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Old April 30, 2002, 22:27   #1
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ID: Lithgow Inch-Pattern semi receivers (or east of Eden!)

Some time back I saw pictures of an inch pattern upper receiver made by SAF Lithgow. It had importer marks along the lines of "Eden International" in Florida. Since "SAF" Lithgow's name has changed, I am assuming that this receiver came into the country in the early 1990s. My question is this: How many were imported and for how long? Were there any other importers than "Eden"? Is anyone aware of attempts to import inch pattern uppers from ADI Lithgow?
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Old April 30, 2002, 22:58   #2
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ADI at Lithgow no longer has tha capacity to manufacture L1A1's or parts...all of the equipment and such was sold off around 1991 or 2. They are making a few other products out there but I thik it would be a cold day in hell before they tooled up for SLRs again.

Mind you...I can feel a chill in the air..

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Old April 30, 2002, 23:42   #3
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To Andy the Aussie:

Thanks for the heads-up on ADI at Lithgow. I found it curious that it was possible to buy locking shoulder sets from them, but who knows now? Your statement about a cold wind blowing makes me think that we should all be grateful that the production lines are still operating in Brazil.
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Old May 01, 2002, 08:20   #4
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Seems like there is an Aussie company making M1 Garand receivers for the US Market.

Is that SAF Lithgow or another vendor?
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Old May 01, 2002, 18:51   #5
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Best rumor has it that it is ADI at Lithgow making the Garand receivers....but I have yet to see or hear ot for myself.

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The Eden import Lithgow receivers are to inch receivers what Imbel is to metric receivers.
They are (were) made at a Gov't. arms manufacturer, and reek of quality. They are pre-ban (imported prior to 1989 import ban) and were built up in the US on (mainly) British L1A1 kits. The Lithgow receivers markings differ from the military production markings by having an "A" added to the L1A1 designator (i.e. "L1A1A").
If you can get one at a decent price, I'd snap it up. The "Poyer" Aussie L1A1 imports are quite $$$, the Eden Aussie L1A1 imports are the bargain pre-ban inch rifles, and are sometimes referred to as "The poor-man's Poyer"
Mine sure is nice...

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Old May 01, 2002, 20:00   #7
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Eden receivers where brought into the US after Lithgow sold its surplus equipment and parts. Parts of these items sold off were partly completed L1A1 receivers. These were then finished off in the States and used to build EDEN and ONYX rifles.

The biggest and most important thing to look for when looking at these rifles is to check to see if there is a proof mark on the underside of the body , just in front of the magazine well (Crossed flags with Crown on top with a 'P' underneath) To date all EDEN & ONYX rifles that I have had checked are devoid of this factory proof test mark!

The other marking to look for and should be in the same place as the proof mark is the Steel Batch Mark. This Mark is unrecorded in the official factory lists and is: 'ABN'

It seems only these ONYX and EDEN rifles have this and it is most likely to have been added after the receivers had been machined in the States.

Personally I would never, ever, fire one of these rifles as they have NO factory proof test mark! Basically your gambling with your life.
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Old May 01, 2002, 20:41   #8
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Originally posted by Andy the Aussie:
ADI at Lithgow no longer has tha capacity to manufacture L1A1's or parts...all of the equipment and such was sold off around 1991 or 2. They are making a few other products out there but I thik it would be a cold day in hell before they tooled up for SLRs again.

Mind you...I can feel a chill in the air..

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Maybe. But they're doing a run of Garand receivers. And they're the source of the repro Winchester 1887 lever-action 12-gauge shotguns that have the interest of cowboy action shooters now, as well.
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You are spot on there Archy....like I said....maybe I can feel a chill in the air....I KNOW you can at Lithgow...that is aone cold hole of a place....(all respects to Aussie Screw who use to live out there)...!!!

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Old May 02, 2002, 10:21   #10
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To date all EDEN & ONYX rifles that I have had checked are devoid of this factory proof test mark!

The other marking to look for and should be in the same place as the proof mark is the Steel Batch Mark. This Mark is unrecorded in the official factory lists and is: 'ABN'

It seems only these ONYX and EDEN rifles have this and it is most likely to have been added after the receivers had been machined in the States.


Kevin, my Onyx appears to have been completly finished at Lithgow. It is proofed and dated 1985.

My Poyer appears to have the ABN body batch mark and is dated 1983.

The Eden appears to have had only the body batch mark applied at Lithgow and is dated 1986. It is very clear that it is more highly polished than the other Aussies.

Interesting point about the safety issue.

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Old September 19, 2003, 11:59   #11
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I have a 1985 Onyx that is proofed as Brian's
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Old September 20, 2003, 01:31   #12
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You are spot on there Archy....like I said....maybe I can feel a chill in the air....I KNOW you can at Lithgow...that is aone cold hole of a place....(all respects to Aussie Screw who use to live out there)...!!!

