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Old April 07, 2014, 14:44   #1
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Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

State sanctioned murder in progress, **** with the arbitrary law regarding a tortoise and prepare for death. Certainly any murder that is going to occur will be justified as policy procedure.

Ill cover the typical statist responses so we don't have to endure them.

"Its the law"
" He should just comply and this wouldn't happen"
" This is for public safety "
" This is for his own good"
"he needs to be taught a lesson "
" If everyone did what they want then everyone would lose their sensibilities and rape and murder everything "

Well im sure i missed some, but you get the point.



Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

Ruby Ridge-style standoff brewing as Bundy says he is prepared to be killed



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A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.

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Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.

“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.

Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.

“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.

Accusing feds of seizing Nevada’s sovereignty, Bundy says he has fought the battle legally, through the media, and is now gearing up to fight it physically.

“Armed agents are forming a a military-like staging area to prevent anyone from approaching the area,” writes Mike Paczesny.

Bundy asserts that his case is emblematic of how America has been transformed into a “police state,” labeling the government’s actions “pathetic”.

Hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle on Saturday as Bundy accused them of “trespassing,” adding that the impact will only serve to raise beef prices for residents of Las Vegas 80 miles away.






Feds postponed a similar raid in 2012 over fears the action would spur violence. Bundy has drawn a lot of support from the local community and protesters are heading to the area to demand authorities back off. Officials have created a taped off “First Amendment Area” where demonstrators can voice their concerns. A sign placed inside the area reads “Welcome to Amerika – Wake Up” alongside a hammer and sickle logo.

“The rights were created for us,” Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. “I have the right to use the forage. I have water rights. I have access rights. I have range improvement rights, and I claim all the other rights that the citizens of Nevada have, whether it’s to camp, to fish or to go off road.”

Addressing the justification of seizing the cattle to protect a species of tortoise, Bundy stated, “I’ll never get it. If it weren’t for our cattle, there’d be more brush fires out here. The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”

The standoff has echoes of the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, during which Randy Weaver, accused of selling an ATF agent two illegal sawed-off shotguns, became embroiled in a tragic confrontation with the the United States Marshals Service (USMS) and the FBI, resulting in the death of Weaver’s son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan.

The story also brings back memories of New Hampshire couple Ed and Elaine Brown, who were involved in a nine month standoff with armed law enforcement and feds as a result of their refusal to pay income tax. The Browns were later convicted of “plotting to kill federal agents” because of their refusal to surrender and were both given de facto life sentences.


In a series of YouTube videos, Cliven Bundy and his wife outline the background behind their decision to take a stand against the feds, arguing that their fight is a constitutionally-driven line in the sand to push back against the usurpation of big government.

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Government plans to euthanize hundreds of desert tortoises after budget cuts to refuge
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A combination of federal budget austerity and the dramatic decline of the Nevada housing market may claim some unlikely victims: desert tortoises.

The Desert Tortoise Conservation Center — a 23-year-old federal refuge in Las Vegas for the threatened species — has collected only $290,000 from its primary funding source of local developer fees over the last 11 months, the AP reports. The center can’t count on the Bureau of Land Management, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or Nevada Department of Wildlife to make up the shortfall on the center’s $1 million annual operating budget because of federal and state budget constraints.

The result? Center administrators are planning to close the 220-acre facility in 2014 and euthanize about half of the 1400 tortoises under their protection, the AP reports. No more than 100,000 of the desert tortoises are believed to exist in the wild. Most of the tortoises there are former pets returned to their habitat once the government classified the species as threatened — one step short of endangered. And most are too feeble to be returned to the wild, the AP reports.
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If they go through with this without an armed confrontation, say goodbye to any and all future confrontations to stand up to tyranny. BLM snipers ? There must be snipers for every occasion these days.
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Old April 07, 2014, 16:27   #4
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To understand he government, you have to use a bit of imagination.

A huge body, like the Brontosaurus had--- was full of individual cells...all dumb, averaged out. The Federal Government is like the Brontosaurus.....way way too big.

The cells that make it up....both the Brotosaurus and the Fed, must be averaged...a few smart cells--grey matter, and a lot of cells dedicated to evil and bad--the colon, for example, is was the largest part of the Brontosaurus.... and the Federal Government too-- the asshole section and full of shit.

