Is this a re-welded receiver?

wkendwarrior2003 · January 12, 2013, 20:27

Looks like it might be one to me...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=325752036

Looks weird as hell around the magwell, "warped" looking...also can't tell if that is a "9/58" or "9/68" but either way far too old to be a commercial FMP import. This one also says "G3" and not "G3s" or "XG3S" like the PARS semi-auto imports had over the magwell.

Am I wrong?

**John Crusher** · January 12, 2013, 20:52

It looks like the result of an oob to me. The back of the bolt would be there if in battery and too close of a gap would/could cause a problem.

**gska3873** · January 12, 2013, 21:08

It has definitely had something not good happen to it. You can see the "seam" from being welded back together or from deformation inside the receiver in picture number 4.

**BlackgunCO** · January 13, 2013, 12:34

Looks like it is a reweld to me. probably from an old parts kit with single saw cut to receiver? Crazy how the serial has a number Xed out and restamped.

**Falcon** · January 13, 2013, 13:55

Saw that on THR a while ago,the seller eventually dropped his price to $1200.. Hopefully, for all the potential parties involved,the paddle mag release isn't using the same hole as an FA trigger pack or vice versa....although once an MG always an MG.

**phillyray** · January 13, 2013, 14:58

shooter56 · January 13, 2013, 17:43

And a crappy job at that.......

**Sampson1986** · January 13, 2013, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon

Saw that on THR a while ago,the seller eventually dropped his price to $1200.. Hopefully, for all the potential parties involved,the paddle mag release isn't using the same hole as an FA trigger pack or vice versa....although once an MG always an MG.

If it was rewelded from a parts kit, I wouldn't be surprised...seems like the ATF would be watching this one closely. They seem to pick up on situations like this.

...

I love the G3 more than any other rifle - but I wouldn't touch that piece of dookie. Somebody should have his ass kicked.

**black sheep** · January 16, 2013, 16:20

I for one am comforted that we are helping the boys by showcasing things such as this....

etg · January 21, 2013, 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon

Saw that on THR a while ago,the seller eventually dropped his price to $1200.. Hopefully, for all the potential parties involved,the paddle mag release isn't using the same hole as an FA trigger pack or vice versa....although once an MG always an MG.

I would bet money it is a reweld. The weld/blemish area is right where they used to saw cut the receivers. Once the reciver is cut to ATF specifications it is considered scrap metal. You can convert the receiver piece to semi auto configuration prior to rewelding and not make a machine gun. This is how the MG42s/3s, Brens and other kits are built (it has to be to ATF specs for a semi auto - not just plug the holes). The trunnion and bolt handle the high pressures. If the weld cracked the rifle would jam not blow up. I sure wouldn't buy the gun but I wouldn't be afraid to shoot it if the bolt gap was within spec. I do feel sorry for the person who bought it. Also, to be legal it would have to have the builder name, location, and a serial number stamped or etched in the receiver.

sld · January 21, 2013, 00:49

I thought the lowers had to have the front section cut off?

justashooter · January 21, 2013, 07:29

surely a reweld to original front. nothing more than i have done with several milled and stamped AK. in several cases the kits had good front and rear, so i just welded in a center section of sheet metal. nothing wrong with the thinking or legal wise.

JasonB · January 21, 2013, 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by black sheep

I for one am comforted that we are helping the boys by showcasing things such as this....

The seller likely knows what they are selling.

ptoguy · January 21, 2013, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonB

The seller likely knows what they are selling.

Yeah, and he doesn't say it.
Obviously a reweld, looks like a Rhodi kit, RA number on right side, straight tube, and what looks like pitting on the side of the receiver.

**gunplumber** · January 22, 2013, 08:47

It had better be a reweld. Otherwise it is contraband and felony possession for a removed/defaced/altered serial number. But if it is a reweld, then maybe that front fake pushpin is not a fake pushpin making it still contraband. Some people are just stupid.

**BlackgunCO** · January 22, 2013, 10:06

Seems that it sold and then was relisted? Seems pretty flaky at best.

ByrnieMac · January 23, 2013, 07:50

hmm.. sold for the BIN price of $1,800 on the first bid then relisted...

With that boogered up receiver and sketchy SN...

I wouldn't give the guy $100 for it in fear of being arrested or getting killed trying to shoot it

V guy · January 23, 2013, 11:46

Yeah, it is a reweld for sure. Crappy job. He saved the hassle of pressing the bbl out of the trunnion and all the other related problems.
Should be good to go, as long as the front half was still in spec.

Problem is that it is just like an HK flat you press and mfg at home........for your use only.

As said, AK's have been put together the same way.

