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Old November 23, 2010, 20:23   #1
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Izzy's in action (photos)

After seeing the thread on SUIT Trilux scopes and whether if any had ever been actually mounted on an Israeli FAL I went through several pictures I had been collecting. None show a SUIT, or any scope for that matter, but I thought some might enjoy seeing these pictures of Israeli FAL's in action...































Do you have any pictures of Izzy FAL's to add?
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Old November 23, 2010, 20:29   #2
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Old November 23, 2010, 20:32   #3
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Re: Izzy's in action (photos)







At last, a pic of the FAL w/ launcher in action...



Great pics!!
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Old November 23, 2010, 21:11   #4
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Re: Izzy's in action (photos)

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After seeing the thread on SUIT Trilux scopes and whether if any had ever been actually mounted on an Israeli FAL I went through several pictures I had been collecting. None show a SUIT, or any scope for that matter, but I thought some might enjoy seeing these pictures of Israeli FAL's in action...

Do you have any pictures of Izzy FAL's to add?
Got started into FAL's about 1996 when a buddy of mine asked me to translate a Israeli Trilux instruction manual for him. Saw the rifle and fell in love. Israeli Trilux's exist and I suspect were used, just no pictures.
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Old November 23, 2010, 22:19   #5
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Typically the Israeli's used Leather Mauser type slings on their rifles including the FAL. Certainly the fittings look to be the metal adjuster of a Mauser sling.
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Old November 23, 2010, 23:24   #6
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At last, a pic of the FAL w/ launcher in action...
IronHand.. I want your rifle! Here is a picture with a rocket. Can anyone identify the location or the year?

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Old November 23, 2010, 23:40   #7
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Old November 23, 2010, 23:52   #8
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Makes me want a wood stock for my UZI to match my Fals. Should have bought one years ago.
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Makes me want a wood stock for my UZI to match my Fals. Should have bought one years ago.
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Old November 24, 2010, 00:59   #11
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kit W looks good if its a ratchet cover. Thanks!!
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Question

Question on the 5th picture down from the top in the original post.

It is the one with the guys sitting on top of an APC.

To identify the pic, when looking at the pic, on the far right is a M2.

Again, when looking at the pic, on the far left, just left of the kid putting his thumb up, is a something...mounted on a pedestal.

It looks like maybe it is a weapon mount, left empty and angled up,, or maybe some sort of LAW/rocket?

Help satisfy my curiousity, if you know.

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Old November 28, 2010, 18:39   #13
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These look like "6 day war" pictures. My next project is a Izzy LB. I feel better about building on a Argie open ear lugged barrel. This will pair up with my open ear Izzy HB. What do you think?
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All the pictures are from either the Six Day or Yom Kippur wars. The 1st set has some information if you look at the pictures link, ie: "YK_Suez_City.jpg".

Ronnymi, thanks for the Israeli HB, I'm lovin it! I may have to try and build a LB as my next rifle.
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What came first, open ear gas blocks or closed ear? Approx. when was the changeover? My rifle is built from a 3/67 kit and has the solid ears and no muzzle threads.
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Does anyone know if that web gear is still available?
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Old November 30, 2010, 16:03   #17
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What came first, open ear gas blocks or closed ear? Approx. when was the changeover? My rifle is built from a 3/67 kit and has the solid ears and no muzzle threads.
The Israelis adopted the FAL in it's very early form, including the early breech threads which were retained throughout their service. The open ear gas blocks were of type A config, as was the rest of the gas system.
The closed ear gas blocks were strictly Israeli production, and were phased in over a period of time as spares/rebuild components, and later on complete rifles that Israel assembled ( I don't believe they ever manufactured complete, all Israeli rifles or even each and every component, but did make many parts and assembled complete rifles from Belgian and domestically made parts).
I don't think that there is any exact cut-off date as there were new, Belgian open ear blocks and barrelsin Israeli inventory even when the fAL was finally phased out and surplused.

BTW, great thread Did anyone else note the seemingly high numbers of FALOs present ?
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question

Question on the 5th picture down from the top in the original post.

It is the one with the guys sitting on top of an APC.

To identify the pic, when looking at the pic, on the far right is a M2.

Again, when looking at the pic, on the far left, just left of the kid putting his thumb up, is a something...mounted on a pedestal.

It looks like maybe it is a weapon mount, left empty and angled up,, or maybe some sort of LAW/rocket?

Help satisfy my curiousity, if you know.

Thanks,

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It looks like a M2, 50 cal isolator mount.
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Not sure what an isolator mount is. Google fu failed me.

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Re: question

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Question on the 5th picture down from the top in the original post.

It is the one with the guys sitting on top of an APC.

To identify the pic, when looking at the pic, on the far right is a M2.

Again, when looking at the pic, on the far left, just left of the kid putting his thumb up, is a something...mounted on a pedestal.

It looks like maybe it is a weapon mount, left empty and angled up,, or maybe some sort of LAW/rocket?

Help satisfy my curiousity, if you know.

Thanks,

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It looks like a M2, 50 cal isolator mount.


