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fnogger · November 19, 2017, 22:57

A post on FB about gas setting got me to wondering...

I've always set my gas to where it would function properly, and then ignored it. I've also never served, participated in 2 way range exercises, or even put more than 100 rounds or so in one sitting through any of the FALs I've owned over the years.

So... any documented or even anecdotal evidence of someone *needing* to adjust gas in the field?

**308/223shooter** · November 19, 2017, 23:40

I fielded a M-16A1, so didn't have any adjustment available. That said, the troopies using FNs, I never never thought to ask about it. I do remember the only cleaning I ever saw them do, was to pull a patch through the bore. Bloody FNs were more reliable than getting the shits from the local water.

Douglas Wozny · November 20, 2017, 12:16

When adjusting the gas regulator the manual states that after determining the setting that locks the bolt back every time the gas regulator should be closed an additional two (2) "clicks". This setting should take care of everything with the exception of VERY EXTREME situations (bad ammunition, extreme environment, poorly maintained weapon). In general there is not need the soldier to "play" with the gas adjustment under normal conditions.

1911Ron · November 20, 2017, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Douglas Wozny

When adjusting the gas regulator the manual states that after determining the setting that locks the bolt back every time the gas regulator should be closed an additional two (2) "clicks". This setting should take care of everything with the exception of VERY EXTREME situations (bad ammunition, extreme environment, poorly maintained weapon). In general there is not need the soldier to "play" with the gas adjustment under normal conditions.

I agree, no real need to "adjust" the gas once set unless an extreme situation arose.

**tdb59** · November 20, 2017, 15:44

Adjusting the regulator can be required for proper function at certain FAL matches in the S.E. United States, or so I have heard.

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C2A1 · November 20, 2017, 18:46

Guys in Syria had problems. They had who knows what ammo and the FAL was passed over for AKs and G3s. It is that article about FAL trafficking that shows the FAL was up in value among the rebels and then tanked. Lybia they had govt, stores they used so they had batches of good dtuff.

klaus486 · November 20, 2017, 20:39

So far in the many books I've read about conflicts Rhodesia, Southern Africa, and the British in various places no one has mentioned it. Not once.

I seem to recall someone stating that they always just closed the regulator so they had full gas and never worried about it...but I can't remember where I saw that.

fnogger · November 20, 2017, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus486

So far in the many books I've read about conflicts Rhodesia, Southern Africa, and the British in various places no one has mentioned it. Not once.

I seem to recall someone stating that they always just closed the regulator so they had full gas and never worried about it...but I can't remember where I saw that.

That's what I'm wondering about - surely there must be a guy somewhere sitting on a bar stool "yeah they were coming and we'd been shooting sooo much my gun was dirty, well, I just cranked that gas valve all the way open and kept going until the muzzle break melted off!" or some BS....

Douglas Wozny · November 21, 2017, 08:24

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Originally Posted by fnogger

That's what I'm wondering about - surely there must be a guy somewhere sitting on a bar stool "yeah they were coming and we'd been shooting sooo much my gun was dirty, well, I just cranked that gas valve all the way open and kept going until the muzzle break melted off!" or some BS....

At which point you throw the BS flag and say if it was "all the way open" you just turned your select fire automatic rifle into a manual operated straight pull rifle and it would be really hard to melted the muzzle break off in that mode. Then you walk away. Back in the day we called those gut REMF's or PX Commandos.

meltblown · November 21, 2017, 08:38

Most demill kits I got, the regulator was closed off.

Clonehead · November 21, 2017, 12:24

I just had to adjust the gas on my STG58 a couple of days ago. Normally runs fine on 4 but there was a big drop in temperature (50 degrees to about 30) from my last trip to the range and I needed to close the gas by two clicks to run reliably.

Douglas Wozny · November 21, 2017, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Clonehead

I just had to adjust the gas on my STG58 a couple of days ago. Normally runs fine on 4 but there was a big drop in temperature (50 degrees to about 30) from my last trip to the range and I needed to close the gas by two clicks to run reliably.

Temperature has a big effect on the performance of propellants. In the field artillery the temperature of the propellant was a factor when we registered. So a drop of 20 degrees F would most likely necessitate an adjustment.

November 19, 2017, 22:57	#1
fnogger Registered FALaholic #: 51053 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: places Posts: 2,360	any instances of ... A post on FB about gas setting got me to wondering... I've always set my gas to where it would function properly, and then ignored it. I've also never served, participated in 2 way range exercises, or even put more than 100 rounds or so in one sitting through any of the FALs I've owned over the years. So... any documented or even anecdotal evidence of someone needing to adjust gas in the field? __________________ Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others

November 19, 2017, 23:40	#2
308/223shooter FALAholic enabler Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pacific northwest Posts: 5,918	I fielded a M-16A1, so didn't have any adjustment available. That said, the troopies using FNs, I never never thought to ask about it. I do remember the only cleaning I ever saw them do, was to pull a patch through the bore. Bloody FNs were more reliable than getting the shits from the local water. __________________ What if the Mystery Babalon described in Revelation, which is destroyed by the nations of the North, is actually America?

November 20, 2017, 12:16	#3
Douglas Wozny Registered FALaholic #: 4255 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 752	When adjusting the gas regulator the manual states that after determining the setting that locks the bolt back every time the gas regulator should be closed an additional two (2) "clicks". This setting should take care of everything with the exception of VERY EXTREME situations (bad ammunition, extreme environment, poorly maintained weapon). In general there is not need the soldier to "play" with the gas adjustment under normal conditions. __________________ The Wizard Air Dropable AND Ground Recoverable War is an act of force and to the application of that force there is no limit! So say the philosophers (Carl von Clausewitz b 1780 d 1831) of war. Necat omnes! Deus suos agnoscet. The application of the proper amount of high explosives can solve any problem.

November 20, 2017, 15:44	#5
tdb59 Does this smell funny ? Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 63177 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ironsman.com Posts: 9,424	Adjusting the regulator can be required for proper function at certain FAL matches in the S.E. United States, or so I have heard. ........................ __________________ "Go see some old friends. Drink some punch, visit with what's-her-name. Don't kill anybody for a few days -- see what it feels like." ...............

November 21, 2017, 08:38	#10
meltblown Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 34604 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SA Tx Posts: 11,806	Most demill kits I got, the regulator was closed off. __________________ Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Expect the worst, and you'll never be disappointed. Before trying to beat the odds, make sure you can survive the odds beating you.

November 20, 2017, 18:46	#6
C2A1 Registered FALaholic #: 15514 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,498	Guys in Syria had problems. They had who knows what ammo and the FAL was passed over for AKs and G3s. It is that article about FAL trafficking that shows the FAL was up in value among the rebels and then tanked. Lybia they had govt, stores they used so they had batches of good dtuff.

November 20, 2017, 20:39	#7
klaus486 Registered FALaholic #: 75880 Join Date: May 2015 Location: Portland OR Posts: 167	So far in the many books I've read about conflicts Rhodesia, Southern Africa, and the British in various places no one has mentioned it. Not once. I seem to recall someone stating that they always just closed the regulator so they had full gas and never worried about it...but I can't remember where I saw that.

November 21, 2017, 12:24	#11
Clonehead Registered FALaholic #: 27461 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 373	I just had to adjust the gas on my STG58 a couple of days ago. Normally runs fine on 4 but there was a big drop in temperature (50 degrees to about 30) from my last trip to the range and I needed to close the gas by two clicks to run reliably.

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