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Old November 27, 2017, 19:59   #1
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Can you point me toward a "decent" AR10???

A guy who works in my shop asked me about AR10s which I know pretty much zero about and I have never owned one. He want's one to deer hunt with and plink, and he is on a relatively small budget. I assume the pricing is near bottom now like AR15s?

For an AR15 I would personally recommend an entry level "name brand" like a S&W MP15 sport. What would be something along that line in an AR in 308 rifle?

Also, he asked about a 308 upper to mix & match with a 556 upper on the same lower. I would assume they would need a different buffer spring, but again, I have no knowledge or experience on this 308 AR topic???

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Old November 27, 2017, 20:11   #2
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AR10 lowers and uppers are pretty proprietary. There is no standardization. You have to use a AR10 lower a AR10 upper, and usually from the same manufacturer. I've got 2 Armalite AR10's and they seem to be pretty decent quality. You can pick them up for $1000.
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Old November 27, 2017, 20:34   #3
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Palmetto State Armory has specials on them pretty regular. Can get them cheap as an AR15. I and a few friends have them. No complaints. I have an Armalite AR10 but tend to grab the PSA PA10 more often. They can be had for around $600
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Old November 27, 2017, 21:00   #4
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Certainly go with a complete rifle.

I'd look at the Savage and Ruger offerings, and then run down the list of the usual suspects for everything else. The Ruger is/was offered in a piston drive design, think the Savage is too.
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Old November 27, 2017, 21:19   #5
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Old November 28, 2017, 06:54   #6
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A good entry level AR10 would be the Oracle from DPMS. There are a lot of aftermarket parts compatible with DPMS rifles. Just like AR-15's the sky's the limit onto what you can do to an AR-10 depending what purpose you want it to serve. Another is the Diamondback DB-10; for what you pay, you get good value. I picked up an Alex Pro Fab rifle and it runs flawlessly. I think the prices went up on them.
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Old November 28, 2017, 12:20   #7
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I've been very pleased with the fit and finish on my Aero Precision receivers.
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Old November 28, 2017, 18:37   #8
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Palmetto State Armory has specials on them pretty regular. Can get them cheap as an AR15. I and a few friends have them. No complaints. I have an Armalite AR10 but tend to grab the PSA PA10 more often. They can be had for around $600
Cheaper than $600. They just had a sale on both the PSAGen2 PA10 complete upper and PSAGen2 PA10 complete lower and with two mags added w/free shipping it was $550. They get good reviews on most gun forums.
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Old November 28, 2017, 20:02   #9
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MP 10, light weight, sub moa out of the box, 18" 5R barrel.
More pricey than the PA10, but imo worth the money.

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Old November 28, 2017, 21:20   #10
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PSA PA10 GenII's are a good firearm... but if you have a problem, CS is per nil non-existent.... seriously. You will be promised all sorts of things that will never happen.

So you better hope the PSA is GTG from the get go... with the correct parts

I would suggest a DPMS at this point in time.

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Old November 29, 2017, 00:47   #11
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Savage has a new line of ar10 that is pretty good. I think there was a Black Friday deal for 800$ or so. Also the sw mp10 is good.
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Old November 29, 2017, 06:28   #12
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To the OP, the modern AR10 receivers look like AR15 ones scaled up, so they will not fit as your friend hoped. There is 300 blackout (which always feels like an American answer to the 7.62x39) uppers which should deal with deers just fine. Hell, what's wrong with .223?

I was told a DPMS upper will fit a PSA lower and/or vice versa, but never tried.
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Also, he asked about a 308 upper to mix & match with a 556 upper on the same lower. I would assume they would need a different buffer spring, but again, I have no knowledge or experience on this 308 AR topic???

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One AR type rifle I know of fits this description...Colt CM901

Don't hear much about this 5.56/7.62 Colt anymore.
Expensive, but interesting and likely defunct as a design.

https://www.colt.com/Catalog/Militar...-Carbine-CM901

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Old November 29, 2017, 11:40   #14
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The S&W MP10 seems pretty solid.

I like my SIG 716.
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Old November 29, 2017, 12:51   #15
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I have a RRA, using FAL mags...
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Old November 29, 2017, 14:57   #16
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.308 is one of my most favorite rounds.

There are many choices for this caliber and for me none of them involve the AR10.