I don't know. Maybe a 60mm mortar?
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Old December 13, 2010, 23:34   #21
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IronHand.. I want your rifle! Here is a picture with a rocket. Can anyone identify the location or the year?


Looks like the Wailing Wall, maybe. If it is then it would have been taken during the 6-Day War, right?
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Old December 14, 2010, 10:22   #22
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Its easy to say "no earlier than". Lot harder to say "no later than" , because of Israel's propensity to use equipment for long time and pass to reservists a kibbutniks obsoleted gear.

The French Lizard camo was typical of Sayeret Tzankhanim, however also used by Sayeret Golani and there are plenty of images of both units in plain OD.

I have photos of the recon paras using the FAL as a grenade launcher into 1970s (Shedwan Island) and the Yom Kippur War (China Farm) , but their load carrying gear had changed to the vest from the izzy-produced canvas gear and 1937 pack of general british style (flap and loop). Except that doesn't mean everybody had to switch, only that some more modern load carrying was available in 1970 , which makes me think 1967 for this photo.

Just about every photo above comes from the IDF Archives (why is uzitalk claiming them?) - I wrote extensively on the evolution of the antitank guided missile and how it changed the nature of armored warfare from a technological and tactical perspective, using Israel as an example. Then did the same for the SAM. So at one time had a pretty extensive research library on the IDF and most of these photos are very familiar.
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Old October 20, 2011, 15:13   #23
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Bump for the Israeli rifle lovers here...
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Old October 20, 2011, 15:25   #24
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A small piece of the 6-Day War in middle TN...
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When did the light rifle with the non-lugged barrel and Belgian hider start?
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Looks like the Wailing Wall, maybe. If it is then it would have been taken during the 6-Day War, right?
Yes and yes.

Looks like French 47/5x pattern camo fatigues, too. Neat. Israel got a lot of stuff from France in the '60's.
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When did the light rifle with the non-lugged barrel and Belgian hider start?
Anyone? All these pics have lugged barrels and no flash hider???

Or is the flash hider just something we did or they did
to the rifles imported here?

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Anyone? All these pics have lugged barrels and no flash hider???

Or is the flash hider just something we did or they did
to the rifles imported here?

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As the rifles were used, and the lugged barrels worn out, they were replaced with the closed eared gas blocks and Belgian combo style flash hiders. Izzies come from the school of "if it aint broke, dont fix it". So you would see a mix of versions over time.
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Cool thread!! I know it's not in action, but could be in a moments notice!




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As the rifles were used, and the lugged barrels worn out, they were replaced with the closed eared gas blocks and Belgian combo style flash hiders. Izzies come from the school of "if it aint broke, dont fix it". So you would see a mix of versions over time.
Thank you! So were the replacement barrels made there in Israel?
Or just a replacement from Belgium or elsewhere?

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Thank you! So were the replacement barrels made there in Israel?
Or just a replacement from Belgium or elsewhere?

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I honestly dont know. It's been a long time since I sold my Izzy HB, and I havent had my hands on enough late model rifles to see for sure.
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Cool thread!! I know it's not in action, but could be in a moments notice!




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I keep telling myself "no more FAL's", but an Israeli light barrel might just find its way to me dirty little mitts.

Is there a good sight detailing the equipment used by the IDF over the years? I can identify the French stuff, but the rest is unbeknownst to me.
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Israeli made top cover mount

adding to this old post

ever have problem in putting your sight on the Israeli fal

the rear sight is tall and the suit sight on a flat mount top cover will not go on

Israel did make a top cover mount for this here is mine



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Got started into FAL's about 1996 when a buddy of mine asked me to translate a Israeli Trilux instruction manual for him. Saw the rifle and fell in love. Israeli Trilux's exist and I suspect were used, just no pictures.
Here is one. maybe NOT in action, but very nice original condition...





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I know it is an old question from Buster, but the item in question is a British 2" mortar in a pedestal mount. They were mostly used for smoke and flares by this time, but a HE round was available.

For reference, this guy had one for sale with the complete set:http://cannonsuperstore.com/mortars.htm

In post #9, picture 2, you can see a soldier carrying two of the mortar round tube carriers and a little way behind him is a soldier with the "Paratroop" version of the Mortar over his right shoulder.
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The 'Hebrew Hammer'in Action..

A bunch of us from another board had a shoot last weekend, and here is one of the attendees(not me) shooting my Izzy.





I had to file the #4 front sight post down to get the elevation correct on the new barrel. It now has sufficient adjustment of 10 clicks before bottoming-out. I'm using the old turned-down post from The Hammer's old barrel, as the stock Izzy piece is just way too thick. It's dead-on and ridiculously accurate now with Australian ball ammo!

I traded for a pile of FAL mags a few weeks ago so they all were given a run-through. Out of 16 mags only 1 bad one was found, and it will get repaired soon. The feed lips will let a round on the left side pop out and the cartridges will not pop up in the rear fast enough to get picked up by the bolt 50% of the time. All the rest, the Belgian, German, converted Inch, and even the old E2X1 mag, all functioned flawlessly.


It was a great way to spend a Saturday...

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