I would say that the only way to sell that gun legally, is to demill it once more and sell it as a parts kit. Let the next guy reweld it again.

January 12, 2013, 20:27	#1
wkendwarrior2003 Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 20374 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 888	Is this a re-welded receiver? Looks like it might be one to me... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=325752036 Looks weird as hell around the magwell, "warped" looking...also can't tell if that is a "9/58" or "9/68" but either way far too old to be a commercial FMP import. This one also says "G3" and not "G3s" or "XG3S" like the PARS semi-auto imports had over the magwell. Am I wrong?

January 12, 2013, 20:52	#2
John Crusher Senior Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 18663 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 935	It looks like the result of an oob to me. The back of the bolt would be there if in battery and too close of a gap would/could cause a problem. __________________ Vigilance in Living Counteracts Stupidity in Dying.

January 13, 2013, 13:55	#5
Falcon FAL Cognoscenti Contributor FALaholic #: 2049 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,771	Saw that on THR a while ago,the seller eventually dropped his price to $1200.. Hopefully, for all the potential parties involved,the paddle mag release isn't using the same hole as an FA trigger pack or vice versa....although once an MG always an MG. __________________ Nicht Amboss Sondern Hammer

January 13, 2013, 17:43	#7
shooter56 Lets stand together Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 19313 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: connecticut the unconstitutional state Posts: 408	And a crappy job at that....... __________________ Pat The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.____Thomas Jefferson "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe." Noah Webster

January 16, 2013, 16:20	#9
black sheep Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 6667 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: MIDWEST Posts: 246	I for one am comforted that we are helping the boys by showcasing things such as this.... __________________ live free or die trying!!!!!!!!!! ISLAM: The NEW NAZI

January 12, 2013, 21:08	#3
gska3873 Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 30923 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 374	It has definitely had something not good happen to it. You can see the "seam" from being welded back together or from deformation inside the receiver in picture number 4.

January 13, 2013, 12:34	#4
BlackgunCO Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 64915 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western Slope, CO Posts: 1,552	Looks like it is a reweld to me. probably from an old parts kit with single saw cut to receiver? Crazy how the serial has a number Xed out and restamped.

January 13, 2013, 14:58	#6
phillyray Veteran Member Contributor FALaholic #: 43105 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Charlotte Posts: 1,542

January 21, 2013, 00:49	#11
sld Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 32312 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: texas Posts: 833	I thought the lowers had to have the front section cut off?

January 21, 2013, 07:29	#12
justashooter Registered FALaholic #: 5967 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: york, pa. Posts: 4,503	surely a reweld to original front. nothing more than i have done with several milled and stamped AK. in several cases the kits had good front and rear, so i just welded in a center section of sheet metal. nothing wrong with the thinking or legal wise. __________________ If the concept of heading on down to the local Home Depot and transforming $100 worth of random pipe bits into a killing machine doesn’t appeal to you, you’re a frikkin' pansy. Also, you’re probably sane and will live significantly longer than I will. Nonetheless you disgust me, and I take comfort in the knowledge that your obituary will be nowhere near as humorous as mine. The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same. Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?" "In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad." "But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Max. "You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."

January 22, 2013, 08:47	#15
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 15,779	It had better be a reweld. Otherwise it is contraband and felony possession for a removed/defaced/altered serial number. But if it is a reweld, then maybe that front fake pushpin is not a fake pushpin making it still contraband. Some people are just stupid. __________________ T. Mark Graham Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

January 22, 2013, 10:06	#16
BlackgunCO Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 64915 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western Slope, CO Posts: 1,552	Seems that it sold and then was relisted? Seems pretty flaky at best.

January 23, 2013, 07:50	#17
ByrnieMac Registered FALaholic #: 64363 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 297	hmm.. sold for the BIN price of $1,800 on the first bid then relisted... With that boogered up receiver and sketchy SN... I wouldn't give the guy $100 for it in fear of being arrested or getting killed trying to shoot it __________________ grunt (n.) [gruhnt] - term of affection for that tired, filty, thirsty, hungry, footsore, ripped-trousered, camoflauge-painted, lean, mean son of a bitch who has kept the wolf away from the door for over two hundred years

January 23, 2013, 11:46	#18
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,230	Yeah, it is a reweld for sure. Crappy job. He saved the hassle of pressing the bbl out of the trunnion and all the other related problems. Should be good to go, as long as the front half was still in spec. Problem is that it is just like an HK flat you press and mfg at home........for your use only. As said, AK's have been put together the same way. I would say that the only way to sell that gun legally, is to demill it once more and sell it as a parts kit. Let the next guy reweld it again.

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