In any case the overwhelming shit produced poisoned the small brain of the Brontosaurus with its size and smell, and it also had to eat constantly with the smell of shit in its nostrils--it ate everything it saw.....good bad, evil, indifferent, inatimate, whatever......... as long as it kept eating it was alive.

The Fed government takes in tax money, and taxpayers, and citizens and whatever it wants to eat, at the same general rate and turns it all into shit and this is what is happening in this case.

The Brain of the Brontosauruas is like Obama--it just lies there and lies there.......lying all the time, directing the foraging and the shitting out..... a bit involuntarily.... but like the Obamcare decision at the SCOTUS, sometimes the shit is on autopilot and diareaha results and overwhelms the whole being.

The land around the Brontosaurus where the smartest cavemen live and the dumbest too-- a far higher species IQ wise than the average Neanderthal, the smartest tea party cavemen know that to survive the Brontosaurus that you have to outwit it and throw stones at it to divert it from its mass destruction and get it to go over a cliff--- upcoming elections are like a cliff for the Brontosaurus head case, (choom), as it may find itself severed from the direct control of the colon............ and that my boys will really be a case that will require a T Rex sized dose of ExLax.

This current showdown is just one of many that the Brontosaurus has deemed it wants to have and from dusty roads, to coal, to oil pipelines, to sugar, to cutting the space program and military, the brontosaurus must eat now before it it too late to harvest the last this land has to offer and use up those damn white railroad cars.

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Didn't the Brontosaurus have a brain the size of a walnut?



I'm just not getting what the fuss is - it's not like he's strip mining or putting in a landfill. I don't see an immediate impact on tortoises.
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The fuss is all Federal. I hope some locals do more than stand in the Fed-approved First Amendment Zone.

What a shame.
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I still wonder what the feds got to do with it. To me it is just a matter that ought to be handled by local authorities.
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Distract ? I don't think that would do much good.

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If they go through with this without an armed confrontation, say goodbye to any and all future confrontations to stand up to tyranny. BLM snipers ? There must be snipers for every occasion these days.
I hope this is just the beginning of many such instances. I also hope the power-crazed apes come to their senses before blood gushes, but perhaps that is what is required for their true modus operandi to be once again thrust into the public's field of view for a few minutes. Hopefully that few minutes will awaken a few more patriots.

For the record, I don't even care whether this guy is on the right or wrong side of the law. The issue in my eyes is the outrageously off-scale response offered by our uber-militarized agencies--agencies, which have no direct accountability, and only limited indirect accountability to the voting public. This shit has gotten out of hand, and this kind of response is only used to scare, threaten, and intimidate the public when there is absolutely no justification, Constitutional or otherwise, for such naked aggression.
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if this shit happens in Texas I think I'll make the journey .It happened once here. Next time I think the Patriot cavalry will come, hope they do for this American. Keepin the gas tank topped off.
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I don't see an immediate impact on tortoises.

Cows will lick them sometimes. Vigorously.
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Distract ? I don't think that would do much good.

And it's an even bet that my watch is worth somewhere between $250K and $1M. And I have lots of them.

Nice watch.
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I wonder what would happen if the feds who are allegedly "surrounding" 600,000 acres got surrounded themselves, by a "2nd Amendment Area" consisting of the citizens?
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I wonder what would happen if the feds who are allegedly "surrounding" 600,000 acres got surrounded themselves, by a "2nd Amendment Area" consisting of the citizens?

You already know what would happen. They would panic.
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And it's an even bet that my watch is worth somewhere between $250K and $1M. And I have lots of them.

Nice watch.
Piaget? One off?
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You already know what would happen. They would panic.
And?
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And?
Very likely the shooting would start. There wouldn't be anybody with a windbreaker with those silkscreened TLA's left alive. Nor their dogs, their vehicles would be burned, their aircraft either trashed or stolen, and the local news people would be astounded that there is no one around to interview.

It's coming.

ETA: The saddest part by far is they want it to. They need this. Not the one will be spent, the ones wearing loafers.
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Very likely the shooting would start. There wouldn't be anybody with a windbreaker with those silkscreened TLA's left alive. Nor their dogs, their vehicles would be burned, their aircraft either trashed or stolen, and the local news people would be astounded that there is no one around to interview.

It's coming.
In other words, a lesson was learned in 1993.
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In other words, a lesson was learned in 1993.

I hope to God it was.
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This guy need a loosing.