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Actually Andy it's a S##T of a place, no mistake on that. Put in four years there before the Department offered me a transfer to warmer climates. Never yelled out "YES" down the phone so quick in all my life!!

As for the Garand receivers from ADI Lithgow, you can take it as gospel from me that they were produced there a coupla years ago. Dont know who for or for how long but I actually saw them on a bench for final inspection.

And as far as the tooling for the L1A1's, it was sold to .......wait for it...... INDONESIA!! Rumour has it that they made up a few (dozen or hundred??) at some stage. A little scary to be selling that shit to a nation that has expansionist ideas. I believe that they also bought the production tooling for the OWEN MACHINE CARBINE too.

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You mean like the US Selling scrap metal to the Japanese prior to WWII? At least the US did not disarm it's population at the same time!
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Old June 09, 2004, 23:17   #14
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Question Eden L1a1 receivers

Hello all,
I am new to this site-good topics here!I am a little confused about my Eden International receiver. I've had this rifle since 1987 . It is an Eden built on a british kit. There are proof marks (crown under flags with a P) and ABN below that.They are in front of the mag well. The serial # 860026 S.A.F. Lithgow is also
properly marked. Is this a proofed receiver? I have a couple thousand rounds through this gun with no problems. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Yup, yours is proofed. Seems the receivers came into the US in varying degrees if completeness.
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Old March 21, 2005, 03:29   #16
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I owned ONYX ARMS Inc, located in Helena, Bozeman and Great Falls, Montana, USA. From 1984 to 1989

Onyx Arms was an Importer, manufacturer, and NFA manufacturer of Firearms.

I did import Complete L1A1 (A) Semi-automatic Rifles and COMPLETE RECEIVERS from Lithgow Arsenal in Australia, In the years 1984, 1985, 1986. I never purchased or imported any incomplete receivers and finished them in the United States. ALL my receivers WERE 100% made at lithgow and are proofed as such.

ATF. directed my company to mark these Receivers with the designation L1A1A

In 1986 Lithgow informed my company that they were re-tooling and would not be able to make any more semiautomatic receivers.

In 1987 I then contracted with SBL in Israel to manufacture Complete FAL receivers using FN Belgium forgings. This was done in the Years of 1987 and 1988, these receivers were made in several different styles, type 1,2 and 3, but all marked SBL and Onyx Arms, GTF , MT,

These SBL receivers are in no way connected with any other importer.

The first two digits of all of the receivers Israel or Australian are the year of production.

I did make complete rifles using Belgium, British, Australian and Israel kits that I also imported.

I also sold receivers direct to dealers.

I also did make NFA weapons.

I have seen pictures of several FALís that are marked ONYX but are not my receivers.

Should you have any questions you can contact me at this address.
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Thanks for the interesting information. It's always good to here from the original importers or manufactures of guns from the past.

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Eden receivers where brought into the US after Lithgow sold its surplus equipment and parts. Parts of these items sold off were partly completed L1A1 receivers. These were then finished off in the States and used to build EDEN and ONYX rifles.

The biggest and most important thing to look for when looking at these rifles is to check to see if there is a proof mark on the underside of the body , just in front of the magazine well (Crossed flags with Crown on top with a 'P' underneath) To date all EDEN & ONYX rifles that I have had checked are devoid of this factory proof test mark!

The other marking to look for and should be in the same place as the proof mark is the Steel Batch Mark. This Mark is unrecorded in the official factory lists and is: 'ABN'

It seems only these ONYX and EDEN rifles have this and it is most likely to have been added after the receivers had been machined in the States.

Personally I would never, ever, fire one of these rifles as they have NO factory proof test mark! Basically your gambling with your life.
My Eden SLR has both the Lithgow crossed flag proof and ABN batch marks. The receiver reeks of quality. The rest of the gun has matching serials and is in unissued condition, right down to the early type wooden furniture, the markings of which match the serial for year. It's a very nice gun! I don't hesitate to shoot it.

There may be Eden recievers out there that lack the Lithgow proof, but these boards would be alight with the news if they were failing during firing. I've not seen a single mention of a problem such as this. You might just be talking yourself out of owning a very nice gun, as well as spreading disinformation.

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This was the company that got allot of the unfinished L1a1 receivers.http://www.thedealershowroom.com/page/page/1222170.htm
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Best rumor has it that it is ADI at Lithgow making the Garand receivers....but I have yet to see or hear ot for myself.

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I have a Garand receiver made by Lithgow. It is in a box in the garage. I bought it new in maybe 03 it think.
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I had the great fortune to visit Lithgow Museum a few years ago. The volunteer staff were very accommodating and took great pride in the work they were doing to keep the history alive.

They made me feel like an honored guest. If you ever have the opportunity to visit, DON'T Hesitate. It is two hours train ride west of Sydney.

If you have a 1933 Lithgow 303. They would love to talk with you about adding it to their collection. There were only about 50 manufactured that year and they do not have a sample of that production run.



This is a photo looking into a single shot FAL receiver.

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