I have always viewed AR10 platform as the fat gurl at the dance that is all gussied up and still can not get a dance.

Would your friend be ok with a National Match M1A?

That is wot ScottyB recommends.
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Old November 29, 2017, 15:01   #17
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.308 is one of my most favorite rounds.

There are many choices for this caliber and for me none of them involve the AR10.
We are "birds of a feather" on this topic Scott, but no he wants an AR10.
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PSA PA10 GenII's are a good firearm... but if you have a problem, CS is per nil non-existent.... seriously. You will be promised all sorts of things that ill never happen.

So you better hope the PSA is GTG from the get go... with the correct parts

I would suggest a DPMS at this point in time.
That's how a few friends and myself got ours. I have never had a single issue with mine and actually get better groups with it than an Armalite that I have.
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Old November 30, 2017, 08:12   #19
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I built an Aero M5 I used all Aero parts except the barrel(Rainier Match 18”) and trigger group(Geissilee) and Jp adjustable gas block. It runs great and very accurate. I put a Leupold VX-2 3-9x40 with the custom dial system on it and it’s a damn good shooting rifle.
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Old November 30, 2017, 19:17   #20
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I was told a DPMS upper will fit a PSA lower and/or vice versa, but never tried.

DPMS uppers will NOT fit the PSA PA10 GenII and function properly. ( not trying to "shout" the NOT, just being clear )

However... Aero precision uppers will fit ... and function, but do not match the cosmetic contours of the PSA lower.

I WILL ADD.... who knows if the PSA Upper would work on the Aero lower.....


The PSA lower has fatter side walls on top, while the Aero has lightening cut side walls.

As long as you can live with that... it will work properly.


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Old December 01, 2017, 05:45   #21
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The second generation DPMS rifles are superb platforms. They are not "just another" AR-10 (simply an oversized AR). They were reengineered from the ground up. They are lighter weight, reliable and accurate…. and affordable.
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OP, you wrote relatively small budget, without mentioning how small.

AR-308s are not all standardized interchangeable parts like AR-15s. Upper and Lower Receivers, barrels, BCG, buffer tubes, and some LPK parts are different. If you are going to piece a AR-308 together, it is highly recommended that the Upper, Lower, Barrel, and BCG come from the same manufacturer.

PSA currently has the best prices on complete, and kit AR-308s. Believe it or not, you can order a completely assembled Upper with BCG for $300, and a complete, assembled Lower for $150. You will also have fees due at the LGS where you choose to have the Lower shipped to, but the Upper can go straight to you.
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I love the platform and built one one with a pro fab lower and upper, dpms pattern, accuracy great, but still have a few bugs to work out on lockup. Marks the brass on the ejector rod side of the bolt. And after a few dozen rounds does not go into battery reliably.
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In regard to DMPS Gen II platforms, my favorite is the AP4.

It is the cheapest in the line up, but it is also the lightest, and the most fun IMHO. I also like the lighter weight profile barrel compared the upper end variations. In my opinion, the trivial increase in accuracy of the heavier profile barrel doesn't weight the portability and handiling of the lighter weight rifle. Plus, I don't like the floated handguard offered with the higher end versions... I would rather pick my own. I also prefer a fixed FSB (which the AP4 has).

Later, if you decide to float or go "tacti-cool," you can install any floating handguard, as the GEN II rifles use a standard 5.56 barrel nut. Your options are endless.
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If you need flames:

https://www.classicfirearms.com/dpms...le-model-60560

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Thank you all gents, I have passed on your tips!

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That is a Gen I....just another cookie-cutter porky AR-10. The Gen II rifles are completely different (and lighter) beasts.
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If your friend is still looking, I think these STAG ARs are quality rifles and they're on sale now:

https://www.stagarms.com/stag-10-rifles/

I don't own one and I am not associated with them.
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Old December 18, 2017, 04:04   #29
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Got an email from buddy who purchased this for his new AR 10. Needed recommendations on bushings to put 30 mm scope in its 34mm rings. I buy right size rings or right size scope, don't like bushings. He also wants advice on a night vision device, leaning toward thermal imaging. His last request was for where to get a bipod to mount on his oddball forearm.