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Wonder if he'd like to own a Piaget?
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First Idaho and now Nevada?
Well, if they want to start a war with the Westerners...bring it on. Seems like they aren't afraid of shooting us, so they'd better be very careful. We're better shots than them.
Seriously though...this has been an ongoing court battle for the last 20 years. The ranchers have been there before the BLM even existed. They have managed the land and provided stewardship.
Come to think of it, why should the Federal government own over 50% of the land out west? Either grant it to the states or sell it to the people who live there. We'll donate some big chunks for bases and missle silos, just give us our land. Why not open it up for homesteading?
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nothing will happen. bloviation.
the indians know what the fed gov is capable of. the prairie chicken is now being used to deprive prople of their property & rights.
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The standoff has echoes of the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, during which Randy Weaver, accused of selling an ATF agent two illegal sawed-off shotguns, became embroiled in a tragic confrontation with the the United States Marshals Service (USMS) and the FBI, resulting in the death of Weaver’s son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan.

Well, "everyone knows" an (arbitrarily-defined) "short" barreled shotgun would cause... The Collapse of Western Civilization™, within a WEEK, and TWO SBSes--by G-d!--would do it OVERNIGHT!...

... And you know what happens to teh cheel-dren after that. Well, it's the same with tortoises.

PS: anyone got the map/GPS co-ords of this citizen's "compound" (fka his house)... I'm thinking the 4th Year of the 2nd Decade of Duh 21st Century is about ripe for a civilian-operated drone to experience "CFIT" over a puffed-up "command center"... hey, it's new-ish technology, used by county property appraisers, real estate developers, etc... accidents happen. Oops, gotta file that form with Duh FAA...

Seriously, if you don't have a drone with hi-res "eyes", are your 1st Amendment rights really covered?
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the indians know what the fed gov is capable of...
More like the other way 'round.
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Piaget? One off?
I was thinking Patek Philippe or Vacheron Constantin, but even these brands do "almost" one-offs or complete customs. There are other firms, like Lange & Sohne that do crazy stuff.

Maybe he's "satisfied" with a watch that other people also wear, but somehow I doubt it. I'm betting one-off.
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From here the Bundy Ranch is about 16hrs and Yes the Goons need to be dealt with. Checked it out, serious happenings.
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If that land didn't belong to the .gov it would belong to someone else right? What gives the fella the right to graze his heard on land he doesn't own?

He quits paying 20 years ago because they won't let him run all the cattle he wants there, so naturally they revoke his lease.

This has been going on a long long time. He's had plenty of time to find another lease.

I guess he wants to ruin his life?
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I have no particular like of ranchers, BUT, the man has had the water rights for the area and made water available thru his family since 1877, just the way the Gov. is going about it is a sham. Mr. Bundy IS Grandfathered in, Before there was ever a BLM.
Many Local people support Mr. Bundy and his support is growing, maybe a showdown is brewing, where is that A10 or attack chopper when ya need one.
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Yes, its all fun and games until you realize they ( the banks) count their loans as assets on the books and create new "money" out of thin air, and loan it out plus interest. Then they can pay for all of that.

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Unfortunately Bill Still, does not have a solution that does not include a proven corrupt congress/government, that's why it should be left to free individuals to choose what money is and how they conduct business.

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Thank You for posting this Nattyice. The UTube video's are very revealing.
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And it's an even bet that my watch is worth somewhere between $250K and $1M. And I have lots of them.

Nice watch.
I believe that's a minimum half million dollar Patek Philippe perpetual chrono - who knows if it has some added twist to jack the price higher?
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RSU you ain't from around these parts are you.
You have the very same attitude some of the locals have when I go to Wyoming and hunt national forest. A small handful of them act like it is their land, and I'm trespassing.

Couple years back I was sitting at the camp talking to a couple of them and they said although they liked us there were friends of theirs that would have nothing to do with out of staters hunting on their land. I reached in my jacket and pulled out my hunting license issued by THEIR state giving me permission to shoot a deer. They didn't have much to say after that.


I hope no one gets hurt, but there is fault on both sides.
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A little off topic, but it puts the larger scam in scope for the public. Its all for the banks.

War is a Racket by Smedley Butler
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Distract ? I don't think that would do much good.

