too many SP1's first cancer diagnosis and could move into ban states for 4x to 5x original investment. __________________ A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3 G.W.T. "If it is worth doing once...it's worth doing it a few more times to get it right." Stimpsonjcat

December 03, 2017, 20:15	#3
gunseller Registered FALaholic #: 10120 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,668	I built one in semi auto several years ago. We were just out shooting it this afternoon. My 16 years old just loves it as it is like the one I carried well over 40 years ago. Steve

December 04, 2017, 11:07	#6
mikeuniform Registered FALaholic #: 46505 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: FL panhandle Posts: 51	You mean this? https://gundigest.com/more/classic-g...-m16a1-reissue For what they're asking, I'm sure there's quite a few left out there.

December 04, 2017, 11:53	#8
pre1989 Registered FALaholic #: 76523 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Red rocks AZ Posts: 434	I will second the above ..At the price point Colt wants for there clones it is cheeper to buy a SP1 which other then markings and being non FA is a M16A1 ...Or go the Nodak rout which is also cheep ..I mean I think troy is making clones which are cheeper but its troy so ...

January 23, 2018, 23:44	#9
Steggo Registered FALaholic #: 6689 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 361	Once again Colt leaves its customers high and dry and another company swoops in to fill the need... RETRO Rifles from 1960, Colt getting dusted like its 1990. I love it when the past comes alive

January 24, 2018, 06:35	#10
VALMET Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1826 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,092	The Brownell’s 7.62 guns look kinda slick. __________________ "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940. "Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns

January 24, 2018, 11:42	#12
steveTA1983 Registered FALaholic #: 80139 Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lake in the hills, IL Posts: 147	I'd be all over one of these if the price wasn't so high. Very slick rifles Brownells is offering

January 24, 2018, 12:32	#14
gunshooter Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 77038 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: DANE WI Posts: 335	WoW! 7.62 x 51! That is one helluva Deer Rifle! That is one helluva price point but not unattainable! Nice rifles!

January 24, 2018, 16:20	#15
AGG Registered FALaholic #: 27127 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,561	I am liking the 177, though the vinyl-acetate stock would be more proper!!! Tony

January 24, 2018, 18:40	#17
martian308 Registered FALaholic #: 45617 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Miamisburg, OH Posts: 24	Brownells really stepped up their game. I'm hoping they put out a Portuguese AR10 clone. I did pick up a Colt reissue M16A1 a few weeks ago. It's nice but I'm not sure yet if it's $2500 worth of nice...time will tell.

January 24, 2018, 18:56	#18
rbgonoles Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 74764 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 1,488	I might have to pull the trigger on the Brownells Dutch Ar10. Looks sweet, but I’ll wait some reviews before plunking down $1700. I have a feeling John Thomas will find a way to make it look more correct. Last edited by rbgonoles; January 24, 2018 at 19:01.

January 24, 2018, 19:35	#19
MontanaGrant Registered FALaholic #: 52664 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MT Posts: 490	damnit...... Now I want one of those AR10's..... And I dont got that kind of cash to drop lol

January 24, 2018, 20:32	#21
rbgonoles Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 74764 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 1,488	I’d be very excited if they fix or if JT can fix the FSB and if they use a correct looking grip. Regardless, it’s awesome offering for those who love Cold War battle rifles.

January 24, 2018, 20:41	#22
VALMET Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1826 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,092	I've already contacted him about it...awaiting reply. __________________ "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940. "Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns

January 24, 2018, 23:24	#23
fly2.0 Member Bronze Contributor Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 79608 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Under fire in Kentucky Posts: 300	You Guy's see Brownells new line coming out ? To pricey for me . 308 & 556 https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/bapi...content=Social __________________ ================================== If it's not a Colt It's a Copy ================================== **************************************** * The Ignore List Works Great *** Can't See it,Can't Hear it,And don't have to look at it ********************************************

January 26, 2018, 16:15	#28
67ray Registered FALaholic #: 80149 Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 13	Some things aren't about money. If you love the reissue and want one it isn't a question about the cost compared to originals. Enjoy the hobby and buy what you can afford.

January 27, 2018, 02:53	#29
Bertellione Registered FALaholic #: 66658 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Washington dc USA Posts: 619	As far as the Colt clones go I think they are over priced and not even made in Colts factory just has the name from what I've read. As far as Brownells AR10 goes the receivers look good but I want to see one in person. The reason for that is I ordered the brown furniture to send of to John to have painted coconut for a 601 build and it is crap. The but stock is cheap and the forend doesn't fit in the retaining cap worth a crap they sent me a second set that had the same problem then had the guys at the warehouse check all they had in stock and all had the same problem. So with the AR10 I would have to consider what original furniture goes for plus a correct FSB and the barrel work to fit it. I'll have to wait and see one in person to make up my mind on it. __________________ Life, liberty, and happiness.Until you have robbed some one of those rights you have not broken the law.That's how it should be anyhow.

January 27, 2018, 08:37	#30
VALMET Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1826 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,092	On the 5.56 guns, the brown and green look way too light compared to “real ones” and spot-on clones. __________________ "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940. "Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns

January 27, 2018, 09:11	#32
raubvogel Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 64403 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,462	Who makes the AR10 receivers Brownells is using? I've never liked the AR15 but when I see a proper looking AR10 with the upper charging handle, With that said, Brownells was selling a blemo Nodak M16A1 lower in black for $85, but I forgot about it. Now the blemo is $150 (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod107496.aspx), $10 less than you can get a new one from Nodak. Yes, I do have a kit but I think I can wait now... __________________ All I'm really asking for here is a knife that will not jam and a unicorn that doesn't need sharpening. Will_Power It's been my experience that all you really need to harvest a deer is a car. They come right through the windshield just fine. 357ross That poop is priceless. MFC Last edited by raubvogel; January 27, 2018 at 09:17.

January 27, 2018, 10:55	#33
Steggo Registered FALaholic #: 6689 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 361	The "blem" on the $85 Brownells A1 lowers was that they put "SAFE" and "FIRE" markings on the right sidewall of the receiver just like most current production A2 style receivers. Pass. Hard pass. Nodak provides the basic forgings for the Brownells retro receivers but that is the extent of their involvement. I went with a lower directly from Nodak. Having NDS machine and hand polish the receiver was definitely worth the extra $10 and several month wait. The lower was so perfect that I almost felt bad driving a roll pin into it. Almost. Truth is that after you account for the high Brownells shipping and other charges (signature fee?!? WTF?) the NDS was actually cheaper.

January 27, 2018, 13:15	#34
VALMET Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1826 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,092	I haven’t had one of the Brownell’s guns in my hands but can say that I’ve always found NDS stuff to be top-notch. __________________ "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is a symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -George Orwell, 1940. "Dammit Smithers this is brain surgery, not rocket science!" -C. Montgomery Burns

January 28, 2018, 12:58	#35
squid8286 Registered FALaholic #: 7276 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,486	I am interested in possibly getting the M16A1 clone from Brownell's at some point in the future. Are these going to be a limited run, or a regular production item?

January 30, 2018, 22:44	#37
squid8286 Registered FALaholic #: 7276 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,486	I hope so. It'll be a while before I can plunk down the $$ for one.

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