Asked what he intended to shoot with 20 MOA elevation built into mount? Was rifle accurate enough for 600 yard shooting. He didn't know what the 20 MOA markings meant. Told him it was going to point his optics in manner might not have enough internal adjustment in scope to set at 100 yards. Might bottom out turret and still not be on target. Then asked how much budget he had for his thermal since 20 MOA mount I would assume he has a long range weapon and wants high magnification. He said needed a good night vision device in the "few hundred dollar range".

When ran down his laundry list from bushings slip buy 34mm scope (has to use 3-12x 30mm scope paid for), max budget for night vision would be an ATN X Sight, then he wants a light on it as well to blind an opponent and the bipod asked him who is going to carry rifle for him. He is messed up worse than me, can hardly walk and he intends to use to patrol his property as a single rifle fit all roles. Told him rifle is going to exceed 20 pounds loaded with 20 rounds, can he fire a 22ish pound weapon off hand if needs to? Answer, that's what bipod is for thus he has to do a belly flop, open bipod and acquire target before firing.

My guess is he will either be to embarrassed to tell me didn't work out rather than sell mount to me when it doesn't. Offered to buy if has trouble with it as have a rifle that needs a 20 MOA rise on optic point of aim and could use two optics at same time. It's so heavy already would only be shot off a table from an armored hide and bullet doesn't even settle into flight path till reaches 500 yards and is said to be minute of man at 1,250 yards but not shot it that far yet. It will only be fired off bags or burly rifle rest.

I see this crap all the time. Just yesterday saw an AR with folding stock (has to be opened to fire so buffer works), big scope, red dot, visible laser, I.R. laser, flashlight, bipod and short tactical bayonet fixed on barrel to top off one of the muzzle devices that has all the sharp points so looks like food processor blades to rip interior of vehicle all to shreds. Some people look at too many ads over at barfcom.

15 pound AR 15 and buddy with AR 10 said has a beta mag purchased at SHOT show so should not have to carry a spare. Bet when he gets done it's a 30 pound rifle. He also has the highest capacity X-Rail on his tactical shotgun.
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I have a Rock River Lr10,2 Ruger Ar762 and 2 palmetto generation 2 ar10’s. One of the palmettos was 460 dollars. I have no complaints about the palmettos.
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I recently put together a PSA PA-10. I first purchased the lower with the A2 Stock

I later purchased a 20" upper (including BCG and charging handle) with rifle length gas.

My research prior to purchase showed feedback reporting the PSA 18" mid-length gas rifles as sort of "over gassed". They work better/smoother with adjustable gas system.

I've not decided if I will go with adjustable gas or not. My rifle has reasonable accuracy and the rifle length gas system does not seem to be over-gassed. Although any 308 direct impingement probably system would likely benefit from adjustable gas...

I would say that the Palmetto represents a considerable value.
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Old December 21, 2017, 20:31   #32
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Just to clarify, the PSA PA10 GenII is a GTG .308 AR.

I am quite happy with mine, and can find my "review and fixes" over here..

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry...284190/?page=1

But I do stand by the parts comments.

Here is a 20rd group of sanitized DAG, 100yds benched , scoped bagged., rapid fired..




Certainly acceptable for cheap surplus.
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Owner of goofy mount I posted above to go on his Palmetto AR 10 called and wanted to know if I had a set of 34mm to 1" bushings. Said turns out he has a 1" scope and can't find bushings to install his scope in mount. Told him had never seen bushings that size and why not buy the right size mount/rings or scope? Said wants to put both day scope and night vision on his new Palmetto AR 10 along with other accessories.

My question was how much internal adjustment did his scope have and he asked what did it matter. Turns out he is going to mount a scope with only 60 MOA adjustment in 20 MOA rise mount which will give him 50 clicks up and 10 clicks down of vertical adjustment at 100 yards. Plan is now to put a set of 34mm to 30mm bushings then 30mm to 1" bushings in the bigger bushings so scope fits. Would anyone else consider putting two sets of plastic bushings in set of 34mm rings to make a 1" scope fit?

He still doesn't understand what the 20 MOA "rise" really means. All that matters is ability to put a Gen 1 I.R. illuminated night vision and his fixed power scope on top of same rifle. What do you do when someone doesn't seem to understand? With any luck it will be too heavy to carry and he will back up and do something different. Has ordered a bipod, laser, tactical light and vertical grip to go on said rifle as well. Think he is looking for this in an AR 10.

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