$500 trillion. BS. Come on man, everything you read on the internet is not true.
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Facebook page of Bundy's grand-daughter ? that has a lot of info on this struggle if anyone is interested. One of my friends linked it on his page.

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$500 trillion. BS. Come on man, everything you read on the internet is not true.
Yea when you can print money out of thin air (accounting tricks), you can buy what you want.

There is a lot more to it, but if you work for their private credit, then you are their slave.

The creditor is the master and the debtor is the slave.

The national debt goes one way ,UP. That's because you nor the government can pay a debt with another debt (to a sane person). Since congress writes the laws, and gets paid by them ,they do their bidding.

When you use their debt as money ,the property you buy with it becomes the creditors.







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You have the very same attitude some of the locals have when I go to Wyoming and hunt national forest. A small handful of them act like it is their land, and I'm trespassing.

Couple years back I was sitting at the camp talking to a couple of them and they said although they liked us there were friends of theirs that would have nothing to do with out of staters hunting on their land. I reached in my jacket and pulled out my hunting license issued by THEIR state giving me permission to shoot a deer. They didn't have much to say after that.


I hope no one gets hurt, but there is fault on both sides.
So I guess it's OK for the Federal government to "own" 82% of the land in Nevada. That is only 18% of the land allowed to private and State ownership. Maybe you might want to do some research on the Sagebrush Rebellion. The federal government is bullying and punishing ranchers in the west. If they want water rights that are held by private citizens, the first thing they do is rescind grazing permits as a retaliatory measure. I guess thats OK huh?
All it takes is for one ill-willed bureaucrat at the Forrest Service, BLM or Department the Interior and your way of life is put into jeopardy. Remember in that country it takes over 350 acres to run one cow. Ranchers could not survive without grazing allotments and they have been passed down through the generations.

As far as hunting rights go, if you bought an out of state permit, that is perfectly legal and a much needed revenue source for local conservation programs. You see, we live here. We take care of the land because our children will most likely live here too, that and it's just the right thing to do. When you go home after your hunt we'll still be here in our home. And you have a right to tell us how to run our land? Bull shit.

One of the "reasons" the BLM is using to impound and steal the ranchers cattle is "overgrazing" and it's effects on the desert tortoises. Well, after twenty odd years of grazing restictions and denials, the tortoises are about gone. The inactivity has destroyed the land and their food sources. Where there was once vegetation there is now desert asphalt. The feds just don't get it and they would rather side with the environmentalists and close down land that has been managed and cared for for decades and sometimes centuries by a ranch family. The land needs grazers to complete the fertility cycle. Mob grazing is used to repair inactive and unproductive land. It helps to plant the seeds and break up the cementing of top soils and adds much needed fertilization.
But no, you dictate to the locals, and God forbid they don't listen to the Government and their interests. Years of knowledge overturned by college taught theories that many times are endorsed by the big mono-culture agricultural companies and anti-everything tree huggers.
Have you seen any videos of this guy? He is salt of the earth. This is looking more and more like the Clinton years and the liberal facism that occured then. When will the government learn they are not our masters? Time to end the Bureaucratic fiefdoms threatening our time honored way of life.
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it's hard for easterners to understand the huge amounts of land and water controlled by the fedgov in the west.
http://hitekconsulting.com/the-state...overnment.html
about 41% of new mexico is fed gov land. mining, logging & ranching have been decimated by fedgov regulations. so what's left? now that barry runs the show his radical minions in the epa, uscoe, park service, blm, doi, are inhospitable lords. ranchers are very high on their hate list.

the prairie chicken is the latest example of fedgov control
"This is an emergency situation that requires the strongest protections possible," said Jay Lininger, senior scientist with the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity. "Instead, the Fish and Wildlife Service turned its back and relied on voluntary conservation plans that only amount to a wink and a nod with no accountability."
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ranchers are getting scarce around here. the cost of fuel alone is driving them out of business and look at the cost of meat now.
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When you use their debt as money ,the property you buy with it becomes the creditors.




It's not so much that, as the fact that the current money system, authorized in 1933 as an emergency measure and still in place today, is in character a sort of Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization.

It has two purposes by design: First, to legally encumber all property in the country, including property in labor, and; Second, to lead inevitably to a default, leaving the alleged "creditors" as owner of all.

It is and was from inception a scam. It deserves much more attention and study than it gets, even from the otherwise well-informed.
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I'm siding with roadmarker on